Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
I wouldn't be shocked if we flip #31 or #34 for a 2014 first rounder and a 3rd rounder or something like that.
I hope so, would be nice if we got the top pick next year and got Clowney
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Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
I wouldn't be shocked if we flip #31 or #34 for a 2014 first rounder and a 3rd rounder or something like that.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
One consideration with trades is finding a partner willing to give up picks in the second to third rounds in this rich draft.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Of course you have to consider where the team you're trading with will likely finish in the coming season, which I think is why we gave up what we did for the Carolina pick . . . a high 2nd and a 4th for what turned into the 17th overall
Yeah but remember that Carolina went on a late season tear and it could have resulted in even worse draft position. Originally people were expecting a Top 10 pick easy and that didn't happen. Its tough to predict where pretty much any team will end up in a given year.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
That all depends on what position you're looking for. If you need a safety, then this is a damn good draft to need a safety. But for teams looking at a QB, trading up into the late 1st to guarantee they get the guy they want could be very tempting. I think there will be quite a run on QB's in the late 1st/early 2nd and the 49ers are well positioned to add a very high 4th round pick along with the second round pick they utilize, that additional pick can be turned into a quality player at a position of need such as safety, wide receiver, cornerback, tackle or tight-end.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
I believe it's easier to trade up into the first round this year if you are willing to give up multiple second round picks. If the mid to high first round team needs a safety or DL then they may trade. If they need a QB then it becomes a matter of their preference...not much to pick from. Even WR is iffy at the top. There just aren't many can't miss impact players in the draft. Trading for more second round choices would be more difficult because that seems to be where the value is.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
There will always be players that somebody values highly enough to trade up for....it happens every year. This year I can see it happening with QB's and guys like Manuel, Barkley, Nassib.....etc.
You're looking at it from a general perspective, yes the depth of this draft is in the 2nd or 3rd rounds but if you're the Jets and you think Jacksonville will take EJ Manuel in front of you, you've got a lot of motivation to trade up. It only takes one team for this to happen.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
I would be. Nobody really does that.
This. Moving a 1st rounder or a near 1st rounder into what may turn out to be a late 1st rounder next year for all anyone knows doesn't make a lot of sense.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by fryet:
I don't see any reason for trading out of the 1st for more picks in the 2nd through 4th. If we trade out of the first, I would expect it to be for future year picks. We already have 5 in the top 3 for this draft, and 13 overall. Getting even more picks this year won't help us.
Sure it would. This team is coming off a Superbowl appearance and they have multiple needs all across the board. Picks next year are nice, but picks next year won't help you win games in 2013 or further develop as players to help you win in 2014.
Just looking at the needs this team could use depth at
DE
NT
FS
SS
WR
TE
OLB
OT
If you can knock out say 6 or 7 of those in the first 4 rounds, why not trade down?
Originally posted by fryet:
Your strategy treats the late round picks as worthless. They do hold value, and I wouldn't follow a draft strategy that picks players that have next to no change to make the team. Also, since we would have a hard time finding space for 13 picks to make our roster, imo it makes more sense to either combine picks to move up this year (into the sweet spot 2nd to 4th rounds that everyone is talking about), or trade them into future year picks. We have a fair number of high priced free agents that may leave in the next 2 years, so I think it would be prudent to have more picks in future years so that we have more flexibility dealing with any open holes in our roster.
I would not want to trade a quality 1st round pick to get more picks this year that would be of slightly lower quality, plus basically ensures that our lower picks don't have any chance to make the team.