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Why the Super Bowl should help us at pick #7

Another reason I think I'd rather have a shut down corner then a pass rushing specialist is b/c a team can scheme to make that pass rusher ineffective. Double or even Triple teaming him. When you have a shut down corner, there's not too much an offense can do to attack him and if they do attack him and they are successful. Well then he's not much of a shut down CB in my opinion. This discussion could go on forever... or at least til April 28th. The bottom line is, great defenses need both so it's going to come down to who's the more NFL ready right now. I think Harbaugh wants to win now!! I completely understand why people want a pass rusher. I'm tired of not having that 10 sack a year guy we can all brag about also. However, I just think right now at this time a shut down CB would do us better. A shut down corner w/ a developed Mays could be the makings of something great. Also, I don't think our pass rush this past year has been AS bad as it's been in the past. I can't wait to see what Fangio's scheme can do for a lot of our guys. But thats just me.
It is important for the 9ers to get a game changer at #7. Whether all the pass rushers are gone and they take a CB, or if it's the other way around, they need quality. Even Green would be a good choice in my opinion because he could be a game changer.

Getting hung up on position rather than BPA seems to be a mistake most of the time. Good teams find the best available players in FAs and the draft.

As stated earlier, my preference would be for a pass rusher because the 9ers DBs are better than their pass rushers and I don't see a FA out there who is a monster pass rusher...there are some very good CBs in the FA market.

RB might even be a good choice as insurance if Gore doesn't make it back to 100%. There are a couple running backs who might make a difference and the 9ers could trade back and still get one of them.

Lastly, I've noticed huge changes in the mocks this week. The senior bowl seems to have really influenced some scouts and that makes it an interesting week at least.
Originally posted by joeymac49s:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by joeymac49s:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by joeymac49s:
For all those people out there that are saying a good pass rusher (Von Miller/Rober Quinn) is much better then a shut down corner (Peterson/Prince) how well did it do for the pass rush specialist Pittsburgh Steelers?? Who lead the league in sacks. If your secondary is swiss cheese you have no chance. Which is why since day 1 I've been saying if Peterson or Prince are at #7 we have to take them over a pass rusher. Lets face it, the Steelers have Harrison at 10.5 sacks, Woodley at 10 sacks and Farrior at 6 sacks this year and they were non-existent during the Super Bowl. Peterson/Prince in 2-3 years will be shut down CB's. Its much harder to find one of those then a pass rusher.

Harrison and Woodley each had a sack in the game, whilst Frank Zombo had one for the Pack. And the play of the game came from Clay Matthews, another pass rusher who caused the fumble.

Harrison, Woodly, Farrior and Timmons. The Steelers biggest strength had 2 sacks and 8.5 tackles. Are you really trying to tell me they had a big impact on the game? The way the Packers played, by spreading them out (not to mention the Packers O-Line played their hearts out) took the LBs out of their comfort zone and they were able to pass the ball pretty much at will. Yes the game was a 6 point game but think about the 2 dropped TD's the Packers had. That game could have been a lot uglier.

Farrior and Timmons are ILB's. What we are talking about is pass rush vs cornerback.

It wasn't the Steelers day. Polamalu had little to no impact as well. It happens. It was also one game. The Steelers made it to their 3rd SuperBowl this decade without a shutdown corner, but with a strong pass rush and a great front 7.

Look at the Colts, no shutdown corners but a good pass rush.

The Giants beat an unbeaten Patriots team with pass rush and pressure, not with shutdown corners.

I could cite examples of teams that have great secondaries or have had them and how important that was to their success but each of those teams usually had a great blue chip pass rusher, or at least a couple of really solid pass rushers. We don't have that, nor have we in a long time.

Another example, the Dallas Cowboys of the 90's, they were a good team that became great when they added Charles Haley. He was a major cog in their wheel, and you can ask Jimmy Johnson who has stated that numerous times before.

A great pass rush makes your secondary look better than they are. A great secondary can't cover forever if you aren't getting pressure. Pass rush is not just about sacks either, it's about putting pressure on the QB, disrupting the timing and rhythm of the play. Don't get me wrong a great secondary is fierce and a great piece of a teams puzzle however the shut down corner is the 4th most important position on a football team, ranking behind QB, LT and Blue Chip Pass Rusher.

I think what i'm trying to say is Peterson/Prince are not going to be good CB's in a few years. They are going to be Revis-like. At least that's what I've seen and what the "experts" are saying. You say a great pass rush can make a secondary look good which I agree with however a great secondary can also make a pass rush better then what it is. Look at the jets. They call them coverage sacks, which btw they were saying both of the Steelers sacks were.

My whole point in this is our need as the San Francisco 49ers. Our weakest link on D was our secondary, now we might be without Clements. So you mean to tell me getting Von Miller will make our secondary better then last year? I don't agree with that. I believe if you have a chance to take an elite CB and it also happens to be a major need we can't pass it up. For every example you gave about a great pass rush winning I can give you an example of a great pass rush doing nothing. Case in point this year. The Dallas Cowboys had the sack leader and it didn't matter b/c their secondary was trash. Look at the 94 Niners, if i'm not mistaken we signed a player for 1 year and that player just so happened to be the defensive player of the year that year and we won our last Super Bowl. Deion Sanders, the original shut down corner. How come before he came we couldn't get over the hump and when he left we couldn't get back??

As for the teams you mentioned I agree the colts have a great pass rush but their secondary w/ Bob Sanders is no where near as bad as ours. Also, the year the Giants beat they Pats your right they did it with a pass rush but once again their secondary wasn't nearly as bad as ours. I agree 100% that a team needs a great pass rush but I don't think 1 player is going to fix our whole pass rush. I would bet with what we have right now b/c of the scheme we're going to run this year we'll get more pressure. The biggest problem is to run a Dom Capers like D (which they're saying is similiar to what we want to do) you have to have a Shut Down corner. Someone that can lock onto Reggie Wayne like Revis did this year in the playoffs and make all the other WR's step up and beat them. Which they couldn't do.

My biggest point honestly is if Peterson and Prince are going to be true "shut down" corners, that it's harder to find them then it is a great pass rusher. That's why if Fangio believes either one of them can be a lock down CB I think he has to take him. Peterson is almost a lock as a Revis-like CB and if Prince can prove his speed is as good as Peterson's then he's right there with him. Some people would even take Prince over Peterson IF he shows at the combine what I think he's going to. That's another think I like about Prince, he said he has nothing to hide and he willing to show the world how good he is and he will be participating in everything at the combine. He's not going to just run the 40 then wait til his pro day when he's on turf he's familiar with and players he's familiar with to try and impress people. He has a swagger about him a CB needs and I love that about him. Same thing Suh did last year, guess that's the Nebraska way...

Prince and PP will likely not be shut down corners. All Pro/Pro Bowl corners and defensive cornerstones for the next 10+ years, sure. Not only are you predicting one but both to be shut down corners ? That is beyond bold considering how often that a true shut down comes along. A true shut down corner is a rare thing to find. Revis, Champ Bailey, Nnamdi, these guys don't come along everyday. 2 of those 3 were not even top 10 picks (one a top 15 the other a late 1st rounder).

And a team does not need a true shut down corner to win championships (Again see the Steelers). Look at 95% of NFL teams, they don't have one. They are only 3 shut down corners in the NFL, and one wants to be a safety now. You can find good solid corners in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, ones that will help your team go a long way with a great pass rush.

If Peterson is still on the board at 7, I will be surprised if we don't take him, even over the pass rushers that may or may not be there. Why ? BPA. But if it comes down to Prince vs the Pass Rushers, I think we have to lean with one of the latter (Miller/Quinn), not only do I think they are the better player by availability there but the pass rush need is a greater one for us. Even when we have had pretty good corner play in recent years, the pass rush has always been a problem for us.

As for the Jets, it's not so much a team that gets coverage sacks because of Revis but a team that gets sacks because of scheme & playcalling. Rex Ryan is a genius and a defensive mastermind. Same can be said for Belichick who has managed to get good pressure on QB's without premier pass rushers in recent years, but like the shutdown corner those guys are hard to find as well
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by joeymac49s:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by joeymac49s:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by joeymac49s:
For all those people out there that are saying a good pass rusher (Von Miller/Rober Quinn) is much better then a shut down corner (Peterson/Prince) how well did it do for the pass rush specialist Pittsburgh Steelers?? Who lead the league in sacks. If your secondary is swiss cheese you have no chance. Which is why since day 1 I've been saying if Peterson or Prince are at #7 we have to take them over a pass rusher. Lets face it, the Steelers have Harrison at 10.5 sacks, Woodley at 10 sacks and Farrior at 6 sacks this year and they were non-existent during the Super Bowl. Peterson/Prince in 2-3 years will be shut down CB's. Its much harder to find one of those then a pass rusher.

Harrison and Woodley each had a sack in the game, whilst Frank Zombo had one for the Pack. And the play of the game came from Clay Matthews, another pass rusher who caused the fumble.

Harrison, Woodly, Farrior and Timmons. The Steelers biggest strength had 2 sacks and 8.5 tackles. Are you really trying to tell me they had a big impact on the game? The way the Packers played, by spreading them out (not to mention the Packers O-Line played their hearts out) took the LBs out of their comfort zone and they were able to pass the ball pretty much at will. Yes the game was a 6 point game but think about the 2 dropped TD's the Packers had. That game could have been a lot uglier.

Farrior and Timmons are ILB's. What we are talking about is pass rush vs cornerback.

It wasn't the Steelers day. Polamalu had little to no impact as well. It happens. It was also one game. The Steelers made it to their 3rd SuperBowl this decade without a shutdown corner, but with a strong pass rush and a great front 7.

Look at the Colts, no shutdown corners but a good pass rush.

The Giants beat an unbeaten Patriots team with pass rush and pressure, not with shutdown corners.

I could cite examples of teams that have great secondaries or have had them and how important that was to their success but each of those teams usually had a great blue chip pass rusher, or at least a couple of really solid pass rushers. We don't have that, nor have we in a long time.

Another example, the Dallas Cowboys of the 90's, they were a good team that became great when they added Charles Haley. He was a major cog in their wheel, and you can ask Jimmy Johnson who has stated that numerous times before.

A great pass rush makes your secondary look better than they are. A great secondary can't cover forever if you aren't getting pressure. Pass rush is not just about sacks either, it's about putting pressure on the QB, disrupting the timing and rhythm of the play. Don't get me wrong a great secondary is fierce and a great piece of a teams puzzle however the shut down corner is the 4th most important position on a football team, ranking behind QB, LT and Blue Chip Pass Rusher.

I think what i'm trying to say is Peterson/Prince are not going to be good CB's in a few years. They are going to be Revis-like. At least that's what I've seen and what the "experts" are saying. You say a great pass rush can make a secondary look good which I agree with however a great secondary can also make a pass rush better then what it is. Look at the jets. They call them coverage sacks, which btw they were saying both of the Steelers sacks were.

My whole point in this is our need as the San Francisco 49ers. Our weakest link on D was our secondary, now we might be without Clements. So you mean to tell me getting Von Miller will make our secondary better then last year? I don't agree with that. I believe if you have a chance to take an elite CB and it also happens to be a major need we can't pass it up. For every example you gave about a great pass rush winning I can give you an example of a great pass rush doing nothing. Case in point this year. The Dallas Cowboys had the sack leader and it didn't matter b/c their secondary was trash. Look at the 94 Niners, if i'm not mistaken we signed a player for 1 year and that player just so happened to be the defensive player of the year that year and we won our last Super Bowl. Deion Sanders, the original shut down corner. How come before he came we couldn't get over the hump and when he left we couldn't get back??

As for the teams you mentioned I agree the colts have a great pass rush but their secondary w/ Bob Sanders is no where near as bad as ours. Also, the year the Giants beat they Pats your right they did it with a pass rush but once again their secondary wasn't nearly as bad as ours. I agree 100% that a team needs a great pass rush but I don't think 1 player is going to fix our whole pass rush. I would bet with what we have right now b/c of the scheme we're going to run this year we'll get more pressure. The biggest problem is to run a Dom Capers like D (which they're saying is similiar to what we want to do) you have to have a Shut Down corner. Someone that can lock onto Reggie Wayne like Revis did this year in the playoffs and make all the other WR's step up and beat them. Which they couldn't do.

My biggest point honestly is if Peterson and Prince are going to be true "shut down" corners, that it's harder to find them then it is a great pass rusher. That's why if Fangio believes either one of them can be a lock down CB I think he has to take him. Peterson is almost a lock as a Revis-like CB and if Prince can prove his speed is as good as Peterson's then he's right there with him. Some people would even take Prince over Peterson IF he shows at the combine what I think he's going to. That's another think I like about Prince, he said he has nothing to hide and he willing to show the world how good he is and he will be participating in everything at the combine. He's not going to just run the 40 then wait til his pro day when he's on turf he's familiar with and players he's familiar with to try and impress people. He has a swagger about him a CB needs and I love that about him. Same thing Suh did last year, guess that's the Nebraska way...

Prince and PP will likely not be shut down corners. All Pro/Pro Bowl corners and defensive cornerstones for the next 10+ years, sure. Not only are you predicting one but both to be shut down corners ? That is beyond bold considering how often that a true shut down comes along. A true shut down corner is a rare thing to find. Revis, Champ Bailey, Nnamdi, these guys don't come along everyday. 2 of those 3 were not even top 10 picks (one a top 15 the other a late 1st rounder).

And a team does not need a true shut down corner to win championships (Again see the Steelers). Look at 95% of NFL teams, they don't have one. They are only 3 shut down corners in the NFL, and one wants to be a safety now. You can find good solid corners in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, ones that will help your team go a long way with a great pass rush.

If Peterson is still on the board at 7, I will be surprised if we don't take him, even over the pass rushers that may or may not be there. Why ? BPA. But if it comes down to Prince vs the Pass Rushers, I think we have to lean with one of the latter (Miller/Quinn), not only do I think they are the better player by availability there but the pass rush need is a greater one for us. Even when we have had pretty good corner play in recent years, the pass rush has always been a problem for us.

As for the Jets, it's not so much a team that gets coverage sacks because of Revis but a team that gets sacks because of scheme & playcalling. Rex Ryan is a genius and a defensive mastermind. Same can be said for Belichick who has managed to get good pressure on QB's without premier pass rushers in recent years, but like the shutdown corner those guys are hard to find as well

I agree with you, I guess I'm a little hung up on Prince bc of the games I saw him play in it was like they ignored whoever was across from him. Now that could be b/c of the talent level he was playing against but this year I don't think the SEC had a HUGE advantage over the Big 12 as far as talentwise. And that's coming from a Florida Gators fan. lol I agree a team doesn't need a true shut down corner to win a championship b/c your right, there are only a few but that's why I want one so bad. Call me greedy but I LOVE have a player like Patrick Willis who gets awards after awards and praise heaped on him. I love seeing the 49ers in the spotlight. It reminds me of the "old days". I do agree that the chances of both Peterson and Prince turning into Revis-like CBs are slim however i'm not the only one saying it. If you read most of the mock drafts or scouting reports it says Prince is behind Peterson but not by far at all. It's rare 2 quality guys come out the same year like this. I do agree that Aaron Williams and Brandon whats his name from Miami and especially Jimmy Smith should all turn into very good CBs but if you had a chance to have the shut down guy the risk taker in my goes for it. The one thing I think we ALL can agree on is the most important thing to do at #7 is NOT SCREW IT UP!! and with Peterson/Prince/Miller or Jordan there I honestly don't think we could screw it up. I know I didn't mention Quinn... I don't think we can take him at #7. Not only the off the field stuff but he just missed a whole season of football. If we trade down to the late teens early 20's maybe? But I honestly dont like him at #7
Originally posted by joeymac49s:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by joeymac49s:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by joeymac49s:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by joeymac49s:
For all those people out there that are saying a good pass rusher (Von Miller/Rober Quinn) is much better then a shut down corner (Peterson/Prince) how well did it do for the pass rush specialist Pittsburgh Steelers?? Who lead the league in sacks. If your secondary is swiss cheese you have no chance. Which is why since day 1 I've been saying if Peterson or Prince are at #7 we have to take them over a pass rusher. Lets face it, the Steelers have Harrison at 10.5 sacks, Woodley at 10 sacks and Farrior at 6 sacks this year and they were non-existent during the Super Bowl. Peterson/Prince in 2-3 years will be shut down CB's. Its much harder to find one of those then a pass rusher.

Harrison and Woodley each had a sack in the game, whilst Frank Zombo had one for the Pack. And the play of the game came from Clay Matthews, another pass rusher who caused the fumble.

Harrison, Woodly, Farrior and Timmons. The Steelers biggest strength had 2 sacks and 8.5 tackles. Are you really trying to tell me they had a big impact on the game? The way the Packers played, by spreading them out (not to mention the Packers O-Line played their hearts out) took the LBs out of their comfort zone and they were able to pass the ball pretty much at will. Yes the game was a 6 point game but think about the 2 dropped TD's the Packers had. That game could have been a lot uglier.

Farrior and Timmons are ILB's. What we are talking about is pass rush vs cornerback.

It wasn't the Steelers day. Polamalu had little to no impact as well. It happens. It was also one game. The Steelers made it to their 3rd SuperBowl this decade without a shutdown corner, but with a strong pass rush and a great front 7.

Look at the Colts, no shutdown corners but a good pass rush.

The Giants beat an unbeaten Patriots team with pass rush and pressure, not with shutdown corners.

I could cite examples of teams that have great secondaries or have had them and how important that was to their success but each of those teams usually had a great blue chip pass rusher, or at least a couple of really solid pass rushers. We don't have that, nor have we in a long time.

Another example, the Dallas Cowboys of the 90's, they were a good team that became great when they added Charles Haley. He was a major cog in their wheel, and you can ask Jimmy Johnson who has stated that numerous times before.

A great pass rush makes your secondary look better than they are. A great secondary can't cover forever if you aren't getting pressure. Pass rush is not just about sacks either, it's about putting pressure on the QB, disrupting the timing and rhythm of the play. Don't get me wrong a great secondary is fierce and a great piece of a teams puzzle however the shut down corner is the 4th most important position on a football team, ranking behind QB, LT and Blue Chip Pass Rusher.

I think what i'm trying to say is Peterson/Prince are not going to be good CB's in a few years. They are going to be Revis-like. At least that's what I've seen and what the "experts" are saying. You say a great pass rush can make a secondary look good which I agree with however a great secondary can also make a pass rush better then what it is. Look at the jets. They call them coverage sacks, which btw they were saying both of the Steelers sacks were.

My whole point in this is our need as the San Francisco 49ers. Our weakest link on D was our secondary, now we might be without Clements. So you mean to tell me getting Von Miller will make our secondary better then last year? I don't agree with that. I believe if you have a chance to take an elite CB and it also happens to be a major need we can't pass it up. For every example you gave about a great pass rush winning I can give you an example of a great pass rush doing nothing. Case in point this year. The Dallas Cowboys had the sack leader and it didn't matter b/c their secondary was trash. Look at the 94 Niners, if i'm not mistaken we signed a player for 1 year and that player just so happened to be the defensive player of the year that year and we won our last Super Bowl. Deion Sanders, the original shut down corner. How come before he came we couldn't get over the hump and when he left we couldn't get back??

As for the teams you mentioned I agree the colts have a great pass rush but their secondary w/ Bob Sanders is no where near as bad as ours. Also, the year the Giants beat they Pats your right they did it with a pass rush but once again their secondary wasn't nearly as bad as ours. I agree 100% that a team needs a great pass rush but I don't think 1 player is going to fix our whole pass rush. I would bet with what we have right now b/c of the scheme we're going to run this year we'll get more pressure. The biggest problem is to run a Dom Capers like D (which they're saying is similiar to what we want to do) you have to have a Shut Down corner. Someone that can lock onto Reggie Wayne like Revis did this year in the playoffs and make all the other WR's step up and beat them. Which they couldn't do.

My biggest point honestly is if Peterson and Prince are going to be true "shut down" corners, that it's harder to find them then it is a great pass rusher. That's why if Fangio believes either one of them can be a lock down CB I think he has to take him. Peterson is almost a lock as a Revis-like CB and if Prince can prove his speed is as good as Peterson's then he's right there with him. Some people would even take Prince over Peterson IF he shows at the combine what I think he's going to. That's another think I like about Prince, he said he has nothing to hide and he willing to show the world how good he is and he will be participating in everything at the combine. He's not going to just run the 40 then wait til his pro day when he's on turf he's familiar with and players he's familiar with to try and impress people. He has a swagger about him a CB needs and I love that about him. Same thing Suh did last year, guess that's the Nebraska way...

Prince and PP will likely not be shut down corners. All Pro/Pro Bowl corners and defensive cornerstones for the next 10+ years, sure. Not only are you predicting one but both to be shut down corners ? That is beyond bold considering how often that a true shut down comes along. A true shut down corner is a rare thing to find. Revis, Champ Bailey, Nnamdi, these guys don't come along everyday. 2 of those 3 were not even top 10 picks (one a top 15 the other a late 1st rounder).

And a team does not need a true shut down corner to win championships (Again see the Steelers). Look at 95% of NFL teams, they don't have one. They are only 3 shut down corners in the NFL, and one wants to be a safety now. You can find good solid corners in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, ones that will help your team go a long way with a great pass rush.

If Peterson is still on the board at 7, I will be surprised if we don't take him, even over the pass rushers that may or may not be there. Why ? BPA. But if it comes down to Prince vs the Pass Rushers, I think we have to lean with one of the latter (Miller/Quinn), not only do I think they are the better player by availability there but the pass rush need is a greater one for us. Even when we have had pretty good corner play in recent years, the pass rush has always been a problem for us.

As for the Jets, it's not so much a team that gets coverage sacks because of Revis but a team that gets sacks because of scheme & playcalling. Rex Ryan is a genius and a defensive mastermind. Same can be said for Belichick who has managed to get good pressure on QB's without premier pass rushers in recent years, but like the shutdown corner those guys are hard to find as well

I agree with you, I guess I'm a little hung up on Prince bc of the games I saw him play in it was like they ignored whoever was across from him. Now that could be b/c of the talent level he was playing against but this year I don't think the SEC had a HUGE advantage over the Big 12 as far as talentwise. And that's coming from a Florida Gators fan. lol I agree a team doesn't need a true shut down corner to win a championship b/c your right, there are only a few but that's why I want one so bad. Call me greedy but I LOVE have a player like Patrick Willis who gets awards after awards and praise heaped on him. I love seeing the 49ers in the spotlight. It reminds me of the "old days". I do agree that the chances of both Peterson and Prince turning into Revis-like CBs are slim however i'm not the only one saying it. If you read most of the mock drafts or scouting reports it says Prince is behind Peterson but not by far at all. It's rare 2 quality guys come out the same year like this. I do agree that Aaron Williams and Brandon whats his name from Miami and especially Jimmy Smith should all turn into very good CBs but if you had a chance to have the shut down guy the risk taker in my goes for it. The one thing I think we ALL can agree on is the most important thing to do at #7 is NOT SCREW IT UP!! and with Peterson/Prince/Miller or Jordan there I honestly don't think we could screw it up. I know I didn't mention Quinn... I don't think we can take him at #7. Not only the off the field stuff but he just missed a whole season of football. If we trade down to the late teens early 20's maybe? But I honestly dont like him at #7

I think it would be smarter to make a hard play for either Asomugha, Joseph or Marshall (Joseph and Marshall could still resign or be tagged however) that target a CB at 7. The one thing other than money we can offer Nnamdi is a chance to stay in the Bay Area, and in Cali. Whichever of the 3 should we be able to land one, will also solve one major problem and in the event Peterson drops to 7, we are going to likely get a few phone calls from teams interested in moving UP for him, if not we still will have multiple options at 7 (Peterson remains in play as a possible S prospect I'd guess).
Personally I wanted to draft Prince and go hard after Asomugha. The future baby... Double A's and Mays!! I know i'm missing the 4th person but I couldn't think of something clever with Dashon's name in it. I tend to get greedy when it comes to my team!! We could offer Asomugha the "Harbaugh Package". 1. We're in the weakest divinsion in football so the chances of winning it are a lot easier then anywhere else. 2. Our football team is not old or rebuilding, we're right on the brink of something special. 3. You won't have to move your family. and 4. Throw Money at him!! After we sign Asomugha we turn our attentions to McNabbulous...
Originally posted by joeymac49s:
Personally I wanted to draft Prince and go hard after Asomugha. The future baby... Double A's and Mays!! I know i'm missing the 4th person but I couldn't think of something clever with Dashon's name in it. I tend to get greedy when it comes to my team!! We could offer Asomugha the "Harbaugh Package". 1. We're in the weakest divinsion in football so the chances of winning it are a lot easier then anywhere else. 2. Our football team is not old or rebuilding, we're right on the brink of something special. 3. You won't have to move your family. and 4. Throw Money at him!! After we sign Asomugha we turn our attentions to McNabbulous...

If you sign Asomugha then Prince is a luxury that would be better spent elsewhere unless the plan is to try and move him to FS.

And Mays hasn't shown much yet, and I didn't have high hopes for him when we drafted him. I'm not sold on him but he is still very young, hope I'm wrong on him.
how bout we just land an elite cb and an elite pass rush and have both and this non sense argument can be over
Originally posted by TalkinBoutWILLIS:
how bout we just land an elite cb and an elite pass rush and have both and this non sense argument can be over

We could take a QB at 7 as well. Don't overlook the possibility just yet.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Got a good point I mean who came up with the game clinching play.....a CB. A rookie one at that.....interesting.

You mean Clay Matthews with the hit on Mendenhall that caused the fumble right ? Because that play gave Green Bay back some much needed momentum.

Ok but 3 int in playoffs.......they needed that too, and its not like he was getting beat all night in the super bowl.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by joeymac49s:
Personally I wanted to draft Prince and go hard after Asomugha. The future baby... Double A's and Mays!! I know i'm missing the 4th person but I couldn't think of something clever with Dashon's name in it. I tend to get greedy when it comes to my team!! We could offer Asomugha the "Harbaugh Package". 1. We're in the weakest divinsion in football so the chances of winning it are a lot easier then anywhere else. 2. Our football team is not old or rebuilding, we're right on the brink of something special. 3. You won't have to move your family. and 4. Throw Money at him!! After we sign Asomugha we turn our attentions to McNabbulous...

If you sign Asomugha then Prince is a luxury that would be better spent elsewhere unless the plan is to try and move him to FS.

And Mays hasn't shown much yet, and I didn't have high hopes for him when we drafted him. I'm not sold on him but he is still very young, hope I'm wrong on him.

I honestly feel like Mays has too much athletic ability to be a bust. I remember when Rod Woodson visited training camp last year, when he got back on the NFL Network he couldn't stop talking about him. The problem is Mays is still young and when he doesn't trust what he's doing he falls back into his old habits. Like last year, he was pressing too much b/c he wanted to hold onto that starting position so bad he wound up making mistake after mistake. He was like that guy from that book with the puppy. Who pet it so much and so hard he killed it. (Just so everyone knows i do know the book and the character.)
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by TalkinBoutWILLIS:
how bout we just land an elite cb and an elite pass rush and have both and this non sense argument can be over

We could take a QB at 7 as well. Don't overlook the possibility just yet.

I honestly would like to see A.J. Green fall to us, mostly to see what we would do. I mean A.J. Green and Crabtree. That's a college football all star lineup there... I'm not going to lie, I personally dont like ANY of the QBs enough to take them at #7. However, I do trust in Harbaugh and if he thinks there is a QB good enough to take at #7 then I guess he really is a genius. I just hope he comes from a pro-style offense bc i'm tired of spending half of training camp teaching a QB how to take a snap from center and drop back. That and accuracy. I always think about the story Phil Simms tells when he first met Bill Walsh. Simms says every visit he went on all the coaches wanted him to do was throw the ball as hard as he could and as far as he could but when Walsh met him he said to him, I want to see you loft the ball over the linebacker into the WR's hands. Simms said he looked at him like he was crazy and that day had one of his worse workouts b/c he never really worked on touch. For some reason Walsh still had Simms at the #1 Qb that year, Thank the good Lord the Giants grabbed him so Montana would fall to us..... the point in all of this is.... well I guess there was no point, I just like that story. No wait, the point was accuracy is key in the WCO and from what I saw out of Ponder at the Senior Bowl, as much as I hated him in college b/c he played for Florida State, I wouldn't mind drafting him in the 3rd Rd. and seeing what he could do. I wouldn't be suprised if we don't take 2- QB's this year. One in Rd 2-3 then a real raw talet Harbaugh would see as a challenge in rd 6-7. If not we'll get an undrafted one.

BTW, what REALLY scares me is all these articles saying how Harbaugh and Alex Smith are hanging out every day and texting each other and staying up all night giggling together..... PLEASE Harbaugh don't do it.... 2 coaches already put all of their stock in him and both have been fired!! I mean I kinda understand why he's doing it, since the CBA isn't up yet and he's trying to get as much info as he can before they can't talk anymore but every story is telling how much Harbaugh sees in him and blah blah blah... If come week 1 in November and Alex Smith is our starting QB, i'm not sure any windows will remain intact in my home. Now if he's our starting QB b/c he HAS to be b/c of the CBA we BETTER and I mean BETTER have a rookie waiting in the wings learning!!

[ Edited by joeymac49s on Feb 10, 2011 at 10:42:05 ]
Originally posted by joeymac49s:
Originally posted by RogerCraig:
I still think an effective rush over weighs a highly rated group of DBs. Give the QB enough time, void of a rush, he's should find an open receiver.

You honestly need both to have a top D. I'm just saying it's much harder to find a shut down corner then it is a pass rusher specialist and this thread was to just state my side of the argument.

Sack leaders this year-
Demarcus Ware- 15.5 (Drafted 1st rd)
Tamba Hali- 14.5 (Drafted 1st rd)
Cameron Wake- 14 (Undrafted)
Clay Matthews- 13.5 (Drafted 1st rd.)
John Abraham- 13 (Drafted 1st rd.)
Jason Babin- 12.5 (Drafted 1st rd)
Charles Johnson- 11.5 (Drafted 3rd rd.)
Justin Tuck- 11.5 (Drafted 3rd rd.)
Osi Umenyiora- 11.5 (Drafted 2nd rd.)
Jared Alled- 11 (Drafted 4th rd.)

Interception leaders this year-
Ed Reed- 8 (Drafted 1st rd.)
Devin McCourty- 7 (Drafted 1st rd.)
Troy Polamalu- 7 (Drafted 1st rd.)
Asante Samuel- 7 (Drafted 4th rd.)
Joe Haden- 6 (Drafted 1st rd.)
DeAngelo Hall- 6 (Drafted 1st rd.)
Aquib Talib- 6 (Drafted 1st Rd.
Tramon Williams- 6 (Undrafted)
Terrence Newman- 5 (Drafted 1st rd.)
Earl Thomas- 5 (Drafted 1st rd.)

Those aren't even including the shut down corners who I consider Revis (1st rd), Woodson (1st rd) and Asomugha (1st rd)... Even Champ Bailey (1st rd)

Just some fun facts for the group. Don't get me wrong, sacks are a big part of the game but if you can get a shut down corner who closes off half the field your defensive game plan becomes so much easier and lets face it. Turnovers are better then sacks.

It is much more difficult to find a shut down corner than it is to find a guy that can give you 10 sacks in the right system. However, it is much more difficult to find a Julius Peppers/Reggie White/Lawrence Taylor than it is to find a shut down corner. If you think Von Miller is going to be one of the Top 20 pass rushers of all time - then take him. If you think he is merely going to be a 8 to 10 sack a year guy ... then take the shut down corner.

By the way ... the Jets didn't lose to Pittsburgh because Ben had all this time to throw the ball. They got run over by Mendenhall and were dominated in time of possession in the first half. I don't think Ben completed a pass on Revis' side of the field all game and Wallace was pretty much negated in the vertical passing game.
Originally posted by midrdan:
Originally posted by joeymac49s:
Originally posted by RogerCraig:
I still think an effective rush over weighs a highly rated group of DBs. Give the QB enough time, void of a rush, he's should find an open receiver.

You honestly need both to have a top D. I'm just saying it's much harder to find a shut down corner then it is a pass rusher specialist and this thread was to just state my side of the argument.

Sack leaders this year-
Demarcus Ware- 15.5 (Drafted 1st rd)
Tamba Hali- 14.5 (Drafted 1st rd)
Cameron Wake- 14 (Undrafted)
Clay Matthews- 13.5 (Drafted 1st rd.)
John Abraham- 13 (Drafted 1st rd.)
Jason Babin- 12.5 (Drafted 1st rd)
Charles Johnson- 11.5 (Drafted 3rd rd.)
Justin Tuck- 11.5 (Drafted 3rd rd.)
Osi Umenyiora- 11.5 (Drafted 2nd rd.)
Jared Alled- 11 (Drafted 4th rd.)

Interception leaders this year-
Ed Reed- 8 (Drafted 1st rd.)
Devin McCourty- 7 (Drafted 1st rd.)
Troy Polamalu- 7 (Drafted 1st rd.)
Asante Samuel- 7 (Drafted 4th rd.)
Joe Haden- 6 (Drafted 1st rd.)
DeAngelo Hall- 6 (Drafted 1st rd.)
Aquib Talib- 6 (Drafted 1st Rd.
Tramon Williams- 6 (Undrafted)
Terrence Newman- 5 (Drafted 1st rd.)
Earl Thomas- 5 (Drafted 1st rd.)

Those aren't even including the shut down corners who I consider Revis (1st rd), Woodson (1st rd) and Asomugha (1st rd)... Even Champ Bailey (1st rd)

Just some fun facts for the group. Don't get me wrong, sacks are a big part of the game but if you can get a shut down corner who closes off half the field your defensive game plan becomes so much easier and lets face it. Turnovers are better then sacks.

It is much more difficult to find a shut down corner than it is to find a guy that can give you 10 sacks in the right system. However, it is much more difficult to find a Julius Peppers/Reggie White/Lawrence Taylor than it is to find a shut down corner. If you think Von Miller is going to be one of the Top 20 pass rushers of all time - then take him. If you think he is merely going to be a 8 to 10 sack a year guy ... then take the shut down corner.

By the way ... the Jets didn't lose to Pittsburgh because Ben had all this time to throw the ball. They got run over by Mendenhall and were dominated in time of possession in the first half. I don't think Ben completed a pass on Revis' side of the field all game and Wallace was pretty much negated in the vertical passing game.

Right now I am predicting Prince to be a cross between Deion Sanders and Darrell Revis, some people agree with me. On the other hand some people believe Von Miller will be a cross between LT and Patrick Willis.

Obviously you can see we have no idea what we're talking about so it must be about 3 months before the draft. The "Experts" who's jobs it is to find these star players are wrong half the time. There's no way to really tell what those players will be like....