Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by Travisty13:Originally posted by Kolohe:Kolohe, I've actually quite enjoyed this debate about the TVC. Lol. But I'll give in and say it. You are correct, some teams do still refer to the TVC when making a trade. But you have to agree, it is out of date. But see, this is why the WZ is great. In a Kolb thread, we didn't debate if he was good or bad or merited any of our picks. We debated the TVC thoroughly and from both sides. So I tip my hat to you. Good job man.Originally posted by Travisty13:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by Travisty13:Originally posted by Kolohe:
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ESPN.com has the draft value chart many NFL teams use to help determine what's a fair trade. Of course, teams may give a little or get a little to make deals happen. But this should give you a general idea of what teams are thinking.
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Looking at teams that pick in various spots throughout the second round -- as well as at the top of Round 3 -- here are five moves that would make sense. These proposed trades are based on the traditional draft value chart that most teams use.
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The first quote you gave says "It's just a general idea", like I had mentioned, it's just a guideline. It's not accurate. Also, it says "many" teams use it. Not "all" teams. How do we know that us and the eagles aren't one of the few teams that don't use it. It's not a basis to propose a trade. How many times do you hear about a team trading up, and asked why they made the trade their answer was "well if you look at the TVC, you can see what got heck of a deal" never. Cause it's not the law by which trades are made. Again it's just a guideline. It's still out of date. And not as accurate as it's made out to be by media and message board types.
Your ignoring the fact that sources other than the Bleacher report has said, teams use the TVC to determine a fair trade. I'm just going by from what you stated earlier that teams don't use it anymore, and you still haven't provided a link saying they don't. If the TVC is a guideline, then that should be an indication that teams do in fact use the TVC.
The 2nd link I provided has no association with Bleacher Report. If you google Trade Value Chart, the only website that speaks so highly of it still is ESPN (which is one of your links) and you provided a Gil Brandt link which is a Jimmy Johnson and Cowboy fanboy. Coincidentally, the TVC originated from the Cowboys's Jimmy Johnson era. So of course Brandt would still be talking about it. You've yet to provide a link saying its still in effect. With the inflation of rookie salaries, the scale is off. Therefore my point was "it is out of date". You can't base your trades on it, just because it was used in the mid-90s. Draft picks vary in value. Its not set in stone. Again, we both can a agree it can be used as a guideline, not the true value of a draft pick.
Wow so your calling my links bias towards the TVC, what the.....BTW, the links were in reference to just last season and the season before.
My goodness is it so hard to say, I was wrong and that teams still use a TVC.
Its not like we had out awards to the people who get the most arguments right.
Fyi, I hope that isn't taken in a sarcastic way. Its not meant to be at all.
Wow the bigger man.^^^^
......I was wrong.
And no, that also wasn't a sarcastic remark.
Thanks man!