Quantity or quality?

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by BrianGO:
IMO, we should definitely trade back into the middle of the first round if we can.

Most years, you can't do this because the value isn't there in the top ten. This year the value is there, and there should be a couple of players who other teams will want to reach up and grab at seven.

Here is the real issue, if we get a young Deion Sanders in the draft, does this make us a great team? I don't see how it does. When the quarterback can't get it done, everything else has to fall in place perfectly just to make up for that one position. Bad quarterbacking requires that you have great players everywhere else to make up for it. You have to have an unbelievable defense to have a chance at reaching the Super Bowl if you don't have a quarterback.

Trading back into the middle of the first round gives us our pick of the many second-tier quarterbacks. The reality is, our first two picks in the draft are horrible positions to get a quarterback. We are not guaranteed to get the guy we want by sitting at 45 in the second round. We need to get the guy we WANT; instead of hoping that the guy we want will magically be there.

There are a ton of second-tier quarterbacks in this draft, we should hand pick the one we want in the middle of the first round. We can't risk getting leapfrogged by sitting in the back of the first round. EVERY other team that needs a QB is thinking the same thing!

There are plenty of quarterbacks to evaluate, and chances are, Harbaugh has one or two of them rated far above the others. We need to get THAT guy, and the only way we are going to get him, is by grabbing him in the middle of the first round.

If we try and trade UP into the middle of the first round, the price will be far too high. At seven we are at the perfect place to trade back, pick up some extra picks, and get the guy Harbaugh wants at quarterback.

Uhh if you paired a young Deion Sanders with a young Ray Lewis you are going to be a pretty good team for a long time dude. Just saying...

The Atlanta Falcons drafted a young Deion Sanders, and had Jessie Tuggle too, an excellent Pro-Bowl middle linebacker. Deion was smart enough to get out of there and play for contenders, which put him into the spotlight. If Tuggle did the same, he would probably be in the Hall-of-Fame by now.
With these two great players paired together, although they were great at upsetting good teams, the Falcons didn't win many games. There have been many great cornerbacks and middle linebackers in the NFL who have never sniffed a Super Bowl.

I like a mix but teams that need to rebuild from the ground up like the Lions after the 0-16 season are usually looking for quantity where a team that is one or two pieces away would look for quality. As far as we go I think we are in between. Nothing wrong with keeping 12 picks because you have a better shot at getting a late round steal. Problem is it will be hard to keep all 12 picks and get a good feel for them. A lot of times players are let go because you don't get to see what they can do and coaches will favor a guy who was with them for a year or two already. I wouldn't mind trading back and getting two solid players but it depends on what is there at 7. I think there will be an elite player so I almost prefer to stay.

Originally posted by BrianGO:
IMO, we should definitely trade back into the middle of the first round if we can.

Most years, you can't do this because the value isn't there in the top ten. This year the value is there, and there should be a couple of players who other teams will want to reach up and grab at seven.

Here is the real issue, if we get a young Deion Sanders in the draft, does this make us a great team? I don't see how it does. When the quarterback can't get it done, everything else has to fall in place perfectly just to make up for that one position. Bad quarterbacking requires that you have great players everywhere else to make up for it. You have to have an unbelievable defense to have a chance at reaching the Super Bowl if you don't have a quarterback.

Trading back into the middle of the first round gives us our pick of the many second-tier quarterbacks. The reality is, our first two picks in the draft are horrible positions to get a quarterback. We are not guaranteed to get the guy we want by sitting at 45 in the second round. We need to get the guy we WANT; instead of hoping that the guy we want will magically be there.

There are a ton of second-tier quarterbacks in this draft, we should hand pick the one we want in the middle of the first round. We can't risk getting leapfrogged by sitting in the back of the first round. EVERY other team that needs a QB is thinking the same thing!

There are plenty of quarterbacks to evaluate, and chances are, Harbaugh has one or two of them rated far above the others. We need to get THAT guy, and the only way we are going to get him, is by grabbing him in the middle of the first round.

If we try and trade UP into the middle of the first round, the price will be far too high. At seven we are at the perfect place to trade back, pick up some extra picks, and get the guy Harbaugh wants at quarterback.

Agreed.
Plus Peterson won't be as good as Dion. And we'd have to give up too much to get Peterson (unless she falls). I think our best scenario is to get more late first rd as well as 2nd &/or 3rd rd picks. Not only to get a good QB, but there is great defensive front 7 depth through rd 3, later guys like Kerrigan, Justin Houston, Bowers, Brooks Reed, and rd 3 guys like Chris Carter, Dontay Moch, Mason Foster, etc all have great potential.

Originally posted by BrianGO:
IMO, we should definitely trade back into the middle of the first round if we can.

Most years, you can't do this because the value isn't there in the top ten. This year the value is there, and there should be a couple of players who other teams will want to reach up and grab at seven.

Here is the real issue, if we get a young Deion Sanders in the draft, does this make us a great team? I don't see how it does. When the quarterback can't get it done, everything else has to fall in place perfectly just to make up for that one position. Bad quarterbacking requires that you have great players everywhere else to make up for it. You have to have an unbelievable defense to have a chance at reaching the Super Bowl if you don't have a quarterback.

Trading back into the middle of the first round gives us our pick of the many second-tier quarterbacks. The reality is, our first two picks in the draft are horrible positions to get a quarterback. We are not guaranteed to get the guy we want by sitting at 45 in the second round. We need to get the guy we WANT; instead of hoping that the guy we want will magically be there.

There are a ton of second-tier quarterbacks in this draft, we should hand pick the one we want in the middle of the first round. We can't risk getting leapfrogged by sitting in the back of the first round. EVERY other team that needs a QB is thinking the same thing!

There are plenty of quarterbacks to evaluate, and chances are, Harbaugh has one or two of them rated far above the others. We need to get THAT guy, and the only way we are going to get him, is by grabbing him in the middle of the first round.

If we try and trade UP into the middle of the first round, the price will be far too high. At seven we are at the perfect place to trade back, pick up some extra picks, and get the guy Harbaugh wants at quarterback.

Excellent assessment. First 2 picks have to be need picks. They need to be players you want given system run and existing player weaknesses. Trading back into the mid first round should yield an additional late second or 3rd round pick. There will be alot of talent at need positions available (ie CB,WR, OLB) that will add to competition and talent pool. Or use the additional pick to manuever up into the second round grab a targeted player.

Originally posted by fortyyearniner:

Originally posted by BrianGO:
IMO, we should definitely trade back into the middle of the first round if we can.

Most years, you can't do this because the value isn't there in the top ten. This year the value is there, and there should be a couple of players who other teams will want to reach up and grab at seven.

Here is the real issue, if we get a young Deion Sanders in the draft, does this make us a great team? I don't see how it does. When the quarterback can't get it done, everything else has to fall in place perfectly just to make up for that one position. Bad quarterbacking requires that you have great players everywhere else to make up for it. You have to have an unbelievable defense to have a chance at reaching the Super Bowl if you don't have a quarterback.

Trading back into the middle of the first round gives us our pick of the many second-tier quarterbacks. The reality is, our first two picks in the draft are horrible positions to get a quarterback. We are not guaranteed to get the guy we want by sitting at 45 in the second round. We need to get the guy we WANT; instead of hoping that the guy we want will magically be there.

There are a ton of second-tier quarterbacks in this draft, we should hand pick the one we want in the middle of the first round. We can't risk getting leapfrogged by sitting in the back of the first round. EVERY other team that needs a QB is thinking the same thing!

There are plenty of quarterbacks to evaluate, and chances are, Harbaugh has one or two of them rated far above the others. We need to get THAT guy, and the only way we are going to get him, is by grabbing him in the middle of the first round.

If we try and trade UP into the middle of the first round, the price will be far too high. At seven we are at the perfect place to trade back, pick up some extra picks, and get the guy Harbaugh wants at quarterback.

Excellent assessment. First 2 picks have to be need picks. They need to be players you want given system run and existing player weaknesses. Trading back into the mid first round should yield an additional late second or 3rd round pick. There will be alot of talent at need positions available (ie CB,WR, OLB) that will add to competition and talent pool. Or use the additional pick to manuever up into the second round grab a targeted player.

I agree with the trading back thing but it sounds like a number of teams want to do that as well. Someone will have to pull the trigger eventually. If we cover some big needs in this years draft than thats a good start. Preferably OLB, CB and QB. The rest we can just see who is available at the time we pick. If there is someone high on our board when we pick than we should go for it. there's no way to guarantee that another guy will be there later on. In the next 5 years will we be able to land a corner rated as high as Peterson. If our record starts to get better than we will be picking in the 20's. If our record gets worse than we probably still have a QB issue. Either way, i don't think we should pass up getting a high rated player like that. Green Bay got better when they drafted Rodgers. He sat and it still took a couple of drafts to get Raji, Jennings, Matthews, etc... We can't do it all in one draft.

This year more than any I would say the Niners need quality over quantity.

The Niners are still in a very weak division and they have the most talented overall roster compared to their division rivals with a few glaring holes. I think Mad Dog made the point very clearly in his post that the Niners need to pick players that can start from day one. With the labor situation being what it is, the other avenues to get players are not available. That means this draft is about getting plug and play starters at CB, QB, OLB, DE, OG and RB.

With 10 tradeable picks plus any future considerations, the Niners will still end up with plenty of opportunities, but they better make each one count.

I always prefer quality.