Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
OTC pretty much articulated, in a better way, much of my sentiments. Thanks.
I will add that whenever the Niners select a player, they suddenly become so much more talented than if another team selected them. Anyone skeptical can view the thread on which QB will be most successful in the draft....take a wild guess who is the runaway winner.
Aldon Smith was barely mentioned by any fan on this board, prior to the draft, and when the selection was made, the vast majority of fans were angry (99.9% of the OLB pre-draft chatter was centered on Quinn, not Smith). Suddenly, over the last week, he has become a star, and people will defend him as if he was their mother (I am not referring to any particular poster on this thread). I guess it is a natural reaction to think: "he is one of us, so he is better than one of you".
If you wanted an OLB for the 7th overall, I think you have the best player at that position on the board, which I have stated repeatedly. I graded Smith overall Quinn and the rest of the OLB prospects, and projected him at 11 to the Texans, who have a strong need for a 3-4 OLB. I just don't see the best value for the pick, as Smith is risky, as both OTC and I have articulated.
You're right . . . OTC said it better.
Have you considered the fact that, since he was drafted, there has been much more media attention and focus on Aldon Smith than there was before. He didn't suddenly "become a star," we've just learned more about him.
Some of us even want to discuss what we've learned about him, and share articles and clips we've seen. Go figure.
You claim that you had him ranked ahead of Quinn at OLB before the draft. Funny, I don't recall seeing you post that anywhere before the draft. Your pre-draft "Big Board" lists Quinn at #10 and Aldon Smith at #11. So your OLB ranking had them flip flopped? Where is that posted, btw.
Or have you committed that heinous crime you accuse the rest of the board of committing--suddenly you're more of a fan of Aldon Smith than you were before the draft!
Tsk, tsk. You bandwagon hopping, overly optimistic . . . fan, you! lol.
I think you misunderstand the Big Board that OTC and I put out. It is not ranking the players of the draft. It is where we believe the player will be selected. If you have followed me this offseason, you would surely know that I did not believe Cam Newton was the best player in the draft. He was in the first slot in my Big Board. I did think Quinn would be drafted one slot before Smith, but I graded Smith above Quinn.
I do have a Best Available Board, which is a ranking, but that is not the 254 Big Board that I regularly post.
As for the sudden interest in Smith from Niners' fans, more media attention does not make a player better. Just because more 49ers articles are written on him after the draft does not mean he runs faster, jumps higher, bends better, spins faster, hustles more, produces more. It just means that he is suddenly "ours", and all of the weaknesses or limitations he current possesses suddenly, magically disappears, because more attention is placed on him. In other words, why should opinion on Smith shift, suddenly because he is one of ours?He is the same player. Nobody sprinkled magic powder on him after the card was turned in. The same goes for the QB post. If Andy Dalton was the Niners' selection, he'd be at 80%, if Ricky Stanzi, 77%. If Tyrod Taylor, 60. If Fred Taylor of Florida International was picked as the last player in the draft, then maybe 50%.
I have argued this for years, players suddenly do not perform better because they put on a 49ers helmet. There is no magic in them.
Everyone understands the concept of the big board, yours, OTC's, and others'. Its just a potential draft order ranking, not a prediction of ability or eventual success. That being said, however, you ranked Quinn relatively high--as high as #7 at one point--in all the various versions of your "big board" from your "Top 100" board until your final "big board."
You initially had Aldon Smith as low as a 33rd overall pick, til he made it up to 11--still behind Quinn--on your last "big board." I understand, those were all "rankings," predictions of where a player might be drafted, not opinions or predictions of ability.
Kudos for seeing something in Aldon Smith and moving him up from the initial 33rd to 11th.
But you now say that you really thought Aldon Smith was a better OLB prospect than Quinn all along. You just didn't think the various NFL GMs, HCs and scouting departments would be able to figure that out?
Wouldn't you "rank" Aldon Smith higher than Quinn at some point if you really thought he's the better player or prospect?
Where is this "Best Available Board" where you ranked Aldon Smith ahead of Quinn at OLB even before the draft. I don't see it anywhere.
Its easy to understand that the draft doesn't suddenly make a guy into a better football player.
The draft didn't make Aldon Smith a star, it just made him a 49er. So guys on the board read up on him and compare notes. Suddenly there's alot more interest in him--after he's drafted. What a surprise. Go figure. Who wodda thought it.
Even you are now saying "I had him as the second best OLB prospect all along."
Based on that statement and all your prior posts, it appears that you're doing what you accuse others of doing--overstating what you think of the guy just because the Niner's drafted him.
Maybe you're more of a fan than you thought. There's nothing wrong with being a fan.
Would you be so kind as to provide the link to that predraft post of yours, where you have Aldon Smith as a better OLB prospect than Quinn? I've looked, but I cannot find it.