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Who thinks we should draft Prince CB ??

Who thinks we should draft Prince CB ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVeWn3bwWTg

Now what do you think? Nate Clements 2.0:( No Thanks Quinn or Miller Time!!
Three things I noticed from the Nebraska/OSU clip:

1) Initially Prince played well ... because the Nebraska DL had a great pass-rush
2) Once the pass-rush was picked up and adjustments made, Price gets beat bad

It's like the story of the 49er defense for 6 years running now? When our pedestrian pass-rush is nullified, the secondary get torched.

3) Prince is a press corner - like Nate and Spencer. He's not an elite speed guy who can make up ground once he's beaten. He'll have to overcome with technique in the NFL and that will take time. That being said, he will not beat out any of our players on this secondary day one.

So is Price better because in those games Nebraska's pass-rush was far and away better than their opponents? I have a feeling that was the case.

Thoughts.

[ Edited by NinerGM on Jan 28, 2011 at 13:59:58 ]
I HAVE A GREAT IDEA LETS KEEP PLAYING THE SAME CLIP OVER AND OVER

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Three things I noticed from the Nebraska/OSU clip:

1) Initially Prince played well ... because the Nebraska DL had a great pass-rush
2) Once the pass-rush was picked up and adjustments made, Price gets beat bad

It's like the story of the 49er defense for 6 years running now? When our pedestrian pass-rush is nullified, the secondary get torched.

3) Prince is a press corner - like Nate and Spencer. He's not an elite speed guy who can make up ground once he's beaten. He'll have to overcome with technique in the NFL and that will take time. That being said, he will not beat out any of our players on this secondary day one.

So if Price better because in those games Nebraska's pass-rush was far and away better than their opponents? I have a feeling that was the case.

Thoughts.

Well that's the case for all corners not named Sanders, and Revis. If the qb has the time he's gonna complete a pass on almost any CB. Nebraska had the 29th ranked sack total so they were pretty solid in the pass rush department. LSU's ranking is even higher so the same could be said for Patrick Peterson. I've seen Prince lock guys down and I've seen him get beaten. It's gonna happen that part of being a CB. The majority of games I saw he wasn't beat often regardless of the pressure. I didn't see the OSU game. He is a press corner but that doesn't mean he's slow. i have no idea what his projected .40 times are. Revis and Cromartie are both press corners that have elite speed. And the guy's technique is pretty solid and he has very fluid hips. It wouldn't take a lot of time. He can start day one. We will have to wait and see on exactly how fast he is.

Pass rush vs CB debate basically. Hard one to call
^^ Good points.

I tend to like the Steelers and Packers approach to things. You wreak havoc from your front 7, putting constant pressure on the QB from different angles, then primarily use zone coverages on the back-end with highly athletic, play-making CBs. So instead of using a high pick to draft the "cover corner" type, you find athletes for your secondary with speed and the ability to break on the ball (Woodson, Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Ike Taylor, Bryant McFadden, William Gay, etc.).

It's not a coincidence that along with being the two best teams in sacks, the Packers and Steelers were also in the top 5 in both interceptions and passes defended, and there's only 1 high draft pick at CB for either team (Charles Woodson, who's 34 years old). The rest are mid-round picks and even UDFAs, with speed and ball skills.

Pressure creates opportunities for your DBs to make plays.

[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Jan 28, 2011 at 13:57:43 ]
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Three things I noticed from the Nebraska/OSU clip:

1) Initially Prince played well ... because the Nebraska DL had a great pass-rush
2) Once the pass-rush was picked up and adjustments made, Price gets beat bad

It's like the story of the 49er defense for 6 years running now? When our pedestrian pass-rush is nullified, the secondary get torched.

3) Prince is a press corner - like Nate and Spencer. He's not an elite speed guy who can make up ground once he's beaten. He'll have to overcome with technique in the NFL and that will take time. That being said, he will not beat out any of our players on this secondary day one.

So if Price better because in those games Nebraska's pass-rush was far and away better than their opponents? I have a feeling that was the case.

Thoughts.

Well that's the case for all corners not named Sanders, and Revis. If the qb has the time he's gonna complete a pass on almost any CB. Nebraska had the 29th ranked sack total so they were pretty solid in the pass rush department. LSU's ranking is even higher so the same could be said for Patrick Peterson. I've seen Prince lock guys down and I've seen him get beaten. It's gonna happen that part of being a CB. The majority of games I saw he wasn't beat often regardless of the pressure. I didn't see the OSU game. He is a press corner but that doesn't mean he's slow. i have no idea what his projected .40 times are. Revis and Cromartie are both press corners that have elite speed. And the guy's technique is pretty solid and he has very fluid hips. It wouldn't take a lot of time. He can start day one. We will have to wait and see on exactly how fast he is.

Pass rush vs CB debate basically. Hard one to call

Great analysis lamontb! Thanks for the response. I think this is a great debate and reminds of discussions we had around with WR vs

Don't know if this is hard to call at all. If the pass-rush get's to the QB, there is no completion or if the QB is hurried, the CB gets credit for a "pass defended". IMHO, Pass-rush and QB server similar roles for their respective units. Everyone says it's a QB-driven league that a good QB can make average WRs look great given protection. The reverse is true - for defense, it's a pressure-driven league. If you have edge rushers who can get to the QB, it makes your secondary look a lot better. And even Revis and Sanders had problems when their respective teams were not able to generate a pass-rush (vs Pats 1st game vs 2nd game).

Yes, Prince can start day one but will he? Will he beat out Spencer and Clements? Highly, highly unlikely.

And still, the 49ers will be without an elite pass-rusher, something that has hounded this squad for years. Like Rob Ryan said in a 3-4 D, if you have no pressure OLBs, you have no defense....

GREAT point Ghost!!!

and Woodson was a FA pick-up from Oakland.

[ Edited by NinerGM on Jan 28, 2011 at 14:00:51 ]
Originally posted by jreff22:
I HAVE A GREAT IDEA LETS KEEP PLAYING THE SAME CLIP OVER AND OVER


I think you are being misguided. Prince didn't just get burned, get looked completely lost and befuddled in that game.

Here is a quote from a coach who had to plan against Prince and Miller in College (University of Kansas HC Chuck Long):

"Long also pored over plenty of film of Nebraska cornerback Prince Amukamara, who was part of a defense which allowed 15 passing yards in 20-3 win over the Jayhawks this past season. Amukamara, like Miller, is viewed as a high-end, first-round pick and San Francisco is a logical landing spot.

Part of it certainly has to do with Amukamara’s position – cornerbacks can be avoided much easier than pass-rushers such as Miller – but Long wasn’t quite as enamored with the Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year.

“They have a great scheme there,” Long said. “And they played a lot of man, so when you play a lot of man, obviously you’ve got a lot of confidence in your corners. But they would wrap guys over the top to protect him a little bit. I don’t know how much he stood out to us. But I think he’s a good football player. He didn’t stand out as much as Von Miller did at his position, but he can play.”"

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/01/inside-the-49ers/senior-bowl-standout-miller-stood-out-on-film/
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by jreff22:
I HAVE A GREAT IDEA LETS KEEP PLAYING THE SAME CLIP OVER AND OVER


I think you are being misguided. Prince didn't just get burned, get looked completely lost and befuddled in that game.

Here is a quote from a coach who had to plan against Prince and Miller in College (University of Kansas HC Chuck Long):

"Long also pored over plenty of film of Nebraska cornerback Prince Amukamara, who was part of a defense which allowed 15 passing yards in 20-3 win over the Jayhawks this past season. Amukamara, like Miller, is viewed as a high-end, first-round pick and San Francisco is a logical landing spot.

Part of it certainly has to do with Amukamara’s position – cornerbacks can be avoided much easier than pass-rushers such as Miller – but Long wasn’t quite as enamored with the Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year.

“They have a great scheme there,” Long said. “And they played a lot of man, so when you play a lot of man, obviously you’ve got a lot of confidence in your corners. But they would wrap guys over the top to protect him a little bit. I don’t know how much he stood out to us. But I think he’s a good football player. He didn’t stand out as much as Von Miller did at his position, but he can play.”"

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/01/inside-the-49ers/senior-bowl-standout-miller-stood-out-on-film/

My point was this same video pops up in every thread that has his name in it.

Were going to get Peterson anyways, so Prince is just a nice consolation prize just in case.
No thanks. I'm not really impressed, but I don't like the Clements comparison either.

How can anyone call Nate a press CB when he lines up 10-15 yds deep every play? He's a physical CB that tries to keep WRs in front of him.
Although I'd rather have Von Miller or Robert Quinn, it's ridiculous to grade Prince on one game. People don't understand how different the college game is from the pro's. There are no, I repeat, no shut down corners in college football. Darelle Revis on tape at Pitt was beaten several times. College football is a spread offensive and pass happy league. What you look at in college corners translating to the pro's is playmaking ability, speed, and hip movement in which Prince excels everywhere.
I'm fine with Dareus, Prince, Vonn, and Quinn at 7 (assuming the guys like Peterson are not available).

There are very few guys I'd balk at with that spot.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by jreff22:
I HAVE A GREAT IDEA LETS KEEP PLAYING THE SAME CLIP OVER AND OVER


I think you are being misguided. Prince didn't just get burned, get looked completely lost and befuddled in that game.

Here is a quote from a coach who had to plan against Prince and Miller in College (University of Kansas HC Chuck Long):

"Long also pored over plenty of film of Nebraska cornerback Prince Amukamara, who was part of a defense which allowed 15 passing yards in 20-3 win over the Jayhawks this past season. Amukamara, like Miller, is viewed as a high-end, first-round pick and San Francisco is a logical landing spot.

Part of it certainly has to do with Amukamara’s position – cornerbacks can be avoided much easier than pass-rushers such as Miller – but Long wasn’t quite as enamored with the Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year.

“They have a great scheme there,” Long said. “And they played a lot of man, so when you play a lot of man, obviously you’ve got a lot of confidence in your corners. But they would wrap guys over the top to protect him a little bit. I don’t know how much he stood out to us. But I think he’s a good football player. He didn’t stand out as much as Von Miller did at his position, but he can play.”"

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/01/inside-the-49ers/senior-bowl-standout-miller-stood-out-on-film/

My point was this same video pops up in every thread that has his name in it.

Were going to get Peterson anyways, so Prince is just a nice consolation prize just in case.

Were getting Peterson?
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by jreff22:
I HAVE A GREAT IDEA LETS KEEP PLAYING THE SAME CLIP OVER AND OVER


I think you are being misguided. Prince didn't just get burned, get looked completely lost and befuddled in that game.

Here is a quote from a coach who had to plan against Prince and Miller in College (University of Kansas HC Chuck Long):

"Long also pored over plenty of film of Nebraska cornerback Prince Amukamara, who was part of a defense which allowed 15 passing yards in 20-3 win over the Jayhawks this past season. Amukamara, like Miller, is viewed as a high-end, first-round pick and San Francisco is a logical landing spot.

Part of it certainly has to do with Amukamara’s position – cornerbacks can be avoided much easier than pass-rushers such as Miller – but Long wasn’t quite as enamored with the Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year.

“They have a great scheme there,” Long said. “And they played a lot of man, so when you play a lot of man, obviously you’ve got a lot of confidence in your corners. But they would wrap guys over the top to protect him a little bit. I don’t know how much he stood out to us. But I think he’s a good football player. He didn’t stand out as much as Von Miller did at his position, but he can play.”"

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/01/inside-the-49ers/senior-bowl-standout-miller-stood-out-on-film/

My point was this same video pops up in every thread that has his name in it.

Were going to get Peterson anyways, so Prince is just a nice consolation prize just in case.

Were getting Peterson?

YES HAVE FAITH

Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by jreff22:
I HAVE A GREAT IDEA LETS KEEP PLAYING THE SAME CLIP OVER AND OVER


I think you are being misguided. Prince didn't just get burned, get looked completely lost and befuddled in that game.

Here is a quote from a coach who had to plan against Prince and Miller in College (University of Kansas HC Chuck Long):

"Long also pored over plenty of film of Nebraska cornerback Prince Amukamara, who was part of a defense which allowed 15 passing yards in 20-3 win over the Jayhawks this past season. Amukamara, like Miller, is viewed as a high-end, first-round pick and San Francisco is a logical landing spot.

Part of it certainly has to do with Amukamara’s position – cornerbacks can be avoided much easier than pass-rushers such as Miller – but Long wasn’t quite as enamored with the Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year.

“They have a great scheme there,” Long said. “And they played a lot of man, so when you play a lot of man, obviously you’ve got a lot of confidence in your corners. But they would wrap guys over the top to protect him a little bit. I don’t know how much he stood out to us. But I think he’s a good football player. He didn’t stand out as much as Von Miller did at his position, but he can play.”"

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/01/inside-the-49ers/senior-bowl-standout-miller-stood-out-on-film/

My point was this same video pops up in every thread that has his name in it.

Were going to get Peterson anyways, so Prince is just a nice consolation prize just in case.

Were getting Peterson?

YES HAVE FAITH


I want to beleive but just dont see his talents falling to #7.
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