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Combine thread

Originally posted by buck:
Draftmetrics has ten articles about the importance of the combine drills

http://www.draftmetrics.com/

Here they are.

1. Adding Perspective to NFL Combine Results: Part 1

http://www.draftmetrics.com/files/Addding%20Perspective%20to%20NFL%20Combine%20Results1.pdf

2. Adding Perspective to NFL Combine Results: Part 2

http://www.draftmetrics.com/files/Adding%20Perspective%20to%20NFL%20Combine%20Results2.pdf

3. The Combine Chronicles: Wide Receivers

http://www.draftmetrics.com/files/The%20Combine%20ChroniclesWR.pdf

4. The Combine Chronicles: Quarterbacks

http://www.draftmetrics.com/files/The%20Combine%20ChroniclesQB.pdf

5. The Combine Chronicles: Running Backs

http://www.draftmetrics.com/files/The%20Combine%20ChroniclesRB.pdf

6. The Combine Chronicles: Defensive Ends

http://www.draftmetrics.com/files/The%20Combine%20ChroniclesDE.pdf

7. The Combine Chronicles: Defensive Tackles

http://www.draftmetrics.com/files/The%20Combine%20ChroniclesDT.pdf

8. The Combine Chronicles: Linebackers

http://www.draftmetrics.com/files/The%20Combine%20ChroniclesLB.pdf

9. The Combine Chronicles: Cornerbacks

http://www.draftmetrics.com/files/The%20Combine%20ChronicleCB.pdf

10. The Combine Chronicles: Safeties

http://www.draftmetrics.com/files/The%20Combine%20ChronicleS.pdf

This is awesome bro, some of this stuff I was familiar with but there's a lot more that caught my eye. Props on posting this.
Originally posted by buck:
You had Jones #2 in your first board; #12 on the second.

Does his not participating in the combine, drop him further down the board?

Everything hinges on his Medicals. If he is clear, then he will be a high draftee. If not, we could see a surprising fall.
Originally posted by LottOfDefense:
What about Escobar in the 3rd? Will he still be there at 9ers 2nd 3rd rounder?

Maybe, but he looks like a guy who could make a run into the second round. I tend to doubt he will be there when the Niners pick in the 90s
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Back in early 1990s, there were no more than a dozen reporters covering combine. This year, the NFL issued 800 media credentials for it.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Dion Sims slimmed down quite a bit, guess he took those slow and fat comments to heart, damn. Want to see what he runs at that weight.

I was thinking the same thing. Wasn't he around the 285 pound range? He's definitely someone Im going to keep a eye on.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Maybe, but he looks like a guy who could make a run into the second round. I tend to doubt he will be there when the Niners pick in the 90s

This, his measurables are impressive,if he does well in the drills and interviews, he could be ending up anywhere from the mid to late 2nd round.
Originally posted by SFL49ER:
He was already on the roster last year. Did you see his stats and efficiency. Yeah, he dropped a few passes, but his production soared with the qb change. All we need to do is resign him. He could be a starter on many teams. Yeah..., his name IS Delanie Walker.





Dropping 30% of your targeted passes is not just slight.....he dropped as many passes as guys who had 3 times the amount of receptions, it was just ridiculous.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Feb 21, 2013 at 4:28 PM ]
Originally posted by LottOfDefense:
What about Escobar in the 3rd? Will he still be there at 9ers 2nd 3rd rounder?

Pumpkin Escobar?


Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by LottOfDefense:
What about Escobar in the 3rd? Will he still be there at 9ers 2nd 3rd rounder?

Pumpkin Escobar?



Hey kid ... you wanna buy some crack?
Originally posted by TexasNiner:
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If that is the case, he is either a fool or we will get extremely lucky. And it's highly unlikely either happens. I'd love for him to stay, and at a rate that makes sense for the team, but the only way (IMO) that happens is if the market for him never really develops and the difference between the contract to stay in SF and "starter money" elsewhere is limited. If SF only wants/can afford to pay him solid back up money, which for a TE would be maybe $2 to $2.5 mil a year (his cap hit was $1.9 mil last year, and many teams don't pay their starting TE that kind of money) and another team is willing to pay him top TE money at $3.5 to $4.5+ per year for 5 years, he would be foolish not to take it.

Given the pay rate at his position, his age and the likelihood of ever getting a bigger or better contract, he owes it to himself and his family to get that extra $7-$10+ million. That's life changing, career altering money.

We aren't talking about a star player at a premium position who has already made $20 million just for being drafted and might take a $55 million contract instead of a $62 million contract to stay with his team who won't miss the extra money. The difference between us giving him maybe between a $12-$15 million deal vs someone else breaking the bank to sign him as a number one and going $20-$25 million or more would be too great to pass up.

The only way he stays is if that market doesn't develop for him as a starter. But considering the cap hit for guys like Greg Olsen, Marcedes Lewis or Owen Daniels is well north of $5 mill next year, it's hard for me to think someone won't offer him at least $3-4 mil a year or more, and I don't see how we have the cap to match that when we can draft/sign a backup TE for probably under $1 mil a year and spend the remaining money on more necessary areas of the team.

And if there is that big of a gap in what we can pay vs what other teams may offer, it's unrealistic to think he would stay here for a significantly lower contract.

I can't disagree with anything you said here. Maybe I just have too much faith that Delanie has team loyalty and will stay.
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
This is awesome bro, some of this stuff I was familiar with but there's a lot more that caught my eye. Props on posting this.

Your welcome. I am still reading the articles. I find statistical analysis a bit baffling.

Also, we should remember that it is easy to inflate the importance of the combine "events."

"National Football Scouting president Jeff Foster asked teams years ago to list their priorities, and the results were loud and clear. 'All 32 teams, medicals were No. 1', Foster told Mike Chappell of the Indianapolis Star. 'All 32 teams, interviews were No. 2. Then there was a mix between the on-field stuff and the psychological testing.'"

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/21/for-nfl-teams-combine-is-all-about-the-medical-tests/related/

"We've always let the film speak for us. The hype, the weight, the speed. The Combine's nice, it's a part of the picture, but it's a small part of the picture. The big part of the picture is the film, and what they've put on film over their career." –Trent Baalke

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Combine-Transcript-Trent-Baalke/987ea1b7-e76a-46dc-a6df-90ccc340ab96
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:




Dropping 30% of your targeted passes is not just slight.....he dropped as many passes as guys who had 3 times the amount of receptions, it was just ridiculous.


When watching DW at the end of the season, it looked like he changed his ways a little bit on how he was catching the ball. Like he was trying too hard to make the transition to Kaepernick's fastballs. I noticed him trying to catch with his body and not his hands. And he is not very smooth catching easy passes anyway, but I do expect more improvement from him next year with those issues. Hope he is with us.
Originally posted by SFL49ER:
When watching DW at the end of the season, it looked like he changed his ways a little bit on how he was catching the ball. Like he was trying too hard to make the transition to Kaepernick's fastballs. I noticed him trying to catch with his body and not his hands. And he is not very smooth catching easy passes anyway, but I do expect more improvement from him next year with those issues. Hope he is with us.

Me too. Hes a great blocker. Really cant overstate what he contributes to the run game with that. I also saw him improving and i think he will be back b with us.
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
This is awesome bro, some of this stuff I was familiar with but there's a lot more that caught my eye. Props on posting this.

Your welcome. I am still reading the articles. I find statistical analysis a bit baffling.

Also, we should remember that it is easy to inflate the importance of the combine "events."

"National Football Scouting president Jeff Foster asked teams years ago to list their priorities, and the results were loud and clear. 'All 32 teams, medicals were No. 1', Foster told Mike Chappell of the Indianapolis Star. 'All 32 teams, interviews were No. 2. Then there was a mix between the on-field stuff and the psychological testing.'"

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/21/for-nfl-teams-combine-is-all-about-the-medical-tests/related/

"We've always let the film speak for us. The hype, the weight, the speed. The Combine's nice, it's a part of the picture, but it's a small part of the picture. The big part of the picture is the film, and what they've put on film over their career." –Trent Baalke

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Combine-Transcript-Trent-Baalke/987ea1b7-e76a-46dc-a6df-90ccc340ab96

Baalke looks like he hasn't slept since the super bowl. lol
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Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by buck:
NOT WORKING OUT

Matt Barkley
Keenan Allen
Kawann Short
Jarvis Jones

was there a reason why the bolded players decided not to work out?


Eddie Lacy is out with a hamstring tear.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/21727093/report-tide-rb-lacy-tears-hamstring