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John Jenkins has dropped almost 40 pounds since the season ended.

sounds like this guy has weight issues. When people lose that much weight it is incredibly easy for them to gain it back so it is a risky pick with any 1st or 2nd. If we don't have DT by the 3rd round I would pull the trigger tho but If I was harbaugh I would make sure that this guy is motivated and has good work ethic
Originally posted by JustinNiner:
sounds like this guy has weight issues. When people lose that much weight it is incredibly easy for them to gain it back so it is a risky pick with any 1st or 2nd. If we don't have DT by the 3rd round I would pull the trigger tho but If I was harbaugh I would make sure that this guy is motivated and has good work ethic

In the NFL he will have all the diet specialists and trainers he needs to stay fit. wont be an issue.
Question: How much of Sopoaga not playing many of the snaps have to do with the nickel defense and how much of it has to do with poor performance from Isaac? Some of the better NT's don't come off the field nearly that often, even on passing downs.
Meh
If we draft him and he fails, we might have to steer away from any jenkins in the first round
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Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by JustinNiner:
sounds like this guy has weight issues. When people lose that much weight it is incredibly easy for them to gain it back so it is a risky pick with any 1st or 2nd. If we don't have DT by the 3rd round I would pull the trigger tho but If I was harbaugh I would make sure that this guy is motivated and has good work ethic

In the NFL he will have all the diet specialists and trainers he needs to stay fit. wont be an issue.

Not an issue? This guy has had a pretty good idea for the last 2 years that he has a chance to play in the NFL. He has been playing at a top-flight SEC school where I'm sure he has state of the art equipment and resources to stay healthy.

He has had the license as well as plenty of motivation to slim down years ago. The fact that he is only now getting in shape is concerning to me. I would much rather draft a guy like John Hankins (who began his OSU career at 380 lbs.) or Sylvester Williams (was nearly 400 lbs. in H.S.) who comitted to getting in shape a long time ago than a guy who drops a bunch of weight at the last minute because he sees the light (and $) at the end of the tunnel.
If I'm Baalke/Harbaugh, I see a red flag with this guy...good he lost the weight...bad he had to. Agree, he could be a beast in the middle...but, is that the right player to draft? I say no...mainly because there are a number of more versatile DL who could give Fangio considerably more flexibility. I've heard varying stats...that we play hybrid 60% of the time, etc. Whatever the real number is, it's the trend in the NFL. That said, why draft a NT who'll most likely only play that position 40% of the time. Doesn't pass the common sense test to me. For years, the Giants have had deep, talented DL's. That should be Baalke's goal...to upgrade his DL with big, versatile players. He's already signed Dorsey, who can play both DE and DT/NT. So, keep that going and draft one of the Williams' (Jesse or Sly), Jones, or Short. With the added size/talent, our starters can reduce the number of snaps they play and avoid a late-season decline. With Ian Williams and Dorsey already on board, get another big who can play anywhere...much more bang for the buck than a "pure" NT.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Georgia had him listed in the 350s, he claims that in all reality he was closer to 370. He weighed in at 343 at the Combine but supposedly weighs around 332 right now.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/06/georgias-john-jenkins-drops-38-pounds-down-to-332/


If he can continually stay under 340 pounds, with his outstanding athleticism, he could really be an effective player in the NFL.

Hey! He weighs less than Pablo Sandoval....
I feel the same about him as I did about Terrance Cody, their weight fluctuates too much, even though they have significant size and athleticism. But I guess Tomsula would have his way with him.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Yea i dont get it. If your never going to try to address the NT position with a solid NT prospect that fits firmly into that roll, than there really is no reason to run the 3-4 IMO.

I agree. This whole idea of "oh, let's just draft any defensive lineman and we can plug and play him anywhere" is absolutely asinine. Nobody talks about any other position like that. Can you imagine a team building an offensive line by saying "f**k it, just grab 5 big guys, doesn't matter who they are, we'll be good to go." It absolutely makes sense, if you're not trying to obtain a quality NT, then you might as well stop running the 3-4 at all. NT IS the most important position in a 3-4 defense, the centerpiece that helps put it all together, not sure why some have gotten it into their heads that it is any less important than other positions on the defense.

Yes because we have struggled to stop the run in our base defense in recent years :-/ we do just fine with "band aids" playing NT which is the reason we have not addressed that position with urgent need. If we weren't a top 10 run defense, I'd see your point but we just set a record for consecutive games without allowing a rushing TD recently lol we are in our base 3-4 about 30% of the time, Williams can handle that easily. We need more depth (later rounds) and penetrating lineman (early rounds)
Originally posted by kush:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by JustinNiner:
sounds like this guy has weight issues. When people lose that much weight it is incredibly easy for them to gain it back so it is a risky pick with any 1st or 2nd. If we don't have DT by the 3rd round I would pull the trigger tho but If I was harbaugh I would make sure that this guy is motivated and has good work ethic

In the NFL he will have all the diet specialists and trainers he needs to stay fit. wont be an issue.

Not an issue? This guy has had a pretty good idea for the last 2 years that he has a chance to play in the NFL. He has been playing at a top-flight SEC school where I'm sure he has state of the art equipment and resources to stay healthy.

He has had the license as well as plenty of motivation to slim down years ago. The fact that he is only now getting in shape is concerning to me. I would much rather draft a guy like John Hankins (who began his OSU career at 380 lbs.) or Sylvester Williams (was nearly 400 lbs. in H.S.) who comitted to getting in shape a long time ago than a guy who drops a bunch of weight at the last minute because he sees the light (and $) at the end of the tunnel.

His college play did not suffer from his weight. This is not a fat and lazy player. He is loseing wieght now because his trainers and his representitives are all telling him to do so. He will not play at his current weight, but he is showing that he can indeed slim down if thats what a team desires of him.

I had him ranked as a first round pick early in the off season and had us takig him in the first in my first and second mock i beleive. People were hating on him then for games he didnt even play in. Now they are hating on him because of him working hard and loseing weight. I dont know what it is about him, but people seem to just want to hate him. I think he is gonna be a good NT in the nfl.
Originally posted by Sims84:
Yes because we have struggled to stop the run in our base defense in recent years :-/ we do just fine with "band aids"

Yep, that's why they didn't get gashed by big physical backs such as Faulk and Jackson who would break up the middle for huge gains. Soap played like a beast in 2011 and was basically still average for an NT, this past season he regressed and was just flat out awful, one of the worst NT's in the NFL. Crazily enough, the 49ers defense might look even better with a strong, athletic, big body lineman in the middle drawing multiple blockers regularly.


NT which is the reason we have not addressed that position with urgent need.


If we weren't a top 10 run defense, I'd see your point but we just set a record for consecutive games without allowing a rushing TD recently, Williams can handle that easily. We need more depth (later rounds) and penetrating lineman (early rounds)


Exactly when was this? I see a team that is still strong against the run but got beatup by quality teams with big, physical running back's. 49ers gave up 150 yards rushing to Minnesota, 150 against the Giants, 140 against Seattle and......almost 180 against Seattle. Are you somehow under the impression that the 49ers don't play Seattle again this year, that they don't have to go against Marshawn Lynch who has given them all sorts of issues?


lol we are in our base 3-4 about 30% of the time

What exactly do you think makes this possible(by the way your number is significantly incorrect but I digress....I think you're looking at Soap only having played 30% of the snaps without accounting for others who were in the game replacing him). The 49ers play in a nickel defense because they get teams into 2nd and long, 3rd and long.....however, against teams like Seattle, St Louis and Minnesota, it was more commonly 3rd and 2, 3rd and 3, 3rd and 4. When you get a team into 3rd and long, you can move your NT out, when you CAN'T, your entire defense suffers and this is the key for them. If Williams steps in and can't deliver, this entire defense falls apart as their success has been largely predicated on getting teams into unfavorable third down situations. Adding a quality NT means being able to put teams more consistently into those types of bad positions.
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Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by kush:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by JustinNiner:
sounds like this guy has weight issues. When people lose that much weight it is incredibly easy for them to gain it back so it is a risky pick with any 1st or 2nd. If we don't have DT by the 3rd round I would pull the trigger tho but If I was harbaugh I would make sure that this guy is motivated and has good work ethic

In the NFL he will have all the diet specialists and trainers he needs to stay fit. wont be an issue.

Not an issue? This guy has had a pretty good idea for the last 2 years that he has a chance to play in the NFL. He has been playing at a top-flight SEC school where I'm sure he has state of the art equipment and resources to stay healthy.

He has had the license as well as plenty of motivation to slim down years ago. The fact that he is only now getting in shape is concerning to me. I would much rather draft a guy like John Hankins (who began his OSU career at 380 lbs.) or Sylvester Williams (was nearly 400 lbs. in H.S.) who comitted to getting in shape a long time ago than a guy who drops a bunch of weight at the last minute because he sees the light (and $) at the end of the tunnel.

His college play did not suffer from his weight. This is not a fat and lazy player. He is loseing wieght now because his trainers and his representitives are all telling him to do so. He will not play at his current weight, but he is showing that he can indeed slim down if thats what a team desires of him.

I had him ranked as a first round pick early in the off season and had us takig him in the first in my first and second mock i beleive. People were hating on him then for games he didnt even play in. Now they are hating on him because of him working hard and loseing weight. I dont know what it is about him, but people seem to just want to hate him. I think he is gonna be a good NT in the nfl.

You really think carrying 50+ lbs. of fat didn't affect his play in college? Come on man, this isnt a conspiracy and it ain't rocket science.
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I feel the same about him as I did about Terrance Cody, their weight fluctuates too much, even though they have significant size and athleticism. But I guess Tomsula would have his way with him.

LOL...let's be reality, Terrence Cody and "athleticism" do not belong in the same sentence. I really wish people would stop making that comparison.; Jenkins and Cody are nothing alike other than being big bodied NT's.

Terrence Cody Combine #'s-5.70 40, 22 reps on bench press, 1.90 in 10 yard dash, 22 inches on vertical jump.

John Jenkins Combine #'s-5.30 40, 30 reps on bench press, 1.80 in 10 yard dash, 34 inches on vertical jump.



Cody was an absolute stiff, a big body who simply was there to take up space, hopefully eat up blockers with the understanding that he could do little else. Jenkins is far more athletic, has much better quickness, stronger, more active and more versatile, having played both inside and outside for Georgia. The comparison between the two is a pretty lousy one. Jenkins has at least put in the work this offseason and has gotten himself NFL ready, I think his weight drop shows commitment and an understanding of what he needs to do to perform at the next level. He's dropped a ton of weight, meanwhile Cody in his offseason showed up over 370 pounds for workouts.
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Ask yourself this when thinking about the team investing heavily (pun intended) in the NT position:

When playing nickel defense, is there a LB or DE that I would take off the field instead of the NT?

If not, the NT isn't worth it.