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Why the Super Bowl should help us at pick #7

For all those people out there that are saying a good pass rusher (Von Miller/Rober Quinn) is much better then a shut down corner (Peterson/Prince) how well did it do for the pass rush specialist Pittsburgh Steelers?? Who lead the league in sacks. If your secondary is swiss cheese you have no chance. Which is why since day 1 I've been saying if Peterson or Prince are at #7 we have to take them over a pass rusher. Lets face it, the Steelers have Harrison at 10.5 sacks, Woodley at 10 sacks and Farrior at 6 sacks this year and they were non-existent during the Super Bowl. Peterson/Prince in 2-3 years will be shut down CB's. Its much harder to find one of those then a pass rusher.
Thats an interesting point but I think the QB play from GB played a big role in them winning a Super Bowl as well
Peterson yes, Prince has question marks. If i remember correctly he got raped over and over by that Oklahoma State WR.

A 3-4 pass rusher isn't easy to find neither.

The Jets have the best corner in the game and Cromartie isn't that bad neither but they lack a great pass rush. Haven't seen them in the Super Bowl.
Oh the QB play def. helped. but the "plan" to beat Pittsburgh was known all year long. Spread them out so their pass rush specialists aren't on the field as much and shred the secondary. Now on the other side of the ball you have GB's D who has a pass rush specialist in Clay Matthews but you also have a shut down corner in Charles Woodson. If you noticed the Steelers weren't doing anything on offense until the shut down corner went out of the game. Which I would also use as evidence why a shut down corner should be taken over a pass rush specialist. More evidence you say?? Demarcus Ware lead the league in sacks this year if i'm not mistaken however his secondary was so bad it didn't matter. That's my argument for why we should take Peterson or Prince over Von Miller or Rober Quinn (personally I wouldn't take Quinn at all at #7 since he hasn't played in a year, i'd much rather have Cameron Jordan). That being said, if Peterson and Prince are gone by the time #7 comes. Von Miller should be the pick b/c the drop off from the top 2 CB's to #3 is a big drop right now.
I still think an effective rush over weighs a highly rated group of DBs. Give the QB enough time, void of a rush, he's should find an open receiver.
Originally posted by miked1978:
Peterson yes, Prince has question marks. If i remember correctly he got raped over and over by that Oklahoma State WR.

A 3-4 pass rusher isn't easy to find neither.

The Jets have the best corner in the game and Cromartie isn't that bad neither but they lack a great pass rush. Haven't seen them in the Super Bowl.

Back to back AFC Championships? I'll take that instead of 6-10 anyday, and Prince did have a bad game against a fast WR which is why he will participate in every event at the combine. I'm sure if we go back we can find a game Von Miller didn't exactly take over.
Originally posted by RogerCraig:
I still think an effective rush over weighs a highly rated group of DBs. Give the QB enough time, void of a rush, he's should find an open receiver.

You honestly need both to have a top D. I'm just saying it's much harder to find a shut down corner then it is a pass rusher specialist and this thread was to just state my side of the argument.

Sack leaders this year-
Demarcus Ware- 15.5 (Drafted 1st rd)
Tamba Hali- 14.5 (Drafted 1st rd)
Cameron Wake- 14 (Undrafted)
Clay Matthews- 13.5 (Drafted 1st rd.)
John Abraham- 13 (Drafted 1st rd.)
Jason Babin- 12.5 (Drafted 1st rd)
Charles Johnson- 11.5 (Drafted 3rd rd.)
Justin Tuck- 11.5 (Drafted 3rd rd.)
Osi Umenyiora- 11.5 (Drafted 2nd rd.)
Jared Alled- 11 (Drafted 4th rd.)

Interception leaders this year-
Ed Reed- 8 (Drafted 1st rd.)
Devin McCourty- 7 (Drafted 1st rd.)
Troy Polamalu- 7 (Drafted 1st rd.)
Asante Samuel- 7 (Drafted 4th rd.)
Joe Haden- 6 (Drafted 1st rd.)
DeAngelo Hall- 6 (Drafted 1st rd.)
Aquib Talib- 6 (Drafted 1st Rd.
Tramon Williams- 6 (Undrafted)
Terrence Newman- 5 (Drafted 1st rd.)
Earl Thomas- 5 (Drafted 1st rd.)

Those aren't even including the shut down corners who I consider Revis (1st rd), Woodson (1st rd) and Asomugha (1st rd)... Even Champ Bailey (1st rd)

Just some fun facts for the group. Don't get me wrong, sacks are a big part of the game but if you can get a shut down corner who closes off half the field your defensive game plan becomes so much easier and lets face it. Turnovers are better then sacks.
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Doesn't prove anything really other than a white hot QB can rape any defense no matter how good. Joe did it repeatedly to some awesome defenses. The flip look at Brady against the Jets. Their PR wasn't good all year but they played outstanding coverage and confused him and ultimately won.
Originally posted by TX9R:
Doesn't prove anything really other than a white hot QB can rape any defense no matter how good. Joe did it repeatedly to some awesome defenses. The flip look at Brady against the Jets. Their PR wasn't good all year but they played outstanding coverage and confused him and ultimately won.

yea, too many variables involved to just blame the DB's. We're in need of both, so we have to take BPA at those positions.
Originally posted by TX9R:
Doesn't prove anything really other than a white hot QB can rape any defense no matter how good. Joe did it repeatedly to some awesome defenses. The flip look at Brady against the Jets. Their PR wasn't good all year but they played outstanding coverage and confused him and ultimately won.

Thats exactly my point. If you have a chance to take someone like a Revis who can play outstanding coverage... over a pure pass rusher you should take him. Like you said, Jets PR wasn't great but b/c of their shut down corners they made it to the AFC Championship.
Originally posted by RogerCraig:
I still think an effective rush over weighs a highly rated group of DBs. Give the QB enough time, void of a rush, he's should find an open receiver.


I agree. The less time the QB has the better the secondary looks.
Originally posted by joeymac49s:
For all those people out there that are saying a good pass rusher (Von Miller/Rober Quinn) is much better then a shut down corner (Peterson/Prince) how well did it do for the pass rush specialist Pittsburgh Steelers?? Who lead the league in sacks. If your secondary is swiss cheese you have no chance. Which is why since day 1 I've been saying if Peterson or Prince are at #7 we have to take them over a pass rusher. Lets face it, the Steelers have Harrison at 10.5 sacks, Woodley at 10 sacks and Farrior at 6 sacks this year and they were non-existent during the Super Bowl. Peterson/Prince in 2-3 years will be shut down CB's. Its much harder to find one of those then a pass rusher.

Harrison and Woodley each had a sack in the game, whilst Frank Zombo had one for the Pack. And the play of the game came from Clay Matthews, another pass rusher who caused the fumble.
I actually really agree with this if we can get a shutdown corner at #7 cuz we have a bunch of average pass rush but below average DBS so let's go Peterson of prince and then try to find a pass rusher n the later rounds
the PAckers won b/c of thier 2 star CBs, thats why we need Amukamara
Chicken or the Egg....?