1. Marcell Dareus
2. Patrick Peterson
3. J.J Watt (I think if P.Peterson is gone at #7 this should be the 49ers next pick)
4. Tyron Smith
5. A.J Green
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Apr 12, 2011 at 8:59 AM
- Ice49er
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Apr 12, 2011 at 9:03 AM
- 49ersalldaway126
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daerues
green
peterson
and i know these are one year wonders in college but
bowers (in 4-3)
fairley (in 4-3) and pending character issues of course
green
peterson
and i know these are one year wonders in college but
bowers (in 4-3)
fairley (in 4-3) and pending character issues of course
Apr 12, 2011 at 9:41 AM
- kelson49er
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These aren't hall of fame guarantees, pro bowl locks, etc., but they are players who will be quality starters at some position for a relatively long amount of time (i.e. they won't bust).
In no particular order...
Marcell Dareus
Patrick Peterson
A.J. Green
Phil Taylor
Cameron Jordan
In no particular order...
Marcell Dareus
Patrick Peterson
A.J. Green
Phil Taylor
Cameron Jordan
[ Edited by kelson49er on Apr 12, 2011 at 10:02 AM ]
Apr 12, 2011 at 10:54 AM
- Sjceruti
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1.) Dareus
2.) Peterson
3.) AJ Green
4.) Quinn
5.) Kerrigan
2.) Peterson
3.) AJ Green
4.) Quinn
5.) Kerrigan
Apr 12, 2011 at 11:01 AM
- NinerBuff
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Pouncey
Peterson
Watt
Jordan
Dareus
Peterson
Watt
Jordan
Dareus
Apr 12, 2011 at 10:20 PM
- NTeply49
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Originally posted by Niners23:
To all of you thinking that both Jones and Green are can't miss sure-fire pro-bowl prospects, let me give you a list of the WRs picked within the top 15 picks in the draft in the last 10 years.
(2000) Peter Warrick (#4)
(2000) Plaxico Burress (#8)
(2000) Travis Taylor (#10)
(2001) David Terrell (#8)
(2001) Koren Robinson (#9)
(2001) Rod Gardner (#15)
(2002) Donte' Stallworth (#13)
(2003) Charles Rogers (#2)
(2003) Andre Johnson (#3)
(2004) Larry Fitzgerald (#3)
(2004) Roy Williams (#4)
(2004) Reggie Williams (#9)
(2005) Braylon Edwards (#3)
(2005) Troy Williamson (#7)
(2005) Mike Williams (#10)
(2007) Calvin Johnson (#1)
(2007) Ted Ginn Jr (#9)
(2009) Darrius Heyward-Bey (#7)
(2009) Michael Crabtree (#10)
Of all of those guys, I see 3 (Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald) that are perennial pro-bowlers. I see a ton of busts, and others with huge character concerns that makes teams not want to touch them with a 10 foot pole. In fact, the number of busts far outweigh even the number of good receivers; and keep in mind these were, in their respective drafts, the cream of the crop, the highest WRs taken.
Historically speaking, WRs selected high do not end up being what they are expected to be. So letting history be the judge, there's no way that both Jones and Green will be elite-level WRs in the NFL.
Why couldnt we have taken Desean Jackon instead of Chilo Rachal
Apr 12, 2011 at 10:28 PM
- 49ersalldaway126
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Originally posted by Niners23:
To all of you thinking that both Jones and Green are can't miss sure-fire pro-bowl prospects, let me give you a list of the WRs picked within the top 15 picks in the draft in the last 10 years.
(2000) Peter Warrick (#4)
(2000) Plaxico Burress (#8)
(2000) Travis Taylor (#10)
(2001) David Terrell (#8)
(2001) Koren Robinson (#9)
(2001) Rod Gardner (#15)
(2002) Donte' Stallworth (#13)
(2003) Charles Rogers (#2)
(2003) Andre Johnson (#3)
(2004) Larry Fitzgerald (#3)
(2004) Roy Williams (#4)
(2004) Reggie Williams (#9)
(2005) Braylon Edwards (#3)
(2005) Troy Williamson (#7)
(2005) Mike Williams (#10)
(2007) Calvin Johnson (#1)
(2007) Ted Ginn Jr (#9)
(2009) Darrius Heyward-Bey (#7)
(2009) Michael Crabtree (#10)
Of all of those guys, I see 3 (Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald) that are perennial pro-bowlers. I see a ton of busts, and others with huge character concerns that makes teams not want to touch them with a 10 foot pole. In fact, the number of busts far outweigh even the number of good receivers; and keep in mind these were, in their respective drafts, the cream of the crop, the highest WRs taken.
Historically speaking, WRs selected high do not end up being what they are expected to be. So letting history be the judge, there's no way that both Jones and Green will be elite-level WRs in the NFL.
being a top prospect and being the best wr in the class is 2 different things
green is best prospect since randy moss there is no such thing as a cant miss prospect but he is definitely the closest thing to it (as well as peterson)
Apr 12, 2011 at 11:51 PM
- Niners23
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Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:Originally posted by Niners23:
To all of you thinking that both Jones and Green are can't miss sure-fire pro-bowl prospects, let me give you a list of the WRs picked within the top 15 picks in the draft in the last 10 years.
(2000) Peter Warrick (#4)
(2000) Plaxico Burress (#8)
(2000) Travis Taylor (#10)
(2001) David Terrell (#8)
(2001) Koren Robinson (#9)
(2001) Rod Gardner (#15)
(2002) Donte' Stallworth (#13)
(2003) Charles Rogers (#2)
(2003) Andre Johnson (#3)
(2004) Larry Fitzgerald (#3)
(2004) Roy Williams (#4)
(2004) Reggie Williams (#9)
(2005) Braylon Edwards (#3)
(2005) Troy Williamson (#7)
(2005) Mike Williams (#10)
(2007) Calvin Johnson (#1)
(2007) Ted Ginn Jr (#9)
(2009) Darrius Heyward-Bey (#7)
(2009) Michael Crabtree (#10)
Of all of those guys, I see 3 (Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald) that are perennial pro-bowlers. I see a ton of busts, and others with huge character concerns that makes teams not want to touch them with a 10 foot pole. In fact, the number of busts far outweigh even the number of good receivers; and keep in mind these were, in their respective drafts, the cream of the crop, the highest WRs taken.
Historically speaking, WRs selected high do not end up being what they are expected to be. So letting history be the judge, there's no way that both Jones and Green will be elite-level WRs in the NFL.
being a top prospect and being the best wr in the class is 2 different things
green is best prospect since randy moss there is no such thing as a cant miss prospect but he is definitely the closest thing to it (as well as peterson)
If you're saying Green is a better prospect than guys like Calvin Johnson or Fitz coming out, I would have you disagree with you.
Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "being a top prospect and being the best wr in the class is 2 different things." If these WR were picked within the top 15 picks of the draft, that means they were top prospects. Otherwise why would a team use that high of a pick on a mediocre player?
The fact that I was trying to make is still valid: there are tons of WRs drafted highly and touted as top prospects, and the majority end up failing; so be extremely wary of classifying incoming WRs as the next big thing, and can't-miss prospects.
[ Edited by Niners23 on Apr 13, 2011 at 12:25 AM ]
Apr 13, 2011 at 7:24 AM
- dtg_9er
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Castonzo
Green
Wisniewski
Dareus
Mathews (can't disregard his bloodlines)
If medical checks out: Quinn replaces Mathews
Green
Wisniewski
Dareus
Mathews (can't disregard his bloodlines)
If medical checks out: Quinn replaces Mathews
Apr 13, 2011 at 7:30 AM
- jreff22
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Peterson
Green
Watkins
Jones
Ingram
Green
Watkins
Jones
Ingram
Apr 13, 2011 at 12:47 PM
- 9erguy
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Patrick Peterson
Von Miller
Marcell Dareus
JJ Watt
Julio Jones
honorable mention: Prince Amukamara, AJ Green, Mark Ingram
Von Miller
Marcell Dareus
JJ Watt
Julio Jones
honorable mention: Prince Amukamara, AJ Green, Mark Ingram
Apr 13, 2011 at 9:37 PM
- BillWalsh
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Can't Miss:
1. Patrick Peterson: at worst he will be an average NFL DB and solid return man. At best he's a future hall of famer.
2. AJ Green: A little on the lanky/thin side but so was moss. This guy just knows how to get open. a 4.5 guy in tights but plays faster when the game is on.
3. Marcel Dareus: This guy just looks dominant and can play in any defensive scheme at any position on the line. A stud 3-4 end who can put on pounds and play Nose tackle.
4. Gabe Carimi: 4 year starter, in another year might be a top ten pick. At worst he's a very good right tackle, but could be a standout left tackle.
5. Julio Jones: This is a strong reciever who looks like a Sterling Sharpe/Terrel Owens hybrid. He will put his body on the line in the run game but has the occasional drop. But the Occasional drop hasn't stopped owens from being one of the best catchers in football for a 15 year period.
5 with bust potential and not close to sure things:
1. Robert Quinn: Didn't play last year, need I say more. If you want me to say more, he comes from a school where coach Butch Davis runs easy peasy practices and teams have been underachieving for years at UNC. He doesn't show the relentlessness that a Demarcus Ware shows but at the same time he has amazing physical gifts so I will be interested to see what happens to him.
2. Von Miller: was never strong against the run and better offensive tackles will be able to wall him off. At best he's a good 3-4 linebacker who can get to the QB 10-15 times a year but at worst he might not even start and just be a 3rd down specialist.
3. D'aquan Bowers: Played closer to 300 pounds and was solid but unspectacular until his junior year when his friend Gaines Adams told him to slim down a bit before his death. Bowers did lose the weight and had a better year but now it seems the injury bug has hit him and he doesn't explode off the ball the way a top 5 pick should.
4. Cam Newton: Exceptional Skills but I wouldn't start him for a year, maybe two years and then it depends on who his coach is and how much he can get out of him. I actually think Jim Harbaugh might be one of the better coaches for Newton to learn under but I don't think the niners pick him up. Character issues you can live with in a corner or reciever but a QB with character issues is a big concern. He did prove that he is a winner in junior college and division 1 so time will tell.
5. JJ Watt: Average number put up in university tells me he could easily end up like an Adam Carriker and pan out as a rotational guy but I wouldn't touch him too high in this draft and again it will depend on what team he ends up on. If he has time to develop in a good system like say New England's then yes he might be a good pick but some team might scoop him up and he might not work out.
1. Patrick Peterson: at worst he will be an average NFL DB and solid return man. At best he's a future hall of famer.
2. AJ Green: A little on the lanky/thin side but so was moss. This guy just knows how to get open. a 4.5 guy in tights but plays faster when the game is on.
3. Marcel Dareus: This guy just looks dominant and can play in any defensive scheme at any position on the line. A stud 3-4 end who can put on pounds and play Nose tackle.
4. Gabe Carimi: 4 year starter, in another year might be a top ten pick. At worst he's a very good right tackle, but could be a standout left tackle.
5. Julio Jones: This is a strong reciever who looks like a Sterling Sharpe/Terrel Owens hybrid. He will put his body on the line in the run game but has the occasional drop. But the Occasional drop hasn't stopped owens from being one of the best catchers in football for a 15 year period.
5 with bust potential and not close to sure things:
1. Robert Quinn: Didn't play last year, need I say more. If you want me to say more, he comes from a school where coach Butch Davis runs easy peasy practices and teams have been underachieving for years at UNC. He doesn't show the relentlessness that a Demarcus Ware shows but at the same time he has amazing physical gifts so I will be interested to see what happens to him.
2. Von Miller: was never strong against the run and better offensive tackles will be able to wall him off. At best he's a good 3-4 linebacker who can get to the QB 10-15 times a year but at worst he might not even start and just be a 3rd down specialist.
3. D'aquan Bowers: Played closer to 300 pounds and was solid but unspectacular until his junior year when his friend Gaines Adams told him to slim down a bit before his death. Bowers did lose the weight and had a better year but now it seems the injury bug has hit him and he doesn't explode off the ball the way a top 5 pick should.
4. Cam Newton: Exceptional Skills but I wouldn't start him for a year, maybe two years and then it depends on who his coach is and how much he can get out of him. I actually think Jim Harbaugh might be one of the better coaches for Newton to learn under but I don't think the niners pick him up. Character issues you can live with in a corner or reciever but a QB with character issues is a big concern. He did prove that he is a winner in junior college and division 1 so time will tell.
5. JJ Watt: Average number put up in university tells me he could easily end up like an Adam Carriker and pan out as a rotational guy but I wouldn't touch him too high in this draft and again it will depend on what team he ends up on. If he has time to develop in a good system like say New England's then yes he might be a good pick but some team might scoop him up and he might not work out.
[ Edited by BillWalsh on Apr 13, 2011 at 9:47 PM ]
Apr 13, 2011 at 9:40 PM
- Shifty
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Originally posted by NTeply49:Originally posted by Niners23:
To all of you thinking that both Jones and Green are can't miss sure-fire pro-bowl prospects, let me give you a list of the WRs picked within the top 15 picks in the draft in the last 10 years.
(2000) Peter Warrick (#4)
(2000) Plaxico Burress (#8)
(2000) Travis Taylor (#10)
(2001) David Terrell (#8)
(2001) Koren Robinson (#9)
(2001) Rod Gardner (#15)
(2002) Donte' Stallworth (#13)
(2003) Charles Rogers (#2)
(2003) Andre Johnson (#3)
(2004) Larry Fitzgerald (#3)
(2004) Roy Williams (#4)
(2004) Reggie Williams (#9)
(2005) Braylon Edwards (#3)
(2005) Troy Williamson (#7)
(2005) Mike Williams (#10)
(2007) Calvin Johnson (#1)
(2007) Ted Ginn Jr (#9)
(2009) Darrius Heyward-Bey (#7)
(2009) Michael Crabtree (#10)
Of all of those guys, I see 3 (Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald) that are perennial pro-bowlers. I see a ton of busts, and others with huge character concerns that makes teams not want to touch them with a 10 foot pole. In fact, the number of busts far outweigh even the number of good receivers; and keep in mind these were, in their respective drafts, the cream of the crop, the highest WRs taken.
Historically speaking, WRs selected high do not end up being what they are expected to be. So letting history be the judge, there's no way that both Jones and Green will be elite-level WRs in the NFL.
Why couldnt we have taken Desean Jackon instead of Chilo Rachal
Im sure at every position you could come up with tons of busts.
Apr 13, 2011 at 9:50 PM
- feeblefreestyler
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Originally posted by PTulini:
My 5:
1. DL Marcell Dareus
2. DE J. J. Watt
3. OG/C Mike Pouncy
4. DE Robert Quinn
5. TE Kyle Rudolph
Do you see Quinn as a 4-3 DE, or a 3-4 OLB? In either case, I don't see the appeal of him.
Peter King summed him up nicely:
Quote:
Robert Quinn, the highly regarded defensive end from North Carolina, is proving to be a tough study for many teams. He hasn't played football in 16 months, having been suspended for taking improper benefits at North Carolina and being banned for the entire 2010 season. He had a benign brain tumor in high school. Those two elements would make it tough enough. Add this one: He fattened up his sack totals -- 11 in 13 games -- against some weak sisters.
Of his 11 sacks, six came in two games against ACC doormats, two more against NCAA Football Championship Subdivision teams with losing records, and three against Bowl Subdivision winning teams.
If you pick Quinn -- and Cleveland, at number six, may do so -- he'll be a perfect metaphor for the 2011 draft: High picks in the first round almost all come with a risk.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/04/10/mmqb/index.html#ixzz1JTC3sv7e
So, just curious about what, in your opinion, makes Quinn a can't miss.
Scott
Apr 13, 2011 at 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by feeblefreestyler:Originally posted by PTulini:
My 5:
1. DL Marcell Dareus
2. DE J. J. Watt
3. OG/C Mike Pouncy
4. DE Robert Quinn
5. TE Kyle Rudolph
Do you see Quinn as a 4-3 DE, or a 3-4 OLB? In either case, I don't see the appeal of him.
Peter King summed him up nicely:
Quote:
Robert Quinn, the highly regarded defensive end from North Carolina, is proving to be a tough study for many teams. He hasn't played football in 16 months, having been suspended for taking improper benefits at North Carolina and being banned for the entire 2010 season. He had a benign brain tumor in high school. Those two elements would make it tough enough. Add this one: He fattened up his sack totals -- 11 in 13 games -- against some weak sisters.
Of his 11 sacks, six came in two games against ACC doormats, two more against NCAA Football Championship Subdivision teams with losing records, and three against Bowl Subdivision winning teams.
If you pick Quinn -- and Cleveland, at number six, may do so -- he'll be a perfect metaphor for the 2011 draft: High picks in the first round almost all come with a risk.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/04/10/mmqb/index.html#ixzz1JTC3sv7e
So, just curious about what, in your opinion, makes Quinn a can't miss.
Scott
Peter King?