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Kiper's and McShay's final draft grades

Can anybody paraphrase Kipers and McShay's final draft grades?
Theres no such thing as a draft grade until at least a year after the draft, imo
kipers grades for 2011 are up on espn.com
Kiper gave us a C+. Says it was a little reach on Smith, but he would have not lasted much past 7. Said it was a reach on Colin but gives Harbaugh something to work with in developing his QB.
I personally don't friggin care what Darth Helmet or McShay say.
McShay and Kiper were 8/32 and 9/32 as far as picks, I bet there we ALOT of reaches in there opinion. I don't see how Aldon is a reach if the Cowboys could have easily taken him two picks later.
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Originally posted by 24plus25er:
McShay and Kiper were 8/32 and 9/32 as far as picks, I bet there we ALOT of reaches in there opinion. I don't see how Aldon is a reach if the Cowboys could have easily taken him two picks later.

That's like saying if the team at #6 would have taken darrius heyward- bey it wasn't s reach cause raiders was going to take him at #7
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Mel Kiper Jr. gave the San Francisco 49ers a C-plus grade for their efforts during the 2011 NFL draft. Four teams received lower grades.

Why the weak endorsement?

Kiper liked some of the 49ers' picks, including first-rounder Aldon Smith, but he thought the team reached for quarterback Colin Kaepernick in the second round. The 49ers traded up nine spots to draft Kaepernick because, in their view, they could not have drafted him later.

"Three, four teams were diving in to get him and we got him one pick before we couldn’t have gotten him," coach Jim Harbaugh said.

Kaepernick is the key variable for San Francisco in this draft. The better he fares, the better this draft class is going to look. Harbaugh deserves the benefit of the doubt when it comes to evaluating and developing quarterbacks. His ability to do those things stands out as the No. 1 reason the 49ers hired him. His background suggests he should know the position better than the analysts handing out grades. The glass is half full on Kaepernick.

Overall, the 49ers hit upon a couple of themes in this draft.

They wanted versatility and got it in Smith, a player they think can play multiple positions. They got it in Bruce Miller, who will play fullback after becoming the all-time sack leader at Central Florida. The 49ers see running back Kendall Hunter and receiver Ronald Johnson as four-down players. They project offensive linemen Daniel Kilgore and Mike Person as interior players, but both have experience at tackle. Cornerback Chris Culliver has played safety.

The 49ers, burned by Glen Coffee's retirement last year, were particular about getting players with unquestioned passion for the game. They placed gold stars next to roughly 45 players they considered meeting every aspect of all the criteria, on and off the field. They tried to target these players more heavily and said they came away with roughly twice as many as any team in the draft. Their own needs and biases slanted those evaluations, of course, and other teams might have singled out a different set of players. But you get the idea. This should be a lower-risk class if the 49ers were right.

Like Seattle, the 49ers did not come away with an interior defensive lineman (the Seahawks' Pep Levingston projects as a five-technique player along the lines of Red Bryant). Like Seattle, one of the 49ers' key veteran tackles is headed for free agency. General manager Trent Baalke joked that defensive line coach Jim Tomsula might have to suit up if nose tackle Aubrayo Franklin does not re-sign. Baalke's Seattle counterpart, John Schneider, likewise admitted there's more urgency to re-sign tackle Brandon Mebane after the Seahawks did not address the position.

No draft goes perfectly. The 49ers said they tried and failed to land fullback Owen Marecic, a player Harbaugh coached at Stanford. It's sometimes tough to know whether a coach is being generous in his praise for a former player. Seattle's Pete Carroll said nice things about Taylor Mays, but he clearly preferred Earl Thomas. In this case, the 49ers drafted Hunter at No. 115, then watched Cleveland take Marecic nine spots later. The 49ers had already traded the 141st pick in the move to get Kaepernick. After missing on Marecic, they traded up into the 163rd spot for Kilgore.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/37490/post-draft-grades-san-francisco-49ers
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
McShay and Kiper were 8/32 and 9/32 as far as picks, I bet there we ALOT of reaches in there opinion. I don't see how Aldon is a reach if the Cowboys could have easily taken him two picks later.

That's like saying if the team at #6 would have taken darrius heyward- bey it wasn't s reach cause raiders was going to take him at #7

Not at all. HB was a a reach specifically because no team was going to take him at 6, or 7, or 12, or 18, or 25 ... well maaaaaybe 25. If multiple teams wanted to take him that early, then you would be correct... it wouldn't be a reach. Cowboys and Texans (both teams that know something about drafting pass rushers and employ the 34 D) wanted him within a few picks. Making him NOT a reach.
After this draft and last year its clear that Baalke does not know how to work the draft. He reaches constantly through out the draft, hopefully his players turn out to be good or he's gonna look really bad.
Originally posted by susweel:
After this draft and last year its clear that Baalke does not know how to work the draft. He reaches constantly through out the draft, hopefully his players turn out to be good or he's gonna look really bad.

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Every GM, reaching or not, will look bad if his players don't "turn out to be good".

I really don't care if Baalke can "work a draft". I can that in a few years, the players produce up to his expectations.

The Cardinals usually take BPA and their drafts have turned out horrible.

There is no one way to "work a draft". Baalke did just fine.
Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Kiper gave us a C+. Says it was a little reach on Smith, but he would have not lasted much past 7. Said it was a reach on Colin but gives Harbaugh something to work with in developing his QB.
what the hell does kiper want from us? mr. draft expert himself should look at the board...after colin there wasnt any franchise-qb left in this class (ok, except for mallett).
HE says that aldon wouldnt last long and everyone knows that we wanted to trade down...and he complains about that pick anyway???

what a moron, really. c'mon mel, do it better plz.
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Originally posted by susweel:
After this draft and last year its clear that Baalke does not know how to work the draft. He reaches constantly through out the draft, hopefully his players turn out to be good or he's gonna look really bad.

Eh,I'm fine with "reaching" as long as there's something about a guy that, through film/seeing him in person/interviews, makes them way more excited than anyone else. Better to reach and get your guy than wait and hope he falls into your lap.

It's way too early but I like the talent we were able to get. Would it have been 10x better had we been a little crappier and got pick #5? Of course. But we'll have to hope aldon is as much of a franchise pass rusher as peterson is a franchise CB.

[ Edited by mike on May 1, 2011 at 12:24:11 ]
Originally posted by susweel:
After this draft and last year its clear that Baalke does not know how to work the draft. He reaches constantly through out the draft, hopefully his players turn out to be good or he's gonna look really bad.

Why don't you wait a couple years to see how the draft REALLY turns out. But then again, it's your M.O. to be irrational.

[ Edited by Schulzy on May 1, 2011 at 12:23:45 ]
The most redeeming quality of Harbaugh when it comes to the draft and scouting is his ability to grade incoming quarterbacks, the guy was heavily criticized for grading David Carr as a 6th round talent, and we all know how that has turned out.

This is why I 100% trust whatever decision Harbaugh makes in regard to which quarterback(s) he selects and who is on the field.