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Phoenix49ers 2013 Mock Draft V4.0

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
I just don't see where you suggest the re-signing of either RJF or Soap, and you have the rookie NT replacing Ian Williams leaving no veteran NTs on the roster...so it was a natural assumption on my part. If you mean to work the rookie Williams into a rotation, I'm totally onboard with that.

Yes, there where some definite breakdowns in the run game against teams like the Seahawks, Rams, Vikings and the Giants. And I'm not suggesting that Soap is an all-Pro, and we definitely need to develop a long-term solution there (and Brandon Williams is ideal, so I have no argument with the pick). But the reality of the situation (as you said it) is that this team finished 4th in rushing yards allowed this year (1507 total yards). That's the 2nd best 49er defensive rush-yards total in 15 years, second only to last year (as you said, when Soap played at a very high level).

The team that crushed them twice this year was of course Seattle, but they ran over everyone (most attempts in the NFL, and 3rd most yards). Steven Jackson ran all over us after the bye week when the entire team seemed flat, but was held in check when we played them in St. Louis. Adrian Peterson was handled for most of the Minn game; it was Ponder's scrambling that really hurt the run defense that day. Ahmad Bradshaw did run all over us; no excuses there.

So in reality, Marshawn Lynch (twice), Ahmad Bradshaw (not a particularly big back, btw, but definitely a tough inside runner) and Steven Jackson (once) had success against us. The rest of the RBs in the league didn't do much against our defense. In terms of sheer defensive production which helped lead to the 4th ranked rush defense in the league, I can live with that kind of NT play.

Somebody has to stay, whether its Soap or RJF...worst case scenario Ian Williams starts, but with a guy like Brandon Williams, you really do have to work him in, allow him to start treading water before you throw him into the deep end.


As far as the NT play, its the single biggest area where the 49ers can improve on an existing starter.

Agreed.
Phoenix:
Thanks for taking the risk to address our greatest needs as a team. Mock drafts are always interesting to see someones views of the offseason and what and who they think can solve the issues in our team. I suspect it will be different in the actual draft itself but you put your thoughts and energies out there for us. Thank you.
[ Edited by Ninefan56 on Jan 28, 2013 at 11:00 AM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Post-Senior Bowl Update

Predicting comp picks in Round 4 and Round 7.

Predicting early 3rd round pick in exchange for Alex. My justification for this is that desperation will set in for some teams. This is a weak QB class, new GM's and current GM's who could be on the hot seat will face pressure to get some stability at the position, having a guy with extensive pro experience, who has been playing the best football of his life is a bargain for a 3rd round pick. It could go higher depending on how things go, but I think an early 3rd round pick is fair for a solid NFL quarterback with many years left. The opposing argument that teams will wait for Alex to be released is flawed, as the 49ers potentially would not need to release him this offseason and I've seen that written in other articles, additionally if you wait for a guy to be released, you can't control his salary nor the destination he ends up in ultimately, there'd be more than a few teams interested in his services, so buy trading a 3rd round pick, you get an established quarterback, know how much he will be earning and don't have to compete with anyone else for him, to me, that is quite worth it. In this mock I predict that either KC, Oakland or Cleveland will trade for Alex.

Predicting Goldson to be re-signed.


Round 1-Datone Jones-DE-UCLA-6'4"280. After his performance at the Senior Bowl, I'm totally on board this bandwagon. He showed a tremendous combination of athleticism and technique. He can stand to add more weight but size-wise he is the closest to Justin Smith when he came out of college, bigger even actually. He can stop the rush but also has a great ability to rush the passer which I think is crucial, this defense has been most effective with Justin Smith reliably getting penetration and requiring a double-team to stop him. All the tools are there for him to be a dominant player, next season he could be a regular rotational DE, subbing in for Smith and McDonald throughout the game, allowing this team to maintain their pass rush which is tremendously important, we've see what this defense looks like when the pass rush is hindered, the need to get to the quarterback is most crucial.

Round 2-Brandon Williams-NT-Missouri Southern-6'2",341. Williams proved he can hang with top competition at the Senior Bowl. He has the tools to be a pro-level NT and really isn't very far off from Jonathan Jenkins in terms of overall talent. He might move up quite a bit more depending on the Combine results, especially with a few more teams going to be running the 3-4 next season and looking for an NT. If the 49ers could pull off snagging Williams AND Jones, I'd be ecstatic, that is the future of the defensive line right there, with both guys being able to develop under Tomsula and being slowly brought into eventual starting roles.

Round 3(AS Trade)-Quinton Patton-WR-Louisiana Tech-6'0", 205. Likely he won't be here, he may even move up into the early 2nd round. I'm basically hoping that his numbers will be off enough at the Combine to scare some teams away. He's a phenomenal prospect and perhaps the most game-ready WR in this draft. Comes with leadership ability, tenacity, not great speed but very deceptive quickness and an ability to make cuts without really slowing down, he has tremendous hands and is an eager blocker. I've been on board this bandwagon for awhile, I'm convinced he's going to be an outstanding player in the NFL.

Round 3-Leon McFadden-CB-San Diego State-5'10, 193. Playmaking corner, not great size but very fluid, outstanding closing speed, feisty, loves to compete, plays with confidence, would replace Tramaine Brock, could contribute on special teams and eventually replace Tarell Brown on the defense.

Round 3-Bacarri Rambo-FS-Georgia-6'1", 215. His stock fell some with the Senior Bowl but I still like him as a prospect quite a lot. He's very aggressive, loves to hit, plays the centerfield role very well, similar to Dashon Goldson in many ways, he is also bigger than initially thought, pretty good size for a safety and he fits this defense well, at this spot in the draft he's a bargain. An alternate at this spot could also be DJ Swearinger of South Carolina.

Round 4-Gavin Escobar-TE-San Diego State-6'5", 250. May not be available at this position but he provides a compelling combination of size and athleticism. Has to further develop his blocking ability but a very competent downfield target, would be a good replacement for Delanie Walker. An alternate at this spot could also be Ryan Otten of San Jose State who fell off somewhat at the Senior Bowl.

Round 4-Dennis Johnson-RB-Arkansas-5'9", 210. Love his talent, very good north-south runner, doesn't dance around, hits the hole hard and continues to drive his legs to pick up every last yard. He's a good receiver out of the backfield, has experience as a kick returner so he's good in space, is a good blocker and just a very good all-around back, has the size and strength to be an asset around the goal line.

Round 5-Matt Scott-QB-Arizona-6'2", 210. I'm on board with Tolzien as the backup QB, Scott is very similar to Kaepernick, not as experienced and needs time to develop but he could be an ideal backup down the road, he has a strong arm, quickness in the pocket, highly mobile, would fit well with the read option and Pistol principles that this team uses. A good guy to have sit on the bench for a couple of years and develop into a reliable backup, a potential starter down the road that could be traded for picks someday as well.

Round 5-Marquess Wilson-WR-Washington-6'3", 210. Wherever he gets picked, it will likely be too low, he's a physically impressive receiver, not a speedster by any means but has good hands and could be a useful addition. 49ers could be without Moss next year and Wilson could add a bigger, more physical element. Additionally Manningham may not return until after the season has started so another WR in the draft could be very helpful.

Round 6-Dustin Hopkins-K-Florida State-6'2", 190. 49ers need a kicker, Hopkins is the top prospect this year. If he's not available, Caleb Sturgis and Quinn Sharp are acceptable alternatives. 49ers should definitely try and add a kicker in this draft, doing so is essential with Akers looking shaky in regards to the future.

Round 6-Sam Schwarzstein-C-Stanford-6'3", 295. Provides depth at center, if Kilgore takes over, Schwarzstein would become the backup, he's got familiarity with the offense and is a decent run and pass blocker. Has experience playing center and is tremendously underrated.

Round 7-Tanner Hawkinson-OT-Kansas-6'5", 304. Good right-tackle prospect, experienced, somewhat undersized but would provide depth at a spot where this team has none. He could become an eventual starter if Davis is not re-signed. The 49ers have the luxury of not needing him to start immediately so he could simply sit on the bench and learn.

Round 7-Robert McCabe-ILB-Georgetown-6'1", 232. Could be a needed replacement for Larry Grant, also can contribute on special teams. He was a very good player at Duke, a bit undersized but a very capable inside linebacker and reliable tackler. Has good leadership skills, was team captain and leading tackler, tremendous college production, albeit at a lower level.

Round 7-Chris Jones-DE/DT-Bowling Green-6'2", 295. Worth a look. He was dominating at Bowling Green, capable pass rusher, not very refined, but plays aggressively with a solid motor. At this point in the draft, why not one more D-Line prospect to see what he's got.

Round 7-Tony Tatum-CB-Gallaudet-6'2", 200. Who the %$#? Where the $%#$? Sleeper prospect who is a tenacious defender, very aggressive cornerback, huge playmaker, he could be gone before this point but looks and plays the part of a good man to man cornerback. Doesn't shy way from physical contact, confident bordering on cocky, has absolutely dominated, basically the Revis of D3 football, played at a low level of competition this will drop him, as well as him being deaf, which is something he's managed with due to him being very instinctual. He could go anywhere from the mid 6th round to being undrafted, I think at this point in the draft, he'd be a terrific choice, especially with his physical size.







Will all these picks fit on the roster, doubtful, but I do oppose the notion that somehow the 49ers won't need a lot of draft picks. They have a lot of free agents and there could be substanstial roster turnover, just looking at the free agents, they could be looking at replacing:

Alex Smith
Tramaine Brock
Delanie Walker
Soap
RJF
Randy Moss
Dashon Goldson
Larry Grant
David Akers



Its easy to see how they could draft and have room for a substantial number of draft picks, not to mention that certain picks could beat out existing players on the roster. A guy like Brandon Williams could replace Ian Williams, a pick like McFadden could replace Perrish Cox with Tatum replacing Brock. Matt Scott could replace Alex Smith on the roster, McCabe could replace Grant or Wilhoite...etc.

I really liked the Jones, Williams, McFadden, Rambo, Hopkins, Schwarstein picks. Good coverage and good focus on our needs. Good job, I enjoyed this mock draft.
There are needs and "immediate needs" and you took care of the immediate needs, IMO, w/the first 2 picks. Excellent!

Totally agree that Alex Smith will be traded. Baalke is a business man and it would be a distastrous business decision to let him walk. KC or Browns is my guess. I also think it happens much sooner than latter. If KC retains Albert they'll have a pretty good line. Added plus KC won't have to take a QB high in the draft. Alex has a number of good years ahead of him. Their 3rd is about right.

Hopkins will be an excellent adition to our team.

Thanks for all the work.
Picks all the way through the 6th round are solid, even with Rambo's supposed bad week at the Senior Bowl. Agree with others that it would be nicer to see a swing OT sooner than the 7th round, but all the other areas of need are addressed. Nice work!
Really intrigued by Tony Tatum, had never heard of him before. Do you think his draft stock is more affected by level of competition or the fact that he's deaf?
Originally posted by mkary12:
Really intrigued by Tony Tatum, had never heard of him before. Do you think his draft stock is more affected by level of competition or the fact that he's deaf?

Both. I think he'd be playing at a higher level if he wasn't deaf, he picked his particular school because of its program and reputation for working with the deaf, sizewise and athletically he is completely legit, taking someone from D3 and trying to extrapolate their performance to a higher level is always risky but I think Tatum is worth it, especially that late in the draft. He's been scouted by the Bills, Bengals and Eagles so its possible he gets taken earlier.
Stopped caring after "Replacing Soap"
Good draft and I do agree can't just let Soap and RJF walk. I'd rather sign Soap for a decent deal and let RFJ walk. Then have the pick rotate in with Soap
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Stopped caring after "Replacing Soap"

LOL....am I going to have to make a "Soap is overrated" thread too?


Its amazing how many people are so far gone on the Kool-Aid that you bring up the idea of upgrading a position and people freak out and lose their minds. Soap was one of the worst rated NT's in football this year, way down the list, and yet some people act like everything is kosher. This team needs an upgrade at NT, that much is clear.
would rather have desmond trufont in the 2nd might have to use our 1st on him imo we need the best corner in the draft
Originally posted by Rgonelove:
would rather have desmond trufont in the 2nd might have to use our 1st on him imo we need the best corner in the draft

Which isn't Trufant. In terms of talent, McFadden is right up there, he just played at a lower level.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Rgonelove:
would rather have desmond trufont in the 2nd might have to use our 1st on him imo we need the best corner in the draft

Which isn't Trufant. In terms of talent, McFadden is right up there, he just played at a lower level.

agreed. McFadden and Trufant are close in talent and skills wise. And the best CBs are Banks, Poyer, Milliner and Rhodes, then guys like Trufant, Logan Ryan, Amerson, McFadden, Will Davis.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Stopped caring after "Replacing Soap"

LOL....am I going to have to make a "Soap is overrated" thread too?


Its amazing how many people are so far gone on the Kool-Aid that you bring up the idea of upgrading a position and people freak out and lose their minds. Soap was one of the worst rated NT's in football this year, way down the list, and yet some people act like everything is kosher. This team needs an upgrade at NT, that much is clear.

If you are going to put a mock draft out there you need to prepare yourself for others to disagree with some of it. You would do much better if you would cut a bit of the know it all attitude. You seem like you put in a lot of study on the draft and thats cool. However, so do a lot of people who may have different opinions.

I agree that NT ( and DE) are positions that we need to focus on either to upgrade or prepare for the future. In my opinion the top 4 rounds should address:
1) DE
2) DT
3) CB
4) WR
5) OLB
6) TE

Really do like your mock by the way. I would, as I said before just include a pass rushing OLB in the 4th.
[ Edited by Ninerjohn on Jan 28, 2013 at 4:07 PM ]
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
If you are going to put a mock draft out there you need to prepare yourself for others to disagree with some of it. You would do much better if you would cut a bit of the know it all attitude. You seem like you put in a lot of study on the draft and thats cool. However, so do a lot of people who may have different opinions.

I agree that NT ( and DE) are positions that we need to focus on either to upgrade or prepare for the future. In my opinion the top 4 rounds should address:
1) DE
2) DT
3) CB
4) WR
5) OLB
6) TE

Really do like your mock by the way. I would, as I said before just include a pass rushing OLB in the 4th.

Lol, did you read the comment I was responding to? I thought I was being rather polite.