Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Yeah, I read your "defense" of Aldon, which, while correct, seems like faint praise when you immediately switch back to your "Watt for DPOY" campaign.
If you read my previous post, nobody is saying that Aldon had a bad game. However, in comparison with Watt's game, it was far inferior. Since these two guys are the front runners, people are going to compare them weekly.
Watt- 10 solo tackles, 6 tackles for loss, 3 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 4 QB hits
Smith- 1 assisted tackle, 0 tackles for loss, 0 sacks, 1 INT, 2 QB hits
If you believe that Smith's performance last night was superior, then that is fine. I do encourage you to watch the Texans game, if it is replayed this week on the NFL network.
As for guys compiling impressive stats, nobody is arguing that are other players with nice stats. Geno Atkins has been phenomenal, Justin Smith is having another solid year, etc. However, nobody is in Watt's league right now. First in the NFL in sacks, first in the NFL in tackles for loss, first amongst all non-secondary members in deflections, second against the run for all DL according to Advacnced NFL Stats and Pro Football Focus, and thr highest graded player of all positions according to both of the previously listed sites.
Justin Smith is the benchmark for excellence as a 3-4 DE. He is second amongst all DL in tackles, with 66. Watt has 74. Justin Smith has 3 sacks, Watt has 19.5. Justin Smith has 2 passes defense, Watt 15. Smith has zero forced fumbles, Watt has three. So, even though Smith is having a fine overall year, the benchmark player has been dwarfed by Watt this year.
Watt's having a great year, statistically. Aldon's not doing too badly, either.
Aldon didn't have as good a game, statistically, against the Pats, as Watt did, but the end result for Aldon's team (you remember them), was much, much better.
Frankly, last night's game appeared to be one where the leadership of the defense passed, at least in part, from Justin to Aldon. Aldon is capable of contributing to the defense in many more ways than a DE can.
If DPOY is based solely on statistics, Watt may win it.
If its based on statistics and other things, intangibles, value to a team's defense overall, then some others may get consideration, including Aldon.
Either way, my point is that Aldon has proven to be THE RIGHT SELECTION in the 2011 draft for the Niners, irrespective of whether Watt was still available or not. That won't change if Watt wins some individual award at the end of the year.
You're grasping, dude. I know the whole Watt vs. Aldon thing is ingrained in the premise of this thread, but it's time to let go of the notion that Watt's success in the NFL diminishes Aldon's success. They are both superstars, plain and simple.
As for DPOY, I agree 100% with MD, and your rebuttals are weak. You say it shouldn't be based just on Watt's stats but rather on "other things" like "value to a team's defense overall." Well, the body of stats MD has pointed out show, definitively, that Watt has added the most value to a team's defense overall in the entire NFL. There's no doubt in my mind that he's asked to do more things than Smith and is a more dynamic all-around player (don't take this as a commentary on whom we should have drafted, simply an evaluation of their current seasons).
Here's how I see it. If Aldon is the only
one to break 22.5, he will win DPOY over Watt because of the prestige that record carries. If Watt beats Aldon in sacks, Watt will win DPOY. If they both fall short of 22.5, Watt will win DPOY even if Aldon edges him for the sack title. The wild-card is what happens if Aldon beats Watt, but they both break the record (of course, this wouldn't be considered a "record" for Watt in this scenario, but imagine 23.0 for Watt and 23.5 for Aldon). Even though Aldon's name would go in the record books, I could see the voters using Watt's number as justification to give him DPOY. It all comes down to sacks at this point.
Whatever happens, keep in mind Aldon is about to follow this year with another dozen or so opportunities to break the sack record and collect DPOY awards.
[ Edited by LieutKaffee on Dec 19, 2012 at 1:57 AM ]