Originally posted by rayn36:
Originally posted by joeymac49s:
I agree a good player will be there at 7 i'm just afraid it's a player we're going to reach on. However, I feel pretty good with Harbaugh/Ballke at the helm however i'd like some options... I'm not sold on Quinn at all Mike Williams and Maurice Clarett had to sit out of football a year before being drafted, how did those two make out?? Not to mention the last D-linemen we took from North Carolina who was suppose to be a "beast" didn't turn out so well for us. (Kentwan Balmer) So excuse me if i'm a little hesitant to jump on his band wagon. That really only leaves Dareus left for us. Not that he's not a good player. Like I said, I would just like a little variety. We definately are in the perfect place. Hopefully someone falls in love w/ Quinn or Darius b/c I honestly would like to move down at that point and take an Akeem Ayers or Cameron Jordan and get some extra picks.
I either do not understand your draft logic or if I am understanding it, I do not agree. Balmer was a late bloomer and a 1 hit wonder in college. It is unfair/unwise to pigeonhole DL from UNC because he could very well have a career like Julius Peppers.
Also, I do not understand your stance on Dareus. You do not like him because of variety? I think he would be a beast as a 3-4 end. He would be a huge upgrade.
It sounds like you have already decided you want to trade down. I am not against this but there will be a great prospect at 7. Unless there are multiple players we are targeting who are available and equal in value, we need to stay put.
Worst case scenario IMO - Quinn, Miller, Dareus
Best case - Peterson, Green, etc
We will get a great player no matter what.
The part about him being a DT from NC was a joke, the part about his off the field issues and not playing for a full year are legitimate concerns and reasons I don't want to draft him that early in the draft. I just feel at pick #7 there shouldn't be any serious question marks about the person your going to draft.
As for my stance on Dareus I believe he is going to be a very good pro and I said he would be the only person left I wouldn't have any questions on us picking. What I was saying about variety was I'd like to have more top players available so we can have more options then just Dareus (who once again I believe is the only player that would be safe to take) Basically, I'm saying if the draft falls the way it fell above Dareus would be our only option at #7 b/c I don't like Quinn there.
I haven't decided on trading down. Personally let's say the top 3 are gone, Bowers,Fairley and Green... My ideal stance then would us to go Peterson, Prince, Von Miller, Dareus, trade down. In that order. My arguement is if the draft falls that way and our pick at #7 is Dareus or Quinn then we should really look at trading down b/c I honestly believe Jordan (which by the way the draft we're talking about has Jordan going to the Cowboys 2 picks after we take Newton and 2 picks before Quinn) will develop into just as good a pass rusher as Quinn would, maybe not Dareus but I don't think far from him. So would we trade down a few spots to draft Jordan who is a small notch below Dareus for us to pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd Rd. pick? I honestly believe after the top pass rushers/D-lineman go (Fairley, Bowers, Von Miller and Dareus) the next batch (Akeem Ayers, Cameron Jordan, Justin Houston, Ryan Kerrigan, Aldon Smith, Adrian Clayborn and Cameron Heyward) aren't as far behind the top players as people would like to think. I honestly believe this is a very deep Pass Rush draft which is why I think we should go "shut down" corner first. (Peterson, Prince)
Worse Case Scenario IMO- Quinn, A QB that is drafted on "potential"
Best Case Scenarion IMO, In this order- Peterson, Prince, Von Miller, Dareus
of course that's assuming the top 3 are gone.
The sum of this whole thing is yes we're going to get a great player at #7 however, if the top guys on our board are gone, especially at the need positions. Then IMO I believe we could trade back, pick up and extra 2nd or 3rd and get a player that will be just as good as what we could have had at #7.
How about this scenario, Fairley, Bowers, Peterson, Prince, Von Miller, AJ Green are all gone, we trade down to #12-15 and pick up an extra 2nd Rd pick. We draft Cameron Jordan... We use said new found 2nd rd pick and 1 of our 2 4th rd picks, trade BACK up into the 1st rd. and select Jimmy Smith or Brandon Harris. I would prefer that over taking a question mark of a player in Quinn. Did I clarify anything or just confuse you more?? I tend to over think things....