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Tommy Streeter WR in the second.

This guy reminds me of AJ Green but raw. Les grab dis betch!!
Originally posted by jreff22:
Luckily this draft looks loaded with WR's so we should be able to sit and wait and have them come to us. The Senior Bowl and Combine will be interesting this year, especially the 40 times. Problem with Streeter is he may run fast enough to be out of reach in the 2nd. If we are indeed drafting late 1st you have to look at that pick as an early 2nd as well....now in the 2nd that pick is also more like an early 3rd, will Streeter last that long? Is a 6'4 WR who runs like the wind going to fall to the 60's, I don't think so.

I would rather trade back, take the additional 2nd and 3rd and have trade ammo if we need to move around.

But Streeter is a good prospect to keep an eye on

Unless someone who is a top 15 talent falls to the Niners at 30 (which has certainly happened before)...then I like the above strategy.

The Patriots have benefited from a similar approach in the past when they have picked late in the first round.
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by smacII:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
are you INSANE?

No way this guy is a 2nd round talent, day 3 at best for me right now
My sanity is questionable.

Where Streeter is right now is not important. Where he is at the draft is important.

If he runs well, he should pick a good pick for us on the second day of the draft .

he's not NFL ready at this moment, shouldn't have declared to be honest. He's not ready to make an immediate impact, and that is what we need from a WR in this draft.

I'd much rather have a guy like Criner or Quick if you're looking to target 6'4" guys
I really like Streeter. With our coaching we could develop him. IMO he doesn't need to be fully ready next year, but ready the year after that. He will spend some time his rookie year as a backup developing chemistry with our future, Kaep. Then when Kaep is ready, Streeter will be also. Streeters best attribute is stretching the field and Kaep is great at intermediate & deep balls. I think it would be a great match.

that's fine and dandy, I like the idea, except we do need a WR that's fully ready to contribute regularly next year

Exactly... Even though the Niners have a relatively young team, the window for winning SBs is often very small so they need to get at least 2 wideouts on the team next season who are ready to contribute immediately....and I'm not just talking about the addition of a healthy Joshua Morgan.

Streeter may be a nice talent but it appears he is a ways away from making a significant contribution on an NFL roster....

More than likely, the Niners will have to get one of those WRs from free agency.......Manningham anyone?
Originally posted by nw9erfan:
Exactly... Even though the Niners have a relatively young team, the window for winning SBs is often very small so they need to get at least 2 wideouts on the team next season who are ready to contribute immediately....and I'm not just talking about the addition of a healthy Joshua Morgan.

Streeter may be a nice talent but it appears he is a ways away from making a significant contribution on an NFL roster....

More than likely, the Niners will have to get one of those WRs from free agency.......Manningham anyone?

They said the same thing about Aldon Smith, Chris Culliver, and Bruce Miller. Point is, we got COACHES now.
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
are you INSANE?

No way this guy is a 2nd round talent, day 3 at best for me right now
My sanity is questionable.

Where Streeter is right now is not important. Where he is at the draft is important.

If he runs well, he should pick a good pick for us on the second day of the draft .

he's not NFL ready at this moment, shouldn't have declared to be honest. He's not ready to make an immediate impact, and that is what we need from a WR in this draft.

I'd much rather have a guy like Criner or Quick if you're looking to target 6'4" guys

Totally agree his hands are suspect and he needs to be able use his size better. If he gets jammed up he loses to much momentum and his routes need alot of work. Too risky for a 1st or 2nd rd pick imo. Even with a fast 40 those hands n routes are pretty rough. Needs another year of college or 2 years on the bench imo.
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
They said the same thing about Aldon Smith, Chris Culliver, and Bruce Miller. Point is, we got COACHES now.

This. Streeter practically screams Harbaugh special. Raw talent with a TON of potential. Guy could be a legit #1 with the right coaching and development. Fleener in the 1st, Streeter in the 2nd, center/guard or cornerback in the 3rd and then spend the rest of the draft acquiring depth at various areas.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
They said the same thing about Aldon Smith, Chris Culliver, and Bruce Miller. Point is, we got COACHES now.

This. Streeter practically screams Harbaugh special. Raw talent with a TON of potential. Guy could be a legit #1 with the right coaching and development. Fleener in the 1st, Streeter in the 2nd, center/guard or cornerback in the 3rd and then spend the rest of the draft acquiring depth at various areas.

I would be a very happy fan with that scenario
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
This. Streeter practically screams Harbaugh special. Raw talent with a TON of potential. Guy could be a legit #1 with the right coaching and development. Fleener in the 1st, Streeter in the 2nd, center/guard or cornerback in the 3rd and then spend the rest of the draft acquiring depth at various areas.


Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
They said the same thing about Aldon Smith, Chris Culliver, and Bruce Miller. Point is, we got COACHES now.

This. Streeter practically screams Harbaugh special. Raw talent with a TON of potential. Guy could be a legit #1 with the right coaching and development. Fleener in the 1st, Streeter in the 2nd, center/guard or cornerback in the 3rd and then spend the rest of the draft acquiring depth at various areas.

We don't need another TE!!!!! That is not were we needed help. We need to draft for a lagit #1 WR. Mohamed Sanu or Alshon Jeffery in the 1st, and/or Nick Toon in the 2nd. From what I've studied unless there's a run on WR's Streeter will probably be there for us in the 3rd. I think Harbaugh and Co. will focus on team need and thats a big physical WR and CB/FS. To go for depth before addressing those needs will be foolish.
[ Edited by 9ersLiferInChicago on Jan 29, 2012 at 9:39 PM ]
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
This. Streeter practically screams Harbaugh special. Raw talent with a TON of potential. Guy could be a legit #1 with the right coaching and development. Fleener in the 1st, Streeter in the 2nd, center/guard or cornerback in the 3rd and then spend the rest of the draft acquiring depth at various areas.


Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
They said the same thing about Aldon Smith, Chris Culliver, and Bruce Miller. Point is, we got COACHES now.

This. Streeter practically screams Harbaugh special. Raw talent with a TON of potential. Guy could be a legit #1 with the right coaching and development. Fleener in the 1st, Streeter in the 2nd, center/guard or cornerback in the 3rd and then spend the rest of the draft acquiring depth at various areas.

We don't need another TE!!!!! That is not were we needed help. We need to draft for a lagit #1 WR. Mohamed Sanu or Alshon Jeffery in the 1st, and/or Nick Toon in the 2nd. From what I've studied unless there's a run on WR's Streeter will probably be there for us in the 3rd. I think Harbaugh and Co. will focus on team need and thats a big physical WR and CB/FS. To go for depth before addressing those needs will be foolish.

I think everyone's point is that you don't find sure-thing #1 WRs at the end of the round. I don't want Jeffery at all. He gets fat, runs lazy routes, and seems to play football because he has talent, not because he loves the game. He is just as likely to bust as he is to boom. Sanu is a lot of fun to watch, and I like his hands and quickness out of breaks, but he is not elusive in space and he doesn't have breakaway speed. He is projected to run 4.5-4.6 (same as Fleener's projections, which you say are too slow), and he is only 6-1 or 6-2 (depending on who you believe. I'm not beating the kid up, I said I like him, but I don't think he is remarkably better than what you would get in the 2nd-3rd rounds. Fleener (or someone like him) is. You could come away w/an elite TE at the same place that you could get a talented, but limited, WR. I think Joe Adams in the 2nd-3rd has just as much chance to blow up the offense as Sanu in the 1st. He isn't big, but Fleener is . Streeter is an elite talent who is raw. He is one of the few WR in the draft who has the physical potential to be a game-breaking #1 in the league. WILL he be? Who knows? That's what you get when the first best few (or 1, in this draft) are gone. I believe in our coaches, and I think they develop raw potential in a hurry (Aldon Smith, Chris Culliver). I think Streeter has a better chance than most in the draft to be dominant in a couple of years, but he shouldn't be picked in the first round, because he hasn't done it yet.

Incidentally, if you really like Toon in the 2nd (I don't know a lot about him yet, myself), why not take Fleener in the 1st?
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
This. Streeter practically screams Harbaugh special. Raw talent with a TON of potential. Guy could be a legit #1 with the right coaching and development. Fleener in the 1st, Streeter in the 2nd, center/guard or cornerback in the 3rd and then spend the rest of the draft acquiring depth at various areas.


Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
They said the same thing about Aldon Smith, Chris Culliver, and Bruce Miller. Point is, we got COACHES now.

This. Streeter practically screams Harbaugh special. Raw talent with a TON of potential. Guy could be a legit #1 with the right coaching and development. Fleener in the 1st, Streeter in the 2nd, center/guard or cornerback in the 3rd and then spend the rest of the draft acquiring depth at various areas.

We don't need another TE!!!!! That is not were we needed help. We need to draft for a lagit #1 WR. Mohamed Sanu or Alshon Jeffery in the 1st, and/or Nick Toon in the 2nd. From what I've studied unless there's a run on WR's Streeter will probably be there for us in the 3rd. I think Harbaugh and Co. will focus on team need and thats a big physical WR and CB/FS. To go for depth before addressing those needs will be foolish.

a agree but if

wright sanu floyd blackmn oe jeffery arent there i wouldnt mind going fleener in 1st and WR in 2nd

i am actually in favour of trading up and getting floyd this draft or even wright if we get a big bodied WR
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
According to WalterFootball.com he runs a 4.52 on the 40yd dash. Which may not be far from 4.3 or 4.4 just by looking at the numbers but in real life its a big big difference. So he has decent speed but not killer speed. He should be able to fall in the middle of the second round with all the talent at WR in this years draft, ofcourse unless he shines at the combine and at pro-day workouts.

If we want speed and size with good hands then we should check out this kid from Indiana: Demarlo Belcher, hes 6-5, 214 lbs and runs a 4.44 on the 40yd dash. He's a sleeper and a lot of scouts is over looking him because he's from a school that hardly gets any media attention. We can probably snatch him at the end of the 2nd round or he might even be available in the 3rd or 4th round.

You are not kidding about Demarlo Belcher. I just looked him up. The dude is extremley talented and would be a 1st rounder if it wasn't for all his off field concerns. The dude is trouble on and outside the locker room. He's been suspended multiple times. And got kicked off the team this past October
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
According to WalterFootball.com he runs a 4.52 on the 40yd dash. Which may not be far from 4.3 or 4.4 just by looking at the numbers but in real life its a big big difference. So he has decent speed but not killer speed. He should be able to fall in the middle of the second round with all the talent at WR in this years draft, ofcourse unless he shines at the combine and at pro-day workouts.

If we want speed and size with good hands then we should check out this kid from Indiana: Demarlo Belcher, hes 6-5, 214 lbs and runs a 4.44 on the 40yd dash. He's a sleeper and a lot of scouts is over looking him because he's from a school that hardly gets any media attention. We can probably snatch him at the end of the 2nd round or he might even be available in the 3rd or 4th round.

You are not kidding about Demarlo Belcher. I just looked him up. The dude is extremley talented and would be a 1st rounder if it wasn't for all his off field concerns. The dude is trouble on and outside the locker room. He's been suspended multiple times. And got kicked off the team this past October
Good post and very good feedback. I really got a llot out oif this.

I think we all would agree that quality coaching is THE difference maker. I recall many people said Mike Wallace would be mediocre at best. Quality coaching made him a premiere reciever that must get double-teamed.

Does Streeter have that potential? If not - who does?
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
According to WalterFootball.com he runs a 4.52 on the 40yd dash. Which may not be far from 4.3 or 4.4 just by looking at the numbers but in real life its a big big difference. So he has decent speed but not killer speed. He should be able to fall in the middle of the second round with all the talent at WR in this years draft, ofcourse unless he shines at the combine and at pro-day workouts.

If we want speed and size with good hands then we should check out this kid from Indiana: Demarlo Belcher, hes 6-5, 214 lbs and runs a 4.44 on the 40yd dash. He's a sleeper and a lot of scouts is over looking him because he's from a school that hardly gets any media attention. We can probably snatch him at the end of the 2nd round or he might even be available in the 3rd or 4th round.


WalterFootball is the worst site to rely on
Originally posted by vrabbit:
are you INSANE?

No way this guy is a 2nd round talent, day 3 at best for me right now

Where did you get this notion from? If he has a good combine he'll get drafted in the mid-late 2nd on potential alone.
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