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I think it is safe to say that Baalke is choosing players directly in line with his confidence in the coaches Harbaugh brought in (and their own research).

All three of these guys have the physical make-up of "prototypical" size for their positions and all at positions we needed (OLB pass rusher, QB & CB/ST) and Baalke is leaving it up to Harbaugh to ensure he AND his staff develop these guys quickly.

Also, another thing to note is that all three players FIT into an offensive and defensive philosophy clearly now; no more round hole-square pegs. These coaches will be tasked to develop specialists now and THAT is a huge difference from the Nolan/Singletary regime.

Stay tuned...

[ Edited by NCommand on Apr 29, 2011 at 20:04:50 ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
I think it is safe to say that Baalke is choosing players directly in line with his confidence in the coaches Harbaugh brought in (and their own research).

All three of these guys have the physical make-up of "prototypical" size for their positions and all at positions we needed (OLB pass rusher, QB & CB/ST) and Baalke is leaving it up to Harbaugh to ensure he AND his staff develop these guys quickly.

Also, another thing to note is that all three players FIT into an offensive and defensive philosophy clearly now; no more round hole-square pegs. These coaches will be tasked to develop specialists now and THAT is a huge difference from the Nolan/Singletary regime.

Stay tuned...

Completely agree
Originally posted by NCommand:
I think it is safe to say that Baalke is choosing players directly in line with his confidence in the coaches Harbaugh brought in (and their own research).

All three of these guys have the physical make-up of "prototypical" size for their positions and all at positions we needed (OLB pass rusher, QB & CB/ST) and Baalke is leaving it up to Harbaugh to ensure he AND his staff develop these guys quickly.

Also, another thing to note is that all three players FIT into an offensive and defensive philosophy clearly now; no more round hole-square pegs. These coaches will be tasked to develop specialists now and THAT is a huge difference from the Nolan/Singletary regime.

Stay tuned...

Must be refreshing to have faith in your coaches.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
I think it is safe to say that Baalke is choosing players directly in line with his confidence in the coaches Harbaugh brought in (and their own research).

All three of these guys have the physical make-up of "prototypical" size for their positions and all at positions we needed (OLB pass rusher, QB & CB/ST) and Baalke is leaving it up to Harbaugh to ensure he AND his staff develop these guys quickly.

Also, another thing to note is that all three players FIT into an offensive and defensive philosophy clearly now; no more round hole-square pegs. These coaches will be tasked to develop specialists now and THAT is a huge difference from the Nolan/Singletary regime.

Stay tuned...

That strategy doesn't make sense to me. You don't coach players to become good football players, you coach good football players to be better football players. If a player doesn't demonstrate he can be productive in competition at a lower college level, it is probably because they aren't good football players to begin with. Aldon Smith and Colin (although in weak competition) have demonstrated they are good productive football players. Culliver? Not so much. Measurables are way way overrated.
Originally posted by Jd925:
Originally posted by NCommand:
I think it is safe to say that Baalke is choosing players directly in line with his confidence in the coaches Harbaugh brought in (and their own research).

All three of these guys have the physical make-up of "prototypical" size for their positions and all at positions we needed (OLB pass rusher, QB & CB/ST) and Baalke is leaving it up to Harbaugh to ensure he AND his staff develop these guys quickly.

Also, another thing to note is that all three players FIT into an offensive and defensive philosophy clearly now; no more round hole-square pegs. These coaches will be tasked to develop specialists now and THAT is a huge difference from the Nolan/Singletary regime.

Stay tuned...

That strategy doesn't make sense to me. You don't coach players to become good football players, you coach good football players to be better football players. If a player doesn't demonstrate he can be productive in competition at a lower college level, it is probably because they aren't good football players to begin with. Aldon Smith and Colin (although in weak competition) have demonstrated they are good productive football players. Culliver? Not so much. Measurables are way way overrated.

Kinda agree. Baalke drafted like a scout with the Culliver pick and everything after Kendall Hunter.

I hope he knows what he's doing, but my confidence in him is shaky at best.
I still don't understand why we intend to use Bruce Miller as a FB?!! That's the only questionable pick for me. It seems as though he would make a perfect DE/OLB.
[ Edited by PTulini on May 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM ]
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by Jd925:
Originally posted by NCommand:
I think it is safe to say that Baalke is choosing players directly in line with his confidence in the coaches Harbaugh brought in (and their own research).

All three of these guys have the physical make-up of "prototypical" size for their positions and all at positions we needed (OLB pass rusher, QB & CB/ST) and Baalke is leaving it up to Harbaugh to ensure he AND his staff develop these guys quickly.

Also, another thing to note is that all three players FIT into an offensive and defensive philosophy clearly now; no more round hole-square pegs. These coaches will be tasked to develop specialists now and THAT is a huge difference from the Nolan/Singletary regime.

Stay tuned...

That strategy doesn't make sense to me. You don't coach players to become good football players, you coach good football players to be better football players. If a player doesn't demonstrate he can be productive in competition at a lower college level, it is probably because they aren't good football players to begin with. Aldon Smith and Colin (although in weak competition) have demonstrated they are good productive football players. Culliver? Not so much. Measurables are way way overrated.

Kinda agree. Baalke drafted like a scout with the Culliver pick and everything after Kendall Hunter.

I hope he knows what he's doing, but my confidence in him is shaky at best.

Beyond the 4th round is really a crapshoot anyway. If just one of those guys becomes a starter, he looks good. Aldon Smith will be contributing on 3rd downs right away. Colin Kaepernick will be given every opportunity to become a franchise QB, and Culliver is tasked with becoming a nickle CB only. Kendall Hunter looks to be a change of pace (5 touches a game) back. If we can get some solid contribution from either Kilgore or Person, I would say it was an excellent draft. After all, you don't solve all your problems with 1 draft. But if you can solidify 2 of your positions of need in 1 draft, then I would deem that a success. Anything else is gravy.
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by Jd925:
Originally posted by NCommand:
I think it is safe to say that Baalke is choosing players directly in line with his confidence in the coaches Harbaugh brought in (and their own research).

All three of these guys have the physical make-up of "prototypical" size for their positions and all at positions we needed (OLB pass rusher, QB & CB/ST) and Baalke is leaving it up to Harbaugh to ensure he AND his staff develop these guys quickly.

Also, another thing to note is that all three players FIT into an offensive and defensive philosophy clearly now; no more round hole-square pegs. These coaches will be tasked to develop specialists now and THAT is a huge difference from the Nolan/Singletary regime.

Stay tuned...

That strategy doesn't make sense to me. You don't coach players to become good football players, you coach good football players to be better football players. If a player doesn't demonstrate he can be productive in competition at a lower college level, it is probably because they aren't good football players to begin with. Aldon Smith and Colin (although in weak competition) have demonstrated they are good productive football players. Culliver? Not so much. Measurables are way way overrated.

Kinda agree. Baalke drafted like a scout with the Culliver pick and everything after Kendall Hunter.

I hope he knows what he's doing, but my confidence in him is shaky at best.

Beyond the 4th round is really a crapshoot anyway. If just one of those guys becomes a starter, he looks good. Aldon Smith will be contributing on 3rd downs right away. Colin Kaepernick will be given every opportunity to become a franchise QB, and Culliver is tasked with becoming a nickle CB only. Kendall Hunter looks to be a change of pace (5 touches a game) back. If we can get some solid contribution from either Kilgore or Person, I would say it was an excellent draft. After all, you don't solve all your problems with 1 draft. But if you can solidify 2 of your positions of need in 1 draft, then I would deem that a success. Anything else is gravy.

I'm cool with Smith & Kap. Hunter, sure. That Culliver pick was... interesting though.
Originally posted by PTulini:
I still don't understand why we intend to use Bruce Miller as a FB?!! That's the only questionable pick for me. It seems as though he would make a perfect DE/OLB.

Think Owen Maricec. It's just... it doesn't work like that. I don't get this move either to be honest.
Originally posted by NCommand:
I think it is safe to say that Baalke is choosing players directly in line with his confidence in the coaches Harbaugh brought in (and their own research).

All three of these guys have the physical make-up of "prototypical" size for their positions and all at positions we needed (OLB pass rusher, QB & CB/ST) and Baalke is leaving it up to Harbaugh to ensure he AND his staff develop these guys quickly.

Also, another thing to note is that all three players FIT into an offensive and defensive philosophy clearly now; no more round hole-square pegs. These coaches will be tasked to develop specialists now and THAT is a huge difference from the Nolan/Singletary regime.

Stay tuned...

Speaking of round hole and a square peg how about taking a productive pass rusher and putting him at FB. A position he never played before in his life at any level...
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
I think it is safe to say that Baalke is choosing players directly in line with his confidence in the coaches Harbaugh brought in (and their own research).

All three of these guys have the physical make-up of "prototypical" size for their positions and all at positions we needed (OLB pass rusher, QB & CB/ST) and Baalke is leaving it up to Harbaugh to ensure he AND his staff develop these guys quickly.

Also, another thing to note is that all three players FIT into an offensive and defensive philosophy clearly now; no more round hole-square pegs. These coaches will be tasked to develop specialists now and THAT is a huge difference from the Nolan/Singletary regime.

Stay tuned...

Speaking of round hole and a square peg how about taking a productive pass rusher and putting him at FB. A position he never played before in his life at any level...

I was thinking the same thing. Baalke did just the oppiosite. Drafted a 4-3 DE to move ot OLB, QB that never took snaps under center, a wide receiver turned safety, turned corner, 2 OT that are being moved to G/C, and a OLB turned FB. The 9ers have a scout as a GM who drafts according to his inexperienced coach. Hopefully it works out with Harbaugh, but the entire draft was almost all projects.
On the bright side...baalke and JH knew we needed a QB and did what? Well, for starters, they passed on Gabbert (who I really liked...but not at our position in 1st rd). And yes, they tried to move back to get Aldon later, but we all know that fell thru...not our fault. Also, look at the other 4 teams who had to have Qbs, and they ALL reached, picking up QBs way before they were worthy of being drafted. You all saw it, it was farcical...and our guys DIDN'T do that. Sure, #1 pick in the draft and they take Cam Newton, (for a team with no QB,), who is going down the Vince Young success path. That will be an albatross pick for 5 yrs.

Later in 2nd, JH got his man, probably earlier than he expected, but such was the run on QBs, it was undoubtedly the right move. Also we could have gotten the Prince, but I don't think he was anywhere near what his PR raves were. Lastly, JH is a QB molder, much like ...unnh...Coach Walsh...at the same school. I think baalke did good, don't know about our CB, but it is early yet. Remember, we finally have a real coach, knows both O&D, is a QB coach, has history of coaching up great QBs, is a great play caller, and is expert at calling plays away from a weak G( for example, no names please) has a hx of coaching up down in the dumps franchise(Ok, it's stanford, not a franchise). I see a lot of parallels here, and they all seem good. As for picks # 4-7, if there is a Tom Brady in there, hey, great, buty I'm not holding my breath, tho. We got two really fine picks, we got a great coach, and I am looking forward to a real football team for first time in 8 yrs.

That's a good draft by me guys, and if our CB turns out well, it was a terrific. Put me down for Kap as an all pro QB within 3-4 yrs, and very serviceable in a yr. We will be damn lucky to keep alex for a yr., especially the way this screwy yr has gone with the lockout.
Originally posted by LottOfDefense:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
I think it is safe to say that Baalke is choosing players directly in line with his confidence in the coaches Harbaugh brought in (and their own research).

All three of these guys have the physical make-up of "prototypical" size for their positions and all at positions we needed (OLB pass rusher, QB & CB/ST) and Baalke is leaving it up to Harbaugh to ensure he AND his staff develop these guys quickly.

Also, another thing to note is that all three players FIT into an offensive and defensive philosophy clearly now; no more round hole-square pegs. These coaches will be tasked to develop specialists now and THAT is a huge difference from the Nolan/Singletary regime.

Stay tuned...

Speaking of round hole and a square peg how about taking a productive pass rusher and putting him at FB. A position he never played before in his life at any level...

I was thinking the same thing. Baalke did just the oppiosite. Drafted a 4-3 DE to move ot OLB, QB that never took snaps under center, a wide receiver turned safety, turned corner, 2 OT that are being moved to G/C, and a OLB turned FB. The 9ers have a scout as a GM who drafts according to his inexperienced coach. Hopefully it works out with Harbaugh, but the entire draft was almost all projects.

There are huge #'s of projects / projections in this class. And lots of them could fail. I'm concerned for sure. But what can you do but wait and hope?
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by LottOfDefense:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
I think it is safe to say that Baalke is choosing players directly in line with his confidence in the coaches Harbaugh brought in (and their own research).

All three of these guys have the physical make-up of "prototypical" size for their positions and all at positions we needed (OLB pass rusher, QB & CB/ST) and Baalke is leaving it up to Harbaugh to ensure he AND his staff develop these guys quickly.

Also, another thing to note is that all three players FIT into an offensive and defensive philosophy clearly now; no more round hole-square pegs. These coaches will be tasked to develop specialists now and THAT is a huge difference from the Nolan/Singletary regime.

Stay tuned...

Speaking of round hole and a square peg how about taking a productive pass rusher and putting him at FB. A position he never played before in his life at any level...

I was thinking the same thing. Baalke did just the oppiosite. Drafted a 4-3 DE to move ot OLB, QB that never took snaps under center, a wide receiver turned safety, turned corner, 2 OT that are being moved to G/C, and a OLB turned FB. The 9ers have a scout as a GM who drafts according to his inexperienced coach. Hopefully it works out with Harbaugh, but the entire draft was almost all projects.

There are huge #'s of projects / projections in this class. And lots of them could fail. I'm concerned for sure. But what can you do but wait and hope?

There are many of us who share your concerns, but remain, like you, hopeful.

One reason for hope is the fact that the selections made, although projects (as all draft picks are), generally fit the physical profile at the positions for which they were drafted. I think that's what NC is saying.

That's not the "round hole, square peg" issue we've seen in the past--when Nolan, for example, signed a terrific DE (J. Smith) and tried to turn him into an OLB, when he really didn't have all the physical skills or the measurables for that position.

The prevalence of the spread offense in college ball makes it hard to find a prototypical FB, so the team drafted Miller. He has all the measureables for FB, and appears to have the right mentality as well. As a plus, he's got experience rushing the passer on D, and given Harbaugh's willingness to use a FB on D at Stanford, who says he won't do the same--at least once in awhile--with Miller?

I'm looking forward to seeing Miller's progress at FB, and hope to see him take the job from Norris this year. I hope we see him, every once in awhile, on D as well.