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Trade up for Tyler Eifert?

  • mayo49
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Just sit at 31 and take Ertz and take the drama out of it.
  • RedAu
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Originally posted by tjd808185:
The problem with that type of thinking is Justin Smith is a special player and you just can't find one in the draft every year.

If you want another Ray McDonald we can get that, but good luck getting the next Justin Smith. We have just as good of a shot as landing the next Calvin Johnson.

Agreed. But we need D-Line depth anyway, in a bad way. I wrote in another thread that niner D allowed 6 TDs in first 13 games and 19 TDs in final 6. Mostly do to the Smiths injuries. This is where we need immediate help, especially now that we lost depth to FA. TE and WR are luxury picks for us, I agree with tatdwolf.

If TE is the absolute best PA at 31, Id be dissapointed if we pick that position, but so be it. Trading up for a TE#2 makes no sense tho.
NO,, this is an important draft for us, and Im not with all this trading up/trading picks stuff. We need to stay put and gain quality depth. Besides, there are other guys that fit the bill at TE we can just stay put and get. If we trade up and get Eifert, now there's pressure to start/use him and we have Davis locking down the position for at least 3 more yrs..
Originally posted by toppdogg32:
NO,, this is an important draft for us, and Im not with all this trading up/trading picks stuff. We need to stay put and gain quality depth. Besides, there are other guys that fit the bill at TE we can just stay put and get. If we trade up and get Eifert, now there's pressure to start/use him and we have Davis locking down the position for at least 3 more yrs..

We'll have to trade up, cannot afford 13 picks on salary cap and there are possibly some top picks that might get taken just before 31.

Tyler Eifert possibly at 30
Sylvester Williams late twenties
De'andre Hopkins late 20's

All 3 of those would peg us as SB champs immediately. And we could easily afford to get them with picks left over for secondary and depth elsewhere
Originally posted by toppdogg32:
NO,, this is an important draft for us, and Im not with all this trading up/trading picks stuff. We need to stay put and gain quality depth. Besides, there are other guys that fit the bill at TE we can just stay put and get. If we trade up and get Eifert, now there's pressure to start/use him and we have Davis locking down the position for at least 3 more yrs..

why do you feel he would be underutilized in our TE-heavy offense? Did Delanie Walker not get used much last year?

We have a ton of picks. I think we can hop up a short ways on a trade or two and still fill in plenty for depth.
Originally posted by Garcia:
zack ertz > tyler eifert

he is not... eifert is a stud... Ertz is ok thats a big difference
I don't dislike Ertz he is solid, there's just no way I'd take him at 31 or 34. Would I take him at 61? Definitely. That Escobar kid is intriguing to me, could be a steal if we got him in the 3rd round.
I'm torn on the idea of moving up in this draft, period. On one hand, we have more picks than can make the roster. On the other, I don't feel the talent difference between 15 and 31 is really that big. A jump to 29 wouldn't be bad, I guess.
Originally I was dead set against drafting Ertz or Eifert but what has me worried is the Spy vs. Spy activity we have going against Seattle. We know that Carroll has built the Hawks to beat the Niners. So how do you go about beating the Hawks with their stellar cornerbacks? The answer is to exploit the middle. Earl Thomas is a great safety but he's short. Seattle's linebackers are the weakest link to their defense.

Having two stud TEs allows us to work the middle of the field to gain the competitve edge.

Aside from trying to gain the upper hand against the Hawks, would our top picks be better used taking defensive line or safety help? Yes. But would having a 6'6" Eifert help our offensive cause? Absolutely!

This is a tough call. In the end, I still say draft defense and don't worry about Seattle as they haven't proven anything yet. Thoughts?
[ Edited by pete98146 on Apr 12, 2013 at 3:10 PM ]
Originally posted by pete98146:
Originally I was dead set against drafting Ertz or Eifert but what has me worried is the Spy vs. Spy activity we have going against Seattle. We know that Carroll has built the Hawks to beat the Niners. So how do you go about beating the Hawks with their stellar cornerbacks? The answer is to exploit the middle. Earl Thomas is a great safety but he's short. Seattle's linebackers are the weakest link to their defense.

Having two stud TEs allows us to work the middle of the field to gain the competitve edge.

Aside from trying to gain the upper hand against the Hawks, would our top picks be better used taking defensive line or safety help? Yes. But would having a 6'6" Eifert help our offensive cause? Absolutely!

This is a tough call. In the end, I still say draft defense and don't worry about Seattle as they haven't proven anything yet. Thoughts?

My thoughts are.. we can do both! Draft a stud TE to abuse teams over the middle AND draft defense to upgrade. Fortunately, we have the draft firepower to have our cake and eat that mutha too.
I wouldn't trade up for any player in this draft unless it is Star Lotulelie or someone with top 10 projection that somehow falls past 15-20 then i'd move up.
Originally posted by RedAu:
Agreed. But we need D-Line depth anyway, in a bad way. I wrote in another thread that niner D allowed 6 TDs in first 13 games and 19 TDs in final 6. Mostly do to the Smiths injuries. This is where we need immediate help, especially now that we lost depth to FA. TE and WR are luxury picks for us, I agree with tatdwolf.

If TE is the absolute best PA at 31, Id be dissapointed if we pick that position, but so be it. Trading up for a TE#2 makes no sense tho.

1st round picks aren't meant for depth though. You need someone whose going to take over for Justin and frankly I'm not seeing that prospect. Maybe it's Datone Jones, and I wouldn't be mad if we took him.

We used Delanie on 55% of our offensive plays last year. I don't think drafting a tight end high is a necessity but I think we could do worse. The way I see it though if we get Jessie Williams in the 2nd he can play multiple positions on the line. The same goes with Dorsey.
To me, Eifert is going to be a stud in the NFL, but the team has some major needs in other areas. Expect a mid-late rounder at TE. Lucas Reed of New Mexico is a guy I could see on the roster in 2013.
[ Edited by MadDog49er on Apr 12, 2013 at 7:46 PM ]
we have a need at Safety and NT on D. I think we could go BPA(Eifert) at 31(or 29) and 34 pick a safety which theyre will be plenty to choose from. Then late 2nd rd we could definitely find an anchor for the Dline. Also, you guys remember when VD went out of the Seattle game....our offense really struggled..with Eifert I think we wouldn't have to worry about that happening. Also Harbaugh and Roman love using 2 TE sets why not give them 2 of the best TEs in the league? To me this is a no brainer, Delanie was a huge piece to what we did as an offense and if we want to continue to compete at a championship level i think we need to invest in weapons especially through the draft knowing that we're going to break the bank resigning Kap and Aldon after this season.
I'm all for moving up but not for a tight end. There is so much depth this year at tight end. Is there a huge difference between Eifert and Kelce? I do not believe so, at least not giving up a 3rd round pick to move 5-8 spots up to get him. I believe Celek and Boldin can take over in some of Delanie's roles this year anyway. Boldin is a great blocker and Celek has some great hands, along with being a decent blocker. And yes, I know Boldin is a wide receiver but I've been saying since day 1 that he can be a great weapon in Delanie's spot in the pistol.