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Honey Badger at the FS position??

Originally posted by Rascal:
Yes, that's true. But, I figure the 9ers don't want to be completely mean, they weren't committed to him so why ruin his big pay day ? Afterall, Dashon had contributed a lot to the team and well-liked by many in the locker room.

Personally ? I think it was a mistake to let him go. We could have cut Whitner and Rogers in order to keep him, then replaced by drafting at least 1 high DB draft such as Reid or Amerson. Could you imagine if we had a safety tandem in Dashon + Reid / Amerson in the backfield ?! Wow !! But, hey could have, would have, is all history now. Just too bad.

You're thinking short-term....not long-term. Long-term, Whitner and Rogers won't be around either. The bottomline is that the 49ers couldn't afford to allocate $8 million a year at the safety spot.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
You're thinking short-term....not long-term. Long-term, Whitner and Rogers won't be around either. The bottomline is that the 49ers couldn't afford to allocate $8 million a year at the safety spot.


You mean you are suggesting Whitner and Rogers will be cut before the season ?
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
You're thinking short-term....not long-term. Long-term, Whitner and Rogers won't be around either. The bottomline is that the 49ers couldn't afford to allocate $8 million a year at the safety spot.


But, hey, Anthony Davis ain't exactly cheap neither at $7 mil as an OT.
Originally posted by Rascal:
You mean you are suggesting Whitner and Rogers will be cut before the season ?

I meant....if they re-signed Goldson, it wouldn't be for a year or two..it would be a four or five year commitment. I don't see Rogers or Whitner around for the start of the 2014 season. Long-term that will result in open cap space that wouldn't be there otherwise had they re-signed Goldson.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Apr 7, 2013 at 10:40 PM ]
Originally posted by Rascal:
But, hey, Anthony Davis ain't exactly cheap neither at $7 mil as an OT.

It all depends on what they value, clearly they didn't value Goldson at that salary. They won't be able to re-sign every single player, no matter how well they perform, Goldson won't be the last one to not get re-signed. The important thing is how they respond and the players they select to replace those that they lost.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I meant....if they re-signed Goldson, it wouldn't be for a year or two..it would be a four or five year commitment. I don't see Rogers or Whitner around for the start of the 2014 season. Long-term that will result in open cap space that wouldn't be there otherwise had they re-signed Goldson.


But, I don't get how I am being short-termed. I am suggesting cut Whitner and Rogers right now who are not great and not exactly young. All I am doing is keeping 1 star safety in Dashon who is in the prime of his career. Then, you bring in 1 high DB draft plus another guy from a lower round. You will have 1 rookie safety to learn from Dashon and 1 rookie corner to learn from Asomugha. Is that short-termed ? If the cap really becomes an issue later on, 1) you can try to re-negotiate and 2) you can even let him go as a last resort once Reid or whoever is going to be is fully up to speed.
Originally posted by maxsmart:
Under-sized? Yes
Athletic? No
Hard hitter? Yes
Good pass defender? No
Drug addict? Maybe
Cool nickname? Yes
Over-rated? YES

Really he's an undersized strong safety, rather than a great pass defender.
Maybe OK pick in 4th rd

Wow, he's not athletic? So he was a heisman finalist because he's small, hits hard, has a cool name and is overrated? Did you ever see him play?
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This is what iI'v been saying since he busted onto the scene at LSU!! I can see him as the perfect ballhawk for our defense. He is better when he sees the play develop in front of him, so why not line him up 12-15 yards back and let him be our Earl Thomas.
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No thanks to Honey Badger period!!!

I'd never want a 5'8" Safety playing center field. Maybe in the Ivy League but not in the Pro's.
I don't understand the Mathieu infatuation, whatsoever. He's small, he's not as fast as you'd like a 5'9 guy to be, he's not strong, he didn't finish in the top 5 of any of the combine agility drills, he's been out of football for a full year...

Do people really expect all of his college play making ability to translate to the NFL without that other stuff being exposed?
Not only is he only 5'9", may I remind you about his impressive bench press performance at the Combine, a massive 4 reps !! Is that even a joke ?! 4 reps ?! That's it ?! Come off it.

As most Italians would say "forget about it' !! LOL.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
No thanks to Honey Badger period!!!

I'd never want a 5'8" Safety playing center field. Maybe in the Ivy League but not in the Pro's.


Maybe Bob Sanders a few years ago
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I meant....if they re-signed Goldson, it wouldn't be for a year or two..it would be a four or five year commitment. I don't see Rogers or Whitner around for the start of the 2014 season. Long-term that will result in open cap space that wouldn't be there otherwise had they re-signed Goldson.


But, I don't get how I am being short-termed. I am suggesting cut Whitner and Rogers right now who are not great and not exactly young. All I am doing is keeping 1 star safety in Dashon who is in the prime of his career. Then, you bring in 1 high DB draft plus another guy from a lower round. You will have 1 rookie safety to learn from Dashon and 1 rookie corner to learn from Asomugha. Is that short-termed ? If the cap really becomes an issue later on, 1) you can try to re-negotiate and 2) you can even let him go as a last resort once Reid or whoever is going to be is fully up to speed.

Stop hijacking threads, dude. It's an interesting argument, but it doesn't belong here.

I don't like Tyrann at FS in an NFL where you can't drill TEs and Wars on virtical seam routes anymore. The only way to do defend those jump balls on th hash marks is to jump with them, and dude won't be as to run all over the field with a step ladder. We already have a midget SS. We'd be completely vulnerable in the middle of the field w/Mathieu at the other safety spot, IMO.
How many 5-7 FS do you see in the NFL...zero. There's a reason for that...as the last bastion of the defense, you have to defend against big WR's, TE's, RB's, whoever comes in your territory. Those of you who're banging the gong for him to play FS are really dreaming. I wouldn't mind if Baalke drafted him...but only after he's taken a true FS and a big CB.
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
How many 5-7 FS do you see in the NFL...zero. There's a reason for that...as the last bastion of the defense, you have to defend against big WR's, TE's, RB's, whoever comes in your territory. Those of you who're banging the gong for him to play FS are really dreaming. I wouldn't mind if Baalke drafted him...but only after he's taken a true FS and a big CB.

Over the course of this thread, Mathieu has gone from his measured height of 5'9" down to 5'8" and now to 5'7".

Given the rate at which he's shrinking, I say we pass.
[ Edited by JamesGatz83 on Apr 8, 2013 at 1:31 PM ]