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MD was right

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by bzborow1:
Funny how you put yourself out there in terms of draft opinions and then get criticized for it. If everyone was spot on Michael Jordan would have been drafted first and JJ Watt shouldn't have even made it to the 9ers at 7.

Post more please.....I appreciate your knowledge and effort.

Thanks for your comments. You hit sometimes and you miss. I feel confident about my calls before, during and after, and always have a strong rationale behind each observation. Of course, once you put yourself out there, you are a target, especially when you make any critique of the team.

The problem has always been the way you handle yourself, not your critique. There are plenty of other posters who go out on a limb and make predictions or give logical critique, but without all the drama. Why? Because you have in the past been a condescending prick, pointing to those who disagree with you as not as intelligent as you, in innumerable ways. Furthermore, when you have been blatantly wrong, you've twisted things as to never really admitting, "hey guys, I just flat out got this wrong." For example, I remember quite well your avid criticism of Baalke, yet haven't once heard you say anything other than he's just lucked out on any of his previous decisions. It's your condescension, combined with unwillingness to eat crow when you've stepped over others' opinions in the process, and then you ignore your stances when they turn out wrong, that have rubbed people the wrong way. IMHO.

Wow. I dont think you like MD very much.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Wow. I dont think you like MD very much.

I haven't really had a problem with him since he's been unbanned. If you recall, he was banned for the very reason you bolded. Also, I don't think that was an unpopular a sentiment posters had towards his condescension.
[ Edited by AmpLee on Nov 30, 2012 at 2:01 PM ]
Told you guys Chris Givens was a sleeper....Looked damn good against us.
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Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Told you guys Chris Givens was a sleeper....Looked damn good against us.

small shifty WR beat us again. Almost had a deep bomb or two as well. thank god amendola wasnt active or we would've been killed
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Told you guys Chris Givens was a sleeper....Looked damn good against us.

OK MD.
Both Watt and Miller had epic games today. Two horse race at this point for DPOY going Into the last four games.
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Watt, Miller & Smith had epic games today. Three way race at this point for DPOY going Into the last four games.

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[ Edited by Jcool on Dec 2, 2012 at 8:10 PM ]
Originally posted by Jcool:
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While Smith racked up another sack, to continue his league lead, Watt and Miller created some distance this week. Miller had a sack, forced fumble and pick six. Watt had a sack, forced fumble, two deflections including one that was picked, drew two holding calls, three tackles for loss and another sack on fourth down that was credited as a team sack. Epic performance. In a normal year, Smith might be the front runner, but Watt and Miller's overall play in 2012 has been off the charts.
Hey MD, Watt would have been a great pick. But if the 49ers selected him, who would have played OLB? Would they have drafted one in the later rounds that year or one last year?
Originally posted by FunkNinerFlex:
Hey MD, Watt would have been a great pick. But if the 49ers selected him, who would have played OLB? Would they have drafted one in the later rounds that year or one last year?

They could have picked up KC's Justin Houston who was a third rounder last year, in Smith's draft. Houston has 10 sacks in 2012. The difference between Smith and Houston is sizable, but the difference between Watt and any other 3-4 DE is astronomical.
[ Edited by MadDog49er on Dec 3, 2012 at 7:14 PM ]
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I think there are many fans on this board who don't understand the mindboggling numbers that Watt is posting, especially at the 3-4 DE position.

Think about the most dominating 3-4 DE's of this generation. Here is a quick list:
1. Richard Seymour
2. Justin Smith
3. Haloti Ngata
4. Aaron Smith

Please add one if I have forgotten someone else:

Let'e break each one down:
1. Seymour is probably a first ballot Hall of Famer. Taking the best of his stats from any year as a 3-4 DE in NE, here is what you get:
Best sack year (8 sacks in 2003 and 2008); Pass deflected (8 in 2003 and 2006); Tackles (57 in 2003); Stop for Loss (7 in 2002)

2. Justin Smith. Possibly a Hall of Famer some day. Taking the best of his stats from any year as a 3-4 DE in SF:
Best sack year (8.5 sacks in 2010); Pass deflected (3 in 2008); Tackles (73 in 2008); Stop for Loss (5 in 2010)

3. Haloti Ngata. Probably a Hall of Famer some day. Taking the best of his stats from any year as a 3-4 DE in Baltimore:
Best sack year (5.5 sacks in 2010); Pass deflected (5 in 2008, 2010, 2011); Tackles (64 in 2008); Stop for Loss (5 in 2008, 2009, 2010)

4. Aaron Smith- Possibly a Hall of Famer some day. Taking the best of his stats from any year as a 3-4 DE in Pittsburgh:
Best sack year (8 sacks in 2001 and 2004); Pass deflected (7 in 2003); Tackles (70 in 2002); Stop for Loss (10 in 2002)

***JJ Watt, in 12 games in only the 2012 year****
Sacks (15.5); Pass deflected (15); Tackles (59); Stop for loss (14). If Watt did not play another game in 2012, he would only be behind in one category: tackles. He would still have more sacks, deflections, and stop for loss in this year versus all of the best years of the other athletes.


He is on track to the equivalent of a QB throwing for 9,000 yards in a season, or a RB running for 3500 yards. It is that crazy. He is on pace for 20.5 sacks. We are talking about a 3-4 DE, not an edge rusher.

Updated from earlier in this thread.
I love Aldon Smith, but JJ Watt is most deserving of defensive player of the year. Possibly the most deserving ever. If he was playing for us he would be "The greatest defensive player of all timez!"
I HOPE Aldon gets the award because Im a Niner fan, I try to be unbiased as possible though and can clearly see that Watt should get it.

I dont think I'd say that I wish we had Watt over Aldon Smith because who knows if Watt would be playing like that here and I cant assume he would, its possible they still would have extended McDonald and Watt would be a backup.
[ Edited by btthepunk on Dec 4, 2012 at 9:25 AM ]
Originally posted by btthepunk:
I love Aldon Smith, but JJ Watt is most deserving of defensive player of the year. Possibly the most deserving ever. If he was playing for us he would be "The greatest defensive player of all timez!"
I HOPE Aldon gets the award because Im a Niner fan, I try to be unbiased as possible though and can clearly see that Watt should get it.

I dont think I'd say that I wish we had Watt or Smith because who knows if Watt would be playing like that here and I cant assume he would, its possible they still would have extended McDonald and Watt would be a backup.
Watt has had a great year so far, and has posted some great stats.

Aldon has posted some pretty good stats himself. He clearly belongs in any conversation about DPOY awards, along with Von Miller.

But really, that's just a conversation. Who cares who wins it--I'd much rather see the team win, and I'm guessing the players feel the same way.

To that end, I'll take Justin Smith over Watt everyday. Justin sets the standard for team play, even if it means someone else gets the recognition and the glory.

I believe the last sentence of your post is correct. As well as Watt has played this year, statistically, he would not be starting over Justin Smith on the Niners. Watt's still got some things to learn--and I'm not saying he won't learn them, but he's not quite yet on the same level as Justin Smith. IMHO.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by FunkNinerFlex:
Hey MD, Watt would have been a great pick. But if the 49ers selected him, who would have played OLB? Would they have drafted one in the later rounds that year or one last year?

They could have picked up KC's Justin Houston who was a third rounder last year, in Smith's draft. Houston has 10 sacks in 2012. The difference between Smith and Houston is sizable, but the difference between Watt and any other 3-4 DE is astronomical.
I love Aldon but I did want Houston in the draft badly
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by FunkNinerFlex:
Hey MD, Watt would have been a great pick. But if the 49ers selected him, who would have played OLB? Would they have drafted one in the later rounds that year or one last year?

They could have picked up KC's Justin Houston who was a third rounder last year, in Smith's draft. Houston has 10 sacks in 2012. The difference between Smith and Houston is sizable, but the difference between Watt and any other 3-4 DE is astronomical.
I love Aldon but I did want Houston in the draft badly

Yeah I thought he was gonna be good. If it werent for getting caught with weed he wouldve went much higher in the draft. I think I had him as a late first early second rounder.
He was born in Chico.