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If we got the 1st pick next year, do we take Luck even though we've got Kap?

If we get the first pick it doesn't matter.
Originally posted by communist:
Originally posted by DarthNiner:

Sounds like the Brady/Cassell situation two years ago.
neither brady nor cassel were drafted high...


And they weren't drafted in consecutive years, but the point is the understudy (Cassell) was coveted as a starter by more than one team which netted NE a nice haul.
There's going to be teams tanking to get him. Book it. In order for us to be picking 1st every single dominoe has to fall. Smith sucking, horrendous start, and alot of injuries.

If it does happen I'm on the fence whether to take him or trade that pick. He's going to be the most sought after rookie since Manning. Eli was traded for an additional future 1st, 3rd and a 5th. Quite the dilemma. Maybe it's just me but personally I'm just hoping that Harbaugh can develop Kaep into what he made Luck.

[ Edited by tjd808185 on May 5, 2011 at 15:11:18 ]
Originally posted by a24hrdad:
Mark this down, "Luck's status will drop this season". New HC, new OC new offense. That plus how many sure fire #1 QB's that decided to stay in college kept that spot the next year?

I think we have a good chance to draft him next season. If we draft him or not, I think depends on the QB play this season.

If Locker can go as high as he did, I really doubt that Luck will drop much, simply cause he comes from a pro system and people will give him a pass with a change in coaches.

Bigger concern is that if we end up with the number one pick, Harbaugh is not what we thought. He should do no worse than last year.
Yes we would pick him.

No we won't have the #1 pick.

Kaep as other posters pointed out is a big project and projection. Far from a guarantee.
Hell yes we do! A franchise QB that already knows our playbook, sign me up!


I hope we don't get the #1 pick though.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Yes we would pick him.

No we won't have the #1 pick.

Kaep as other posters pointed out is a big project and projection. Far from a guarantee.
Originally posted by LionHeartofGold:
Originally posted by a24hrdad:
Mark this down, "Luck's status will drop this season". New HC, new OC new offense. That plus how many sure fire #1 QB's that decided to stay in college kept that spot the next year?

I think we have a good chance to draft him next season. If we draft him or not, I think depends on the QB play this season.

Luck is not going to fall unless he pulls a Jake Locker and demonstrates new inaccuracies in throwing the ball and poor mechanics. Also, no one else has the NFL measureables. He may not make as much money as #1 overall, but will be #1 overall without a doubt, especially if the first slotted team to make a pick needs a QB. Sorry

Matt Lienart anyone? Everyone said the same thing about him too. He decided to stay and he even still played well his senior season but his draft stock fell. Now lets look at Luck, he is in a much worse situation than Leinart was. Luck has a new coaching staff all around and will have to learn a new offense. Luck is still a kid and a developing QB. Stanford is also not the perennial powerhouse that is USC.

If Harbaugh stayed at Stanford I would say there was a CHANCE he could still be the top QB next year. The problem is like every year, too many people are blinded by the previous season.

Name me one college QB Junior who was the sure fire #1 pick who stayed for his Senior year and still came out #1. And I'm not talking about one of the top QB's, I mean QB's in whom there was no discussion about that he would be the top pick, clear and away considered a "sure thing" the previous year. Leinart, Brian Brohm? The draft is all about who is hot at the moment and given the changes Luck will have to endure he has a better chance of winning the Lotto.

[ Edited by a24hrdad on May 6, 2011 at 04:56:47 ]
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by a24hrdad:
Mark this down, "Luck's status will drop this season". New HC, new OC new offense. That plus how many sure fire #1 QB's that decided to stay in college kept that spot the next year?

I think we have a good chance to draft him next season. If we draft him or not, I think depends on the QB play this season.

If Locker can go as high as he did, I really doubt that Luck will drop much, simply cause he comes from a pro system and people will give him a pass with a change in coaches.

Bigger concern is that if we end up with the number one pick, Harbaugh is not what we thought. He should do no worse than last year.

If we had a full off-season I would agree. With a complete regimen change I don't see how would could get off to a great start. Like so many previous years we will likely get hot too late in the year.

Also see my other comment for a more thorough reason Luck will fall. (one up from this post)

[ Edited by a24hrdad on May 6, 2011 at 04:52:18 ]
hopefully this doesnt happen
absolutely
No, we would trade out of the spot for picks. Drafting Luck would be admitting that this year's #2 pick is already a failure, Harbaugh and Baalke are way too proud and confident in their abilities to do that.

Also, it would be nothing like Cassel... he was a 7th round pick to compete for the #2 job behind Tom Brady and the off-season before he broke out it was debated whether he could hold onto the #2 spot in training camp. Totally different situation here, the fan/media scrutiny and drama would be off the charts. If we didn't win instantly it would cause a rift between the fan base and a PR nightmare.

Luck is good, but if both him and CK realize their NFL potential... CK's ceiling is higher. CK can learn the football knowledge and field vision Luck has shown... but there ain't no learning the arm strength to throw a 94 mph fastball, being 6'5 and running a 4.5 40. Not to take anything away from Luck, he has all the measurables and is a stud and franchise QB... but CK is a better athlete. If JH can coach CK to read the field like Luck, it's gonna be a bright future in the bay.
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

And they weren't drafted in consecutive years, but the point is the understudy (Cassell) was coveted as a starter by more than one team which netted NE a nice haul.
and my point is that throwing a mid-round pick away is sth different than going 1st ovr for a qb. there is no comparison.

[ Edited by communist on May 6, 2011 at 07:42:11 ]
I don't know that this discussion is even worth having.


If is a big word...

What IF Harbaugh really is able to coach up Alex Smith and he becomes the QB we were promised when he was drafted with the #1 pick of the draft?

What if Colin works his way into the starting line up and looks like this years Sam Bradford?

If IF IF


Let's see how this season plays out a little more before we discuss Luck being drafted.


For the record, I think his stock will fall. He'll still be a 1st round pick...but I don't expect Stanford to have kind of season they had last season. It will hurt his stock regardless of how he performs.

[ Edited by Jakemall on May 6, 2011 at 10:03:16 ]