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MadDog's Niners Draft Grade and Analysis for 2012 NFL Draft

  • buck
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Originally posted by English:
Does this mean that this thread can finally move on and discuss football rather than individual posters?

How about we keep it on track? Thanks.

There is a full schedule of FBS, FCS, and D2 football today.

Looking forward to seeing how the prospects play.
  • fryet
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Aldon pick is looking like less of a winner today. Although I still think that Kap + Aldon > Watt.
Originally posted by fryet:
Aldon pick is looking like less of a winner today. Although I still think that Kap + Aldon > Watt.

Could have had Kap + Watt. Baalke picked Aldon over Watt.

I think Aldon has the ability to be one of the greats. Just look at what he's done his first 2 years. I think Baalke picked the right guy, but he has to clean up these off the field issues. Just imagine what a machine he would be if he wasn't spending his spare time getting drunk and high.
Looking back, should be f-


Might have been Seahawks best draft and why they are so ahead of us now
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Looking back, should be f-


Might have been Seahawks best draft and why they are so ahead of us now

You're on the wrong forum...you are lost...should be over at .nut.
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Looking back, should be f-


Might have been Seahawks best draft and why they are so ahead of us now

Actually the reason they are ahead of us is their coaching staff actually knows how to develop an offensive skill player.
Holy moly Back to the Future, I thought MDs 2015 draft grade threat got 43 pages long, then realized someone bumped a thread from 2012, damn I need to get new glasses, lol.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Looking back, should be f-


Might have been Seahawks best draft and why they are so ahead of us now

You're on the wrong forum...you are lost...should be over at .nut.


not sure if you gave the same corny response to our savior Jed

"You look at Seattle," York said. "They have a fairly simple philosophy on both sides of the ball. But they let their players make plays. There is something to be said for that. I think you'll see a lot of that from us."
I wasn't a fan of the 2012 draft but gave Baalke the benefit of the doubt at the time due to the success of 2010 and 2011. Obviously it became a big disaster and quick. Still I feel much better about 2015 draft than I did about 2012.

I think we made the mistake in that draft by addressing something which we didn't know how to properly utilize - speed. We were a "punch them in the face" type of team both on offense and defense. Jenkins and James were both fast but soft, Jenkins just didn't have it mentally but we didn't exactly go out of our way to give him a chance.

This year while the picks may not be sexy or well known vs what people expected/wanted the picks at least fit our mentality of hard nosed football. Not to mention our coaches now are much better capable of coaching up the positions we addressed then what we had in 2012.

Still..as someone pointed out while one draft doesn't make or break a team especially when picking so low Seattle definitely hit it out of the park in this draft while we took a step back somewhat. A do over would certainly be nice.

But that Seattle draft class also was hated by everyone including their own fan base at the time. Something to think about when everyone around here screams bloody murder at this latest 49ers class.
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Looking back, should be f-


Might have been Seahawks best draft and why they are so ahead of us now

You're on the wrong forum...you are lost...should be over at .nut.


not sure if you gave the same corny response to our savior Jed

"You look at Seattle," York said. "They have a fairly simple philosophy on both sides of the ball. But they let their players make plays. There is something to be said for that. I think you'll see a lot of that from us."

He's talking about COACHING...not the DRAFT. And he's right. Which is why we made a coaching change to get back to that.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Looking back, should be f-


Might have been Seahawks best draft and why they are so ahead of us now

You're on the wrong forum...you are lost...should be over at .nut.


not sure if you gave the same corny response to our savior Jed

"You look at Seattle," York said. "They have a fairly simple philosophy on both sides of the ball. But they let their players make plays. There is something to be said for that. I think you'll see a lot of that from us."

He's talking about COACHING...not the DRAFT. And he's right. Which is why we made a coaching change to get back to that.

Doesn't take a mediocre owner to see Baalke struck out in 2012.

Or does it?
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Looking back, should be f-


Might have been Seahawks best draft and why they are so ahead of us now

You're on the wrong forum...you are lost...should be over at .nut.

Because he expressed an easily supportable opinion? It's not your place to be telling people where they should post.
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Doesn't take a mediocre owner to see Baalke struck out in 2012.

Or does it?

No, but it sure as hell takes a blind one.
For perspective (grades all over the map):

Arizona Cardinals – 7 Draft Picks
1. D.J. Humphries, OT, Florida (24)
2. Markus Golden, DE/OLB, Missouri (58)
3. David Johnson, RB, Northern Iowa (86)
4. Rodney Gunter, DE, Delaware State (116)
5. Shaquille Riddick, OLB, West Virginia (158)
5. J.J. Nelson, WR, UAB (159)
7. Gerald Christian, TE, Louisville (256)
CBS Sports Grade: B
ESPN Grade: C
NFL.com Grade: A
Rotoworld Grade: D
SB Nation Grade: B-
Sports Illustrated Grade: B
Yahoo Sports Grade: C

Notes: Most draft analysts had Humphries ranked as a top-three tackle in the draft, and he will likely be starting Week 1 ... Golden went earlier than expected but will provide depth to the Cardinals pass rush at outside linebacker … With running back Andre Ellington struggling to stay healthy, Johnson might be Arizona's answer for a stable, workhorse back, something they haven't had since Edgerrin James … J.J. Nelson's 40-yard dash time of 4.29 seconds was the fastest at the 2015 NFL Scouting Combine.

Seattle Seahawks – 8 Draft Picks
2. Frank Clark, DE, Michigan (63)
3. Tyler Lockett, WR, Kansas State (69)
4. Terry Poole, OT, San Diego State (130)
4. Mark Glowinski, G, West Virginia (134)
5. Tye Smith, CB, Towson (170)
6. Obum Gwacham, OLB, Oregon State (209)
6. Kristjan Sokoli, DT, Buffalo (214)
7. Ryan Murphy, S, Oregon State (248)

CBS Sports Grade: B-
ESPN Grade: A-
NFL.com Grade: C-
Rotoworld Grade: B-
SB Nation Grade: C
Sports Illustrated Grade: B-
Yahoo Sports Grade: D

Notes: It's very clear what grades slotted tight end Jimmy Graham as the Seahawks first-round pick … Clark comes to Seattle with plenty of talent as a pass-rusher but also plenty of baggage amidst domestic violence allegations … ESPN's Mel Kiper said Lockett was one of his favorite picks of the draft. Lockett's 1,515 receiving yards (he also caught 11 touchdowns) in 2014 ranked third in college football … Poole and Glowinski are both likely to compete for starting jobs in Week 1.

St. Louis Rams – 9 Draft Picks
1. Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia (10)
2. Rob Havenstein, OT, Wisconsin (57)
3. Jamon Brown, OT/G, Louisville (72)
3. Sean Mannion, QB, Oregon State (89)
4. Andrew Donnal, OT, Iowa (119)
6. Bud Sasser, WR, Missouri (201)
6. Cody Wichmann, G, Fresno State (215)
7. Bryce Hager, ILB, Baylor (224)
7. Martin Ifedi, DE, Memphis (227)

CBS Sports Grade: B
ESPN Grade: C
NFL.com Grade: C
Rotoworld Grade: C
SB Nation Grade: C
Sports Illustrated Grade: A
Yahoo Sports Grade: B

Notes: Gurley's knee is said to be progressing better than expected, well enough to make the Rams feel comfortable spending a top-10 pick on the talented running back. Many analysts have called Gurley a once-in-a-decade 'back. The 49ers have the fortune (or misfortune) of seeing him twice a year now … Havenstein is a solid right tackle and is already slated to start opposite 2014 first-round pick Greg Robinson … Mannion was one of the draft's surprises, being taken as the third quarterback after Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota. He'll have a spot on the roster and could see playing time as a rookie should expected starter Nick Foles go down with an injury as he did in 2014.

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/NFC-West-Report-Draft-Grades-Around-the-Division/970204bb-3392-49dc-8234-accd673db024
Originally posted by NCommand:
For perspective (grades all over the map):

Arizona Cardinals – 7 Draft Picks
1. D.J. Humphries, OT, Florida (24)
2. Markus Golden, DE/OLB, Missouri (58)
3. David Johnson, RB, Northern Iowa (86)
4. Rodney Gunter, DE, Delaware State (116)
5. Shaquille Riddick, OLB, West Virginia (158)
5. J.J. Nelson, WR, UAB (159)
7. Gerald Christian, TE, Louisville (256)
CBS Sports Grade: B
ESPN Grade: C
NFL.com Grade: A
Rotoworld Grade: D
SB Nation Grade: B-
Sports Illustrated Grade: B
Yahoo Sports Grade: C

Notes: Most draft analysts had Humphries ranked as a top-three tackle in the draft, and he will likely be starting Week 1 ... Golden went earlier than expected but will provide depth to the Cardinals pass rush at outside linebacker … With running back Andre Ellington struggling to stay healthy, Johnson might be Arizona's answer for a stable, workhorse back, something they haven't had since Edgerrin James … J.J. Nelson's 40-yard dash time of 4.29 seconds was the fastest at the 2015 NFL Scouting Combine.

Seattle Seahawks – 8 Draft Picks
2. Frank Clark, DE, Michigan (63)
3. Tyler Lockett, WR, Kansas State (69)
4. Terry Poole, OT, San Diego State (130)
4. Mark Glowinski, G, West Virginia (134)
5. Tye Smith, CB, Towson (170)
6. Obum Gwacham, OLB, Oregon State (209)
6. Kristjan Sokoli, DT, Buffalo (214)
7. Ryan Murphy, S, Oregon State (248)

CBS Sports Grade: B-
ESPN Grade: A-
NFL.com Grade: C-
Rotoworld Grade: B-
SB Nation Grade: C
Sports Illustrated Grade: B-
Yahoo Sports Grade: D

Notes: It's very clear what grades slotted tight end Jimmy Graham as the Seahawks first-round pick … Clark comes to Seattle with plenty of talent as a pass-rusher but also plenty of baggage amidst domestic violence allegations … ESPN's Mel Kiper said Lockett was one of his favorite picks of the draft. Lockett's 1,515 receiving yards (he also caught 11 touchdowns) in 2014 ranked third in college football … Poole and Glowinski are both likely to compete for starting jobs in Week 1.

St. Louis Rams – 9 Draft Picks
1. Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia (10)
2. Rob Havenstein, OT, Wisconsin (57)
3. Jamon Brown, OT/G, Louisville (72)
3. Sean Mannion, QB, Oregon State (89)
4. Andrew Donnal, OT, Iowa (119)
6. Bud Sasser, WR, Missouri (201)
6. Cody Wichmann, G, Fresno State (215)
7. Bryce Hager, ILB, Baylor (224)
7. Martin Ifedi, DE, Memphis (227)

CBS Sports Grade: B
ESPN Grade: C
NFL.com Grade: C
Rotoworld Grade: C
SB Nation Grade: C
Sports Illustrated Grade: A
Yahoo Sports Grade: B

Notes: Gurley's knee is said to be progressing better than expected, well enough to make the Rams feel comfortable spending a top-10 pick on the talented running back. Many analysts have called Gurley a once-in-a-decade 'back. The 49ers have the fortune (or misfortune) of seeing him twice a year now … Havenstein is a solid right tackle and is already slated to start opposite 2014 first-round pick Greg Robinson … Mannion was one of the draft's surprises, being taken as the third quarterback after Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota. He'll have a spot on the roster and could see playing time as a rookie should expected starter Nick Foles go down with an injury as he did in 2014.

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/NFC-West-Report-Draft-Grades-Around-the-Division/970204bb-3392-49dc-8234-accd673db024

Kinda looks like you're lost now man...this thread is about the 2012 draft.