:::OFFICiAL::: 2012 NFL SCOUTING COMBINE THREAD

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by Travisty13:
I tend to disagree. He's a physical corner that is a solid tackler (49ers type of CB), while Rainey made him look bad during the Senior Bowl, Rainey made every CB look bad. I'll admit Hayward isn't a burner, but he is always in good position. All he seems to do is get INTs (paraphrasing "all Cris Carter does is catch TDs"). 13 INTs the last 2 years, over 20+ Pass Defended the last 2. Even had an INT in the Senior Bowl. I'd take the kid in a heartbeat.

He's a stiffy in the hips. I just don't see the ability to flip quickly. He's just not smooth in that regard. I grade him as a 4th rounder at best, and I think the transition is going to be rough for him.

Yeah, I was just thinkin' "I could go for a nice stiffy in the hips" ... Uhhhhhh... I mean I could give a nice stiffy in the hips... to a chick... Aw crap!

Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:

Originally posted by hofer36:
from a scinetific, physiological standpoint, can you explain how a player would run faster when he puts the pads on (not being a smart ass here, id like to know)

1. Everyone runs slower in pads, but others have less of a drop off.

2. The adrenaline pumped during the game-time situation causes higher energy output, which is increased when you're trying to avoid/catch a person, whatever position you're in.

3. Most football players aren't necessarily track stars (and vice versa). Both require specific techniques. Running post/cross/timing routes don't coincide with a great straight running approach. Also, the ability to keep going even after contact is another specific skill.

4. People tend to run faster when being chased down...

Playing speed is also based on your grasp of the system you are playing. If you know the routes well, you do not to think about play you can just run it.

Tommy Streeter ran fast, but he apparently looks slower on the field. The U changed their offense this season. He has basically only played for two years--each year with a different system.

Michael Irving felt that once Streeter was familiar with an offensive system and his role in that system, his playing speed would reflect his physical capacity.

Originally posted by buck:
Playing speed is also based on your grasp of the system you are playing. If you know the routes well, you do not to think about play you can just run it.

Tommy Streeter ran fast, but he apparently looks slower on the field. The U changed their offense this season. He has basically only played for two years--each year with a different system.

Michael Irving felt that once Streeter was familiar with an offensive system and his role in that system, his playing speed would reflect his physical capacity.

Irvin is a homer: Cowboys and Hurricanes. That said, I get your point and agree w/it philosophically. I don't know how much of what we saw today came from unfamiliarity. You would think he'd be running those routes 100 times a day getting ready for this, but those breaks just looked BAD today, and I was on the Streeter bandwagon at 62 or 94.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by buck:
Playing speed is also based on your grasp of the system you are playing. If you know the routes well, you do not to think about play you can just run it.

Tommy Streeter ran fast, but he apparently looks slower on the field. The U changed their offense this season. He has basically only played for two years--each year with a different system.

Michael Irving felt that once Streeter was familiar with an offensive system and his role in that system, his playing speed would reflect his physical capacity.

Irvin is a homer: Cowboys and Hurricanes. That said, I get your point and agree w/it philosophically. I don't know how much of what we saw today came from unfamiliarity. You would think he'd be running those routes 100 times a day getting ready for this, but those breaks just looked BAD today, and I was on the Streeter bandwagon at 62 or 94.

you ain't lying

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by buck:
Playing speed is also based on your grasp of the system you are playing. If you know the routes well, you do not to think about play you can just run it.

Tommy Streeter ran fast, but he apparently looks slower on the field. The U changed their offense this season. He has basically only played for two years--each year with a different system.

Michael Irving felt that once Streeter was familiar with an offensive system and his role in that system, his playing speed would reflect his physical capacity.

Irvin is a homer: Cowboys and Hurricanes. That said, I get your point and agree w/it philosophically. I don't know how much of what we saw today came from unfamiliarity. You would think he'd be running those routes 100 times a day getting ready for this, but those breaks just looked BAD today, and I was on the Streeter bandwagon at 62 or 94.

First,I understand that Irving is a homer. As of today, I do think Streeter could be one of those dreaded reaches in the second, but our pick is at the end of the second, almost a third round pick, so tend to vacillate a bit on my placement of Streeter. His long potential is very high, so if we get receiver in free agency, I would be more willing to make that reach.

I also thought in general terms the second group, and I am pretty sure Streeter was in the second group, did not look as crisp as the first group. My sense that it was a was a very long day for the second group of receivers. I find waiting to perform can be both physically and mentally exhausting.

Originally posted by buck:
First,I understand that Irving is a homer. As of today, I do think Streeter could be one of those dreaded reaches in the second, but our pick is at the end of the second, almost a third round pick, so tend to vacillate a bit on my placement of Streeter. His long potential is very high, so if we get receiver in free agency, I would be more willing to make that reach.

I also thought in general terms the second group, and I am pretty sure Streeter was in the second group, did not look as crisp as the first group. My sense that it was a was a very long day for the second group of receivers. I find waiting to perform can be both physically and mentally exhausting.

Cialis

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Cialis

For when the moment is right.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by Travisty13:
I tend to disagree. He's a physical corner that is a solid tackler (49ers type of CB), while Rainey made him look bad during the Senior Bowl, Rainey made every CB look bad. I'll admit Hayward isn't a burner, but he is always in good position. All he seems to do is get INTs (paraphrasing "all Cris Carter does is catch TDs"). 13 INTs the last 2 years, over 20+ Pass Defended the last 2. Even had an INT in the Senior Bowl. I'd take the kid in a heartbeat.

He's a stiffy in the hips. I just don't see the ability to flip quickly. He's just not smooth in that regard. I grade him as a 4th rounder at best, and I think the transition is going to be rough for him.

Yeah, I was just thinkin' "I could go for a nice stiffy in the hips" ... Uhhhhhh... I mean I could give a nice stiffy in the hips... to a chick... Aw crap!

Lol at the "i" being lowercase

I had a dream that we took Hill. I creamed my pants when we took him. Man, I hoping NE doesn't take him right ahead of us.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Posted in the OTC Draft Blog: http://draft watchers.com/node/1136

Nice of you to help out AB. Site looks a lot better than it use to.

Robert Turbin and Trumaine Johnson. Two guys I want the niners to draft. I mean this in the best way but I hope Turbin didnt increase his stock soo much that somebody gets him before the niners do. Depending on how Johnson does, he may not make it past the 3rd.

Jake Bequette runs a 4.78... nothing wrong with that.

Andre Branch runs 4.62... 3 false starts and on the 3rd, they just let him go, lol.

Quinton Coples runs 4.75

Mike Brockers runs 5.37, but had a really good 10 split

Fletcher Cox runs 4.79... wow.. did I see that right?

Jack Crawford runs 4.78

Jared Crick runs 4.97

Vinny Curry runs a 4.97... ick

Trevor Guyton runs a 5.10

Melvin Ingram runs a 4.66... very nice

Bruce Irvin... looking too lean... runs a 4.50

Malik Jackson runs a 4.93

Cam Johnson runs a solid 4.75

Chandler Jones runs a 4.85... ick.