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MadDog's 2013 NFL Draft Best Available Board

I'll never understand the EJ Manuel love, but nice work overall MD.
[ Edited by Schulzy on Mar 27, 2013 at 8:23 PM ]
Why did you bold Hopkins instead of Jamie Collins? Here you have Collins ranked one spot higher, and both are available at 34 in your big board (Collins at 60, Hopkins at 34)
Love this board and really appreciate the work, by the way. It's fun to combine it with your big board to try to find value for my mocks. I just wish this list was longer .
Ansah at 43? No way.
Eifert at 5? WOW.
I don't know if you're trying to make a statement, but both of those projections are horrid.
Excluding those two spots, everything looks fair enough.
Nevermind, Fisher is one of top players in the draft. I'm losing faith on your ability to see talent. Sorry MD.
Big ups to Alford at #25- gonna be a gamer and we should be able to get him with our own 2nd round pick.
Been high on eifert, tank, and viccaro all year
Originally posted by dhp318:
Do you see Eddie Lacy as a RB worthy of spending a 1st round pick (given the devaluation of the position).

Yes. To me, he is the only RB worthy of a first round grade. I see a big upside to his game. I wouldn't be upset if the Niners pulled the trigger at 31 if he is on the board. Frank Gore is just about done, and a big back with fresh legs would be huge for the team.
Originally posted by D-Money:
Ansah at 43? No way.
Eifert at 5? WOW.
I don't know if you're trying to make a statement, but both of those projections are horrid.
Excluding those two spots, everything looks fair enough.
Nevermind, Fisher is one of top players in the draft. I'm losing faith on your ability to see talent. Sorry MD.
Big ups to Alford at #25- gonna be a gamer and we should be able to get him with our own 2nd round pick.

Ansah is as raw as sushi, and I think he is older than he claims. Looked completely lost during Senior Bowl week. Played a good game, but matched up against some pretty bad RT's. To me, second round value.

As for Eifert, I think he is a Pro Bowler within two years. I think that highly of him.

As for the LT's, I have them all bunched together really tight. I love that Joeckel is a smooth player and seems to understand the game very well. He is ready to play today and at a high level. Then again, Fisher has that excellent height, and may end up the better player in the long run. He needs to anchor better, as I see him driven back a bit too often by power rushers. Finally, Johnson, in my opinion, has the greatest upside to his game, and is the most athletic of the bunch. The last time an OT ran as well as he did, before this year, was Trent Williams, who ended up going number 4 and making the Pro Bowl team and Bruce Campbell, who has been a mess physically even before entering the draft.

In the end, I could easily flip flop the order in the next few weeks, and if so, I believe Johnson would be my number one OT. All of this being said, I'd take both Cooper and Warmack over any OT.
Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
Love this board and really appreciate the work, by the way. It's fun to combine it with your big board to try to find value for my mocks. I just wish this list was longer .

When we get to draft weekend, I will be making my call on the best player available on my board with each pick, if the Webzone doesn't overload when the team picks...which always happens.
Originally posted by Schulzy:
I'll never understand the EJ Manuel love, but nice work overall MD.

I probably just jinxed him.

The league is moving more and more to athletic QB's, and Manuel has great athleticism, a terrific arm, and experience. He obviously needs to become more consistent, but that is the theme with all of these QBs. Only three QBs I like in this draft (Manuel, Smith, Nassib), and then a big, big dropoff.

I have seen recently that Mayock is turning to the dark side and bumped Manuel up to number 2 on his best QB avaliable. With Manuel's invite to the NFL draft, it appears league execs think he will be a first rounder. It doesn't always work out that way, and I think Manti is smart to decline the invitation, since I believe he will fall into the second round.
Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
Why did you bold Hopkins instead of Jamie Collins? Here you have Collins ranked one spot higher, and both are available at 34 in your big board (Collins at 60, Hopkins at 34)

I try to stay as true to the board as possible, but in some cases, where there is a greater value in a position of need with a first rounder, and two players are graded virtually the same, the tiebreaker goes to the need. Since OLB is not a need, but WR is a need, I tend to look at the pick of Hopkins being wiser than Collins. I hope that makes sense.

As the draft progresses, then I think it is smarter to stay true to your board; hence, the use of one of the team's third rounders on Washington.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
Love this board and really appreciate the work, by the way. It's fun to combine it with your big board to try to find value for my mocks. I just wish this list was longer .

When we get to draft weekend, I will be making my call on the best player available on my board with each pick, if the Webzone doesn't overload when the team picks...which always happens.


Use the facebook page.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
Why did you bold Hopkins instead of Jamie Collins? Here you have Collins ranked one spot higher, and both are available at 34 in your big board (Collins at 60, Hopkins at 34)

I try to stay as true to the board as possible, but in some cases, where there is a greater value in a position of need with a first rounder, and two players are graded virtually the same, the tiebreaker goes to the need. Since OLB is not a need, but WR is a need, I tend to look at the pick of Hopkins being wiser than Collins. I hope that makes sense.

As the draft progresses, then I think it is smarter to stay true to your board; hence, the use of one of the team's third rounders on Washington.

Makes perfect sense. Just making sure you didn't accidentally bold the wrong one.

That said, given our rumored interest in Bruce Irvin last year--and the drop-off in our pass rush late in the year--I actually think a specialist OLB is a bigger need than WR. We have a very strong WR1 and WR2, and a high-end WR3 when Manningham comes back. And surely we can get more than nothing from our 2012 first round pick this time around.

I'll be ready to proclaim WR a "major need" in 2014 if Boldin starts slowing down and Jenkins cements his bust status. A top WR in this draft would be nice (and I could definitely see him contributing), but my slight preference is to use those premium picks elsewhere.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by D-Money:
Ansah at 43? No way.
Eifert at 5? WOW.
I don't know if you're trying to make a statement, but both of those projections are horrid.
Excluding those two spots, everything looks fair enough.
Nevermind, Fisher is one of top players in the draft. I'm losing faith on your ability to see talent. Sorry MD.
Big ups to Alford at #25- gonna be a gamer and we should be able to get him with our own 2nd round pick.

Ansah is as raw as sushi, and I think he is older than he claims. Looked completely lost during Senior Bowl week. Played a good game, but matched up against some pretty bad RT's. To me, second round value.

As for Eifert, I think he is a Pro Bowler within two years. I think that highly of him.

As for the LT's, I have them all bunched together really tight. I love that Joeckel is a smooth player and seems to understand the game very well. He is ready to play today and at a high level. Then again, Fisher has that excellent height, and may end up the better player in the long run. He needs to anchor better, as I see him driven back a bit too often by power rushers. Finally, Johnson, in my opinion, has the greatest upside to his game, and is the most athletic of the bunch. The last time an OT ran as well as he did, before this year, was Trent Williams, who ended up going number 4 and making the Pro Bowl team and Bruce Campbell, who has been a mess physically even before entering the draft.

In the end, I could easily flip flop the order in the next few weeks, and if so, I believe Johnson would be my number one OT. All of this being said, I'd take both Cooper and Warmack over any OT.

MD, I don't know if we are necessarily talking about talented South American baseball players here. I don't know where you got the age thing from on Ansah, but his age is almost irrelevant with his size, SPEED, and strength. I have been reading your posts for years now in regard to the draft and its' prospects, and know how much you value the senior bowl practices and games. However, he made a lot of plays when he was lined up inside and was able to take great angles and cut off the runner in the backfield. For obvious reasons, he will start off slow; only 2 years of playing football, not a powerhouse college, and probably didn't have the support system most other players have in Family or former players who can share their experiences of the process. But with his size, speed, and lateral movement skills he is threat to make plays from numerous positions.

Fisher has the best feet I've seen in an OL in a long time. He does need to bulk up, but this game is about speed and he shut down all d-lineman throughout senior bowl week. All while the competition was pushed up another level for him. He was extremely impressive and has a chance to be the first pick in the draft for obvious reason. Warmack and Cooper are good but Fisher is going to be a stud and should be ranked above them.

I have to disagree about Eifert, although he is big and has strong hands, his YAC is very unimpressive. I see him being very comparable to another former ND player, Kyle Rudolph. Good but not great. Ertz is the better TE in this draft, he runs crisp routes, has soft hands, and is a touchdown machine. He gets faster when he sees the endzone.

I still think you do a great job overall and put a lot of effort into your work, and that I can appreciate. As always, good luck on your picks.
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Use the facebook page.

love the idea. i would check it out.
First, thank you MD for all of the hard work and insights (based on looking at a lot of film)... The zone is much better because of it.

Despite their clear need for a safety (and it is good to hear that you think that Cyprien will be available at 31), I personally think the Niners should draft their D linemen very early in this draft to maximize talent at that position moving forward. I guess I'm one of those guys who think that the game really is won in the trenches and I think if their D line had more depth (or their guys were healthy) at the end of the season, the team wins the SB.

Therefore, if you had to take 2 D linemen that were likely to be on the board at 31 (or 34) and 61, who would you take? I'm guessing that one of those guys is Jesse Williams but I'd sure welcome your opinion.

Cheers!
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