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2013 Defensive Line Prospects (DE, DT, and NT)

Based on picking at #31, I'd be happy with either of the Williams'...both have the size, versatility and quickness that would give Fangio a big bang for the buck. I like Sly Williams better...and for critics of taking another UNC DL, this guy didn't just start his senior season like Balmer did. BTW, it's Jonathan Hankins from OSU, not Jenkins. Jenkins is from GA and is freakin' huge. Not sure he has the versatility either of the Williams' do, though. I really don't see Baalke trading up in the 1st rd to get any of the top ranked guys...it'd cost a ton and the cap space is a factor, particularly if they sign Asomugha.
Guess this can go in here

Utah defensive tackle Star Lotulelei wasn't able to work out for scouts at the combine because doctors found his hear was pumping below normal levels, leading him to return to Utah for more evaluation before resuming his normal workout schedule.

There were no further problems, which got Lotulelei cleared to take part in the school's pro day on Wednesday. Joe Schad of ESPN reports that Lotulelei put up 225 pounds 38 times, had a 30 inch vertical leap and a 4.65 time in the shuttle run. Tony Pauline of DraftInsider.net reports that Lotulelei ran the 40 even though he wasn't scheduled to do so and put up an "official" time of around 5.15 seconds.
[ Edited by lamontb on Mar 20, 2013 at 1:02 PM ]
Originally posted by lamontb:
Guess this can go in here

Utah defensive tackle Star Lotulelei wasn't able to work out for scouts at the combine because doctors found his hear was pumping below normal levels, leading him to return to Utah for more evaluation before resuming his normal workout schedule.

There were no further problems, which got Lotulelei cleared to take part in the school's pro day on Wednesday. Joe Schad of ESPN reports that Lotulelei put up 225 pounds 38 times, had a 30 inch vertical leap and a 4.65 time in the shuttle run. Tony Pauline of DraftInsider.net reports that Lotulelei ran the 40 even though he wasn't scheduled to do so and put up an "official" time of around 5.15 seconds.
so much to the dream of him slipping big time good for him.
Originally posted by AlmighT49er:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Guess this can go in here

Utah defensive tackle Star Lotulelei wasn't able to work out for scouts at the combine because doctors found his hear was pumping below normal levels, leading him to return to Utah for more evaluation before resuming his normal workout schedule.

There were no further problems, which got Lotulelei cleared to take part in the school's pro day on Wednesday. Joe Schad of ESPN reports that Lotulelei put up 225 pounds 38 times, had a 30 inch vertical leap and a 4.65 time in the shuttle run. Tony Pauline of DraftInsider.net reports that Lotulelei ran the 40 even though he wasn't scheduled to do so and put up an "official" time of around 5.15 seconds.
so much to the dream of him slipping big time good for him.

Was just going to post this. 38 reps for Star!!! Got a picture of him on the train after a Utes game supporting a 9ers hat. Not sure what happened to it. Many had him slipping but I don't see that now. Just not sure what teams want out of him. Not sure he will be a great pass rusher at first but he does clog up the middle pretty damn well.

Completely off topic Reggie Dunn ran a 4.22 and a 4.26.

[ Edited by JiksJuicy on Mar 20, 2013 at 3:10 PM ]
Originally posted by nally25:
Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
Someone break down Kawann Short vs Datone Jones for me. Not a CFB watcher, and their scouting reports sort of bleed together and I keep getting them confused. Both late-1st prospects at DE, it seems.


I think the big difference between the 2, in at least everything I've read, is that with Short, his motor runs hot and cold, whereas those concerns were never raised with Jones. I think Short might be better inside than Jones but Jones has the edge in the speed rush department. I'd be totally happy with either one. To me, they are sort of like Ray McDonald clones...I don't think either are going to get you guady sack numbers, but like Ray Mac, I think they'll get a lot of QB pressures and be generally disruptive, and have the ability to line up at 3-4 base end, but then kick inside on passing situations

Short is more of a plugger that uses a better first step to gain advantage. I still think Short fits best as a 4-3 DT or a 3-4 NT as a 1-gap penetrator. He won't close on the ball or QB as quickly as Datone. Datone is naturally strong, but will need to use his superior speed on interior OL more.

Short would be > to Jones right now vs the run game, but Jones is > as a pass rush threat. Jones would be far better on the stunts we like to utilize.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2013/03/25/kawann-shorts-individual-workout-witnessed-by-20-teams/

Kawann Short's individual workout witnessed by 20 teams

By Gil Brandt

Purdue defensive tackle Kawann Short was unable to work out at the NFL Scouting Combine or the school's pro day on March 1 due to a hamstring injury, so an individual workout was held on Monday.

There were 20 teams present in West Lafayette, Ind., including five defensive line coaches and New Orleans Saints director of college scouting Rick Reiprish, for a workout held indoors on FieldTurf.

Short (6-foot-3 3/8, 303 pounds) ran the 40-yard dash in 5.08 and 5.09 seconds. He had a 27-inch vertical jump and an 8-foot-4 broad jump. He ran the three-cone drill in 7.55 seconds had the short shuttle in 4.65 seconds. He also performed 29 lifts of 225 pounds on the bench press. Short — a two-time first-team All-Big Ten honoree — also did positional drills.

Short is the No. 41-rated player in my Hot 100 prospect rankings. The latest mock draft of Charley Casserly — published Monday — projected Short going to the Minnesota Vikings with the No. 23 overall pick.
[ Edited by PTulini on Mar 25, 2013 at 5:26 PM ]
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000156989/article/2013-nfl-draft-star-lotulelei-sharrif-floyd-are-top-dt-prospects

1. Star Lotulelei, Utah: Lotulelei will be pegged as a nose tackle, but he can be much more. He has improved backfield vision, maximizing his strength at the point of attack and footwork in penetration. Lotulelei also played on 91.2 percent of Utah's defensive snaps in 2012, a ridiculous number for an interior lineman. Projection: First round

2. Sharrif Floyd, Florida: Floyd possesses an ideal frame for an interior defensive lineman and projects best to the three technique. The Florida product has some experience as an edge rusher, but his ability to win by working through or around blockers is a nice combination. Projection: First round

3. Sheldon Richardson, Missouri: Cut from the same cloth as 2012 first-rounder Fletcher Cox, Richardson is an ultra-athletic penetrator who runs the line like someone of a much smaller size. He had a couple of rough outings, most notably against Kentucky's Larry Warford, but Richardson can make things happen behind the line of scrimmage. Projection: First round

4. Jesse Williams, Alabama: Blessed with great strength and solid athleticism for a man of his stature, Williams is not the typical nose tackle prospect. Not only did he play the one and zero techniques at Alabama, but Williams has experience as an end in a three-man front and will only progress with improved technique. Projection: First round

5. Sylvester Williams, North Carolina: There's a lot to to like about Sly Williams, specifically his consistent jump off the snap and quickness off the line to play one or two yards upfield. However, he fails to finish off plays far too often. Even if he doesn't show up on a stat sheet, Williams can impact the game. Projection: Top 50

6. Johnathan Hankins, Ohio State: Coming into the season, some believed Hankins could challenge for the top spot on this list due to great agility for his size and a dependable anchor at the line. However, Hankins disappeared for long stretches of time in 2012. Still, a team will believe it can turn the great flashes into consistency. Projection: Top 50

7. Brandon Williams, Missouri Southern State: A small schooler with a stout frame (and anchor, to boot), Williams should be the first true nose tackle selected on the draft's second day. There's some pass-rushing skill there, as well, thanks to leverage, strength and leg-drive advantages. Projection: Second round

8. Kawann Short, Purdue: Many love Short's game because he displays athletic feet to work around blockers. However, there are plenty of hit-and-miss elements to his tape. Just like Hankins, teams will attempt to turn the flashes into consistency. If that is achieved, watch out. Projection: Second/third round

9. Bennie Logan, LSU: Logan is a raw prospect in terms of technique and effectiveness, something that is becoming a common theme with LSU defensive players. He has great quickness and length, but outside of winning off the snap, Logan tends to struggle. With some coaching, he can be productive. Projection: Third round

10. John Jenkins, Georgia: Many rank Jenkins higher, since he moves quite well for a massive human being. However, the Georgia nose tackle absorbs much more often than he delivers on first contact. I worry about his consistency outside of splash plays. Projection: Third round
[ Edited by PTulini on Apr 3, 2013 at 5:39 PM ]
Which DL do you think would fit the 49ers best?

I say it's Jesse Williams.

[ Edited by PTulini on Apr 5, 2013 at 12:46 PM ]
Originally posted by PTulini:
Which DL do you think would fit the 49ers best?

I say it's Jesse Williams.


Wait, he plays FB too? Lock it up, done deal. Baalke trades up a to get him, guaranteed.
Originally posted by Butter:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Which DL do you think would fit the 49ers best?

I say it's Jesse Williams.


Wait, he plays FB too? Lock it up, done deal. Baalke trades up a to get him, guaranteed.


I do believe that Baalke targets him. I hope that he's successful.

Although if Datone Jones is there at #31, I hope that Jesse lasts until #34. Although that would require a heavy commitment to the DL when ther are defensive backfield needs to be addressed as well.
I'm hoping the zone can help me with Jesse Williams. The issue is he played de the supermajority of the time at bama in its 3-4 but his body type is really for a ng. The ng is way more important in the 3-4 and I have serious concerns why bama stuck him at end.

He is so violent and manhandles people but he has serious difficulty disengaging as an end because his arms are so short.

He really needs to be a ng. Help
Originally posted by bigwads:
I'm hoping the zone can help me with Jesse Williams. The issue is he played de the supermajority of the time at bama in its 3-4 but his body type is really for a ng. The ng is way more important in the 3-4 and I have serious concerns why bama stuck him at end.

He is so violent and manhandles people but he has serious difficulty disengaging as an end because his arms are so short.

He really needs to be a ng. Help
This article covers your question: http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2012/8/20/3254034/the-2012-crimson-tide-defensive-line

"After a breakout season spent mainly at DE, Jesse Williams is now devoted full time to anchoring the line at nose tackle. At 6-4 320, the senior JUCO transfer is likely more suited to playing in the middle, but with a dearth of ability on the ends and a season veteran in Josh Chapman, Williams was needed more as a "swing" player, working inside and out as the situation dictated."
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
This article covers your question: http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2012/8/20/3254034/the-2012-crimson-tide-defensive-line

"After a breakout season spent mainly at DE, Jesse Williams is now devoted full time to anchoring the line at nose tackle. At 6-4 320, the senior JUCO transfer is likely more suited to playing in the middle, but with a dearth of ability on the ends and a season veteran in Josh Chapman, Williams was needed more as a "swing" player, working inside and out as the situation dictated."

Thanks. It looks like this was written before the year though and he was still playing de most of the year.

I'm just having a really hard time taking Williams with one of our first two picks when some true ng are available later on in the draft and some better pure 34 de are available as well.