Which current players are sure-fire future hall of famers?

Originally posted by GoldenIowa49er:
i'm not even gonna mess with that crap

Originally posted by statman:
Here's my list, broken down by team. I also included players that some might consider future hall of famers, just not by me (italicized).

Arizona Cardinals
WR Larry Fitzgerald--still to early. Probably will but no definate.
OG Alan Faneca--Yes
OLB Joey Porter--Nope. Really good player but not HOF material.
SS Adrian Wilson---See above

Atlanta Falcons
TE Tony Gonzalez--Yes
DE John Abraham--Nope. Really good player but not HOF material

Baltimore Ravens
C Matt Birk--Iffy on this one. He's been great for a long time.
TE Todd Heap--No, no chance in hell. He's not nor ever will be Tony G.
LB Ray Lewis--Yes
FS Ed Reed--Yes

Buffalo Bills
None

Carolina Panthers
LB Jon Beason--Way too early to tell. But I doubt he gets in.
WR Steve Smith--No. Really good WR but not HOF material

Chicago Bears
C Olin Kreutz--50/50
KR/PR Devin Hester--Yes as a ST player.
LB Brian Urlacher--More likely yes but not definate
DE Julius Peppers--50/50

Cincinnati Bengals
None

Cleveland Browns
LT Joe Thomas--Too early to tell but he's headed that way

Dallas Cowboys
OLB Demarcus Ware--Yes if he keeps it up
TE Jason Witten--No way. Again, he's not Tony G.

Denver Broncos
FS Brian Dawkins--I hope he gets in but he's no definate.
CB Champ Bailey--Yes
LT Ryan Clady--Too early to tell but he's headed that way

Detroit Lions
WR Calvin Johnson--Too early to tell but he's headed that way
DT NDamukong Suh--See above

Green Bay Packers
QB Aaron Rodgers--Too early to tell but he's headed that way
WR Donald Driver--No. good WR but not great enough stats

Houston Texans
WR Andre Johnson--Too early to tell but he's headed that way

Indianapolis Colts
QB Peyton Manning--YES
C Jeff Saturday--50/50
DE Dwight Freeney--Yes
K Adam Vinatieri--YES
WR Reggie Wayne--Too early to tell but he's headed that way
RT Ryan Diem--NO.

Jacksonville Jaguars
None

Kansas City Chiefs
OG Brian Waters--50/50

Miami Dolphins
WR Brandon Marshall--No. Started off great. slowed down a bit. wont have the numbers

Minnesota Vikings
QB Brett Favre--Yes
OG Steve Hutchinson--Yes
DT Pat Williams--50/50
DE Jared Allen--50/50

New England Patriots
QB Tom Brady--YES
LT Matt Light--50/50
NT Vince Wilfork--50/50
C Dan Koppen--not sure

New Orleans Saints
QB Drew Brees--YES
LB Jonathan Vilma--50/50 but i'd say probably no

New York Giants
LT David Diehl--No
OG Chris Snee--No
C Shaun O'Hara--No

New York Jets
C Nick Mangold--Too early to tell but he's headed that way
CB Darrelle Revis--Too early to tell but he's headed that way
DE Shaun Ellis--No

Oakland Raiders
P Shane Lechler--Tough one. He's the best at teh position. Don't know too much about punters. But I'll say yes.

Philadelphia Eagles
QB Michael Vick--No. Unless he keeps this up for atleast 4 more years.

Pittsburgh Steelers
QB Ben Roethlisberger--Too early to tell but he's headed that way. His stock is more with rings than actual numbers
WR Hines Ward--No. Solid players, doesnt have the numbers
OLB James Harrison--No. Really good last two seasons but i doubt he keeps it up.
NT Casey Hampton--50/50
SS Troy Polamalu--Too early to tell but he's headed that way
LB James Farrior--No

San Diego Chargers
QB Philip Rivers--Too early to tell but he's headed that way
TE Antonio Gates--YES

San Francisco 49ers
LB Patrick Willis--YES
RB Frank Gore--Nope. Not enough numbers. sorry.
RB Brian Westbrook--No. Great player but 3-5 thousand yards short.

Seattle Seahawks
None

St. Louis Rams
RB Steven Jackson--Too early to tell but he's headed that way. I just think injurires will riddle his career soon enough.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
CB Ronde Barber--Tough one. Id say no

Tennessee Titans
WR Randy Moss--Yes. Has the numbers.
RB Chris Johnson--Too early to tell but he's headed that way

Washington Redskins
LB London Fletcher--Great LB but not great enough for HOF
QB Donovan McNabb--50/50. Very tough one. I'd say he squeaks on in. But he's no guarantee

Thoughts? Did I miss somebody, or add somebody who shouldn't be there?

Whoa...way too many names. See my notes above.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by GoldenIowa49er:
i'm not even gonna mess with that crap

Maybe you should say what you disagree with instead of just calling it crap? I'm sure there's some guys on there that are arguable, but at least say which ones you don't agree with.

Originally posted by Amir_Mamu:
Whoa...way too many names. See my notes above.

Thanks for the notes.

I'll try and give a counterargument to some of them. I'll leave out the italicized guys. I don't know if I was clear enough or not, but those are guys that I consider great players, but not HOF material.

Originally posted by Amir_Mamu:
Pittsburgh Steelers
QB Ben Roethlisberger--Too early to tell but he's headed that way. His stock is more with rings than actual numbers
WR Hines Ward--No. Solid players, doesnt have the numbers
OLB James Harrison--No. Really good last two seasons but i doubt he keeps it up.
NT Casey Hampton--50/50
SS Troy Polamalu--Too early to tell but he's headed that way

I'm surprised you disagree with all of these. I think these guys have the strongest case to get in, Ben especially. A lot of times it's not completely about stats, rings go a long way.

I think of those guys, Ben and Troy definitely get in, Hampton is 50/50, and Ward and Harrison will depend on whether their stats are somewhat overlooked.

Originally posted by Amir_Mamu:
RB Chris Johnson--Too early to tell but he's headed that way

He's already got a 2,000 yd season under his belt. If he puts together even 2 or 3 1,500 yd seasons, I think he definitely gets in.

Originally posted by Amir_Mamu:
LB London Fletcher--Great LB but not great enough for HOF

WHAT?!? I think he easily gets in. He's had 100+ tackles every season since 1998.

Look at these stats: http://www.nfl.com/players/londonfletcher/careerstats?id=FLE665780



Thanks for the feedback

Originally posted by statman:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by statman:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
You have WAY too many guys on this list as sure fire Hall of Famers. Just a few examples:

Steve Smith? Please
Mike Vick? Why dont you let him play a couple of more years
Todd Heap? Seriously? Did he suddenly become Tony Gonzo?
Frank Gore.. Frank is good but HOF? No way.
Brian Westbrook - WOW. no chance - about 5,000 yards short
Shane Lechler - if Ray Guy isnt in the HOF then this guy wont be either

There are many on here that are not good enough or dont have nearly enough years to say they are sure fire guys.

Read it again.

All those guys (except for Heap and Lechler) are listed as guys who could be CONSIDERED future hall of famers, but not by me.

I think Heap gets in.

Maybe I went a little far with Lechler.

Upon further review, Heap doesn't even have a 1,000 yd season. Maybe I should take him off.

Anybody else who shouldn't be on there?

Mostly all of them.

Originally posted by Sjceruti:

Originally posted by statman:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by statman:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
You have WAY too many guys on this list as sure fire Hall of Famers. Just a few examples:

Steve Smith? Please
Mike Vick? Why dont you let him play a couple of more years
Todd Heap? Seriously? Did he suddenly become Tony Gonzo?
Frank Gore.. Frank is good but HOF? No way.
Brian Westbrook - WOW. no chance - about 5,000 yards short
Shane Lechler - if Ray Guy isnt in the HOF then this guy wont be either

There are many on here that are not good enough or dont have nearly enough years to say they are sure fire guys.

Read it again.

All those guys (except for Heap and Lechler) are listed as guys who could be CONSIDERED future hall of famers, but not by me.

I think Heap gets in.

Maybe I went a little far with Lechler.

Upon further review, Heap doesn't even have a 1,000 yd season. Maybe I should take him off.

Anybody else who shouldn't be on there?

Mostly all of them.

Such as...

Originally posted by statman:

Originally posted by Sjceruti:

Originally posted by statman:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by statman:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
You have WAY too many guys on this list as sure fire Hall of Famers. Just a few examples:

Steve Smith? Please
Mike Vick? Why dont you let him play a couple of more years
Todd Heap? Seriously? Did he suddenly become Tony Gonzo?
Frank Gore.. Frank is good but HOF? No way.
Brian Westbrook - WOW. no chance - about 5,000 yards short
Shane Lechler - if Ray Guy isnt in the HOF then this guy wont be either

There are many on here that are not good enough or dont have nearly enough years to say they are sure fire guys.

Read it again.

All those guys (except for Heap and Lechler) are listed as guys who could be CONSIDERED future hall of famers, but not by me.

I think Heap gets in.

Maybe I went a little far with Lechler.

Upon further review, Heap doesn't even have a 1,000 yd season. Maybe I should take him off.

Anybody else who shouldn't be on there?

Mostly all of them.

Such as...

Christ...

Joey Porter
Adrian Wilson
John Abraham
Todd Heap
John Beason
Steve Smith
Joe Thomas
Ryan Clady
Calvin Johnson
Ndahukong Suh
Aaron Rodgers
Donald Driver
Ryan Diem (my personal favorite, literally spit out my drink)
Brandon Marshall
Jared Allen
All your Giants Olinemen
Shaun Ellis
Mike Vick
Heinz Ward
James Harrison
James Farrior
Phillip Rivers
Patrick Willis
Frank Gore
Stephen Jackson
Chris Johnson
London Fletcher

Most because its far, far to early or they didnt do it for long.

Originally posted by Sjceruti:

Originally posted by statman:

Originally posted by Sjceruti:

Originally posted by statman:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by statman:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
You have WAY too many guys on this list as sure fire Hall of Famers. Just a few examples:

Steve Smith? Please
Mike Vick? Why dont you let him play a couple of more years
Todd Heap? Seriously? Did he suddenly become Tony Gonzo?
Frank Gore.. Frank is good but HOF? No way.
Brian Westbrook - WOW. no chance - about 5,000 yards short
Shane Lechler - if Ray Guy isnt in the HOF then this guy wont be either

There are many on here that are not good enough or dont have nearly enough years to say they are sure fire guys.

Read it again.

All those guys (except for Heap and Lechler) are listed as guys who could be CONSIDERED future hall of famers, but not by me.

I think Heap gets in.

Maybe I went a little far with Lechler.

Upon further review, Heap doesn't even have a 1,000 yd season. Maybe I should take him off.

Anybody else who shouldn't be on there?

Mostly all of them.

Such as...

Christ...

Joey Porter
Adrian Wilson
John Abraham
Todd Heap
John Beason
Steve Smith
Joe Thomas
Ryan Clady
Calvin Johnson
Ndahukong Suh
Aaron Rodgers
Donald Driver
Ryan Diem (my personal favorite, literally spit out my drink)
Brandon Marshall
Jared Allen
All your Giants Olinemen
Shaun Ellis
Mike Vick
Heinz Ward
James Harrison
James Farrior
Phillip Rivers
Patrick Willis
Frank Gore
Stephen Jackson
Chris Johnson
London Fletcher

Most because its far, far to early or they didnt do it for long.

Christ...

Is it so hard to understand that the guys in italics are players that I consider great, but NOT future hall of famers? Especially considering I wrote it in the post?

So these guys you listed:

Quote:
Joey Porter
Adrian Wilson
John Abraham
John Beason
Steve Smith
Ryan Clady
Calvin Johnson
Ndahukong Suh
Aaron Rodgers
Donald Driver
Ryan Diem (my personal favorite, literally spit out my drink)
Brandon Marshall
Jared Allen
Chris Snee
Shaun O'Hara
Shaun Ellis
Mike Vick
James Farrior
Phillip Rivers
Frank Gore
Stephen Jackson

have nothing to do with it, leaving these guys you disagree with:

Quote:
Todd Heap
Joe Thomas
David Diehl
Hines Ward
James Harrison
Patrick Willis
Chris Johnson
London Fletcher

And then you say most shouldn't be on there because it's too early. Well that's the whole point, to predict who will continue playing well enough to be considered a hall of famer.

Anyways...

Todd Heap: yeah, he shouldn't be on there. He's a lot worse than I thought.
Joe Thomas: best LT in the NFL, if he keeps going, he'll easily be in the HOF
David Diehl: debatable, just a gut feeling that if he keeps going, he'll be in the HOF
Hines Ward: stats aren't the best, but it's not all about stats. I think they'll recognize that he's integral to the Steelers success, I say he's easily in
James Harrison: debatable, he might not get in
Patrick Willis: he's in
Chris Johnson: he's been in the league 3 seasons, each one he's gone over 1,200 yds, and he went over 2,000 in one of them. If he keeps that up for even 3 or 4 more seasons, he's in
London Fletcher: 120+ tackles every season since 1998. He's easily in.

Originally posted by Amir_Mamu:

Originally posted by statman:
Here's my list, broken down by team. I also included players that some might consider future hall of famers, just not by me (italicized).

Arizona Cardinals
WR Larry Fitzgerald--still to early. Probably will but no definate.
OG Alan Faneca--Yes
OLB Joey Porter--Nope. Really good player but not HOF material.
SS Adrian Wilson---See above

Atlanta Falcons
TE Tony Gonzalez--Yes
DE John Abraham--Nope. Really good player but not HOF material

Baltimore Ravens
C Matt Birk--Iffy on this one. He's been great for a long time.
TE Todd Heap--No, no chance in hell. He's not nor ever will be Tony G.
LB Ray Lewis--Yes
FS Ed Reed--Yes

Buffalo Bills
None

Carolina Panthers
LB Jon Beason--Way too early to tell. But I doubt he gets in.
WR Steve Smith--No. Really good WR but not HOF material

Chicago Bears
C Olin Kreutz--50/50
KR/PR Devin Hester--Yes as a ST player.
LB Brian Urlacher--More likely yes but not definate
DE Julius Peppers--50/50

Cincinnati Bengals
None

Cleveland Browns
LT Joe Thomas--Too early to tell but he's headed that way

Dallas Cowboys
OLB Demarcus Ware--Yes if he keeps it up
TE Jason Witten--No way. Again, he's not Tony G.

Denver Broncos
FS Brian Dawkins--I hope he gets in but he's no definate.
CB Champ Bailey--Yes
LT Ryan Clady--Too early to tell but he's headed that way

Detroit Lions
WR Calvin Johnson--Too early to tell but he's headed that way
DT NDamukong Suh--See above

Green Bay Packers
QB Aaron Rodgers--Too early to tell but he's headed that way
WR Donald Driver--No. good WR but not great enough stats

Houston Texans
WR Andre Johnson--Too early to tell but he's headed that way

Indianapolis Colts
QB Peyton Manning--YES
C Jeff Saturday--50/50
DE Dwight Freeney--Yes
K Adam Vinatieri--YES
WR Reggie Wayne--Too early to tell but he's headed that way
RT Ryan Diem--NO.

Jacksonville Jaguars
None

Kansas City Chiefs
OG Brian Waters--50/50

Miami Dolphins
WR Brandon Marshall--No. Started off great. slowed down a bit. wont have the numbers

Minnesota Vikings
QB Brett Favre--Yes
OG Steve Hutchinson--Yes
DT Pat Williams--50/50
DE Jared Allen--50/50

New England Patriots
QB Tom Brady--YES
LT Matt Light--50/50
NT Vince Wilfork--50/50
C Dan Koppen--not sure

New Orleans Saints
QB Drew Brees--YES
LB Jonathan Vilma--50/50 but i'd say probably no

New York Giants
LT David Diehl--No
OG Chris Snee--No
C Shaun O'Hara--No

New York Jets
C Nick Mangold--Too early to tell but he's headed that way
CB Darrelle Revis--Too early to tell but he's headed that way
DE Shaun Ellis--No

Oakland Raiders
P Shane Lechler--Tough one. He's the best at teh position. Don't know too much about punters. But I'll say yes.

Philadelphia Eagles
QB Michael Vick--No. Unless he keeps this up for atleast 4 more years.

Pittsburgh Steelers
QB Ben Roethlisberger--Too early to tell but he's headed that way. His stock is more with rings than actual numbers
WR Hines Ward--No. Solid players, doesnt have the numbers
OLB James Harrison--No. Really good last two seasons but i doubt he keeps it up.
NT Casey Hampton--50/50
SS Troy Polamalu--Too early to tell but he's headed that way
LB James Farrior--No

San Diego Chargers
QB Philip Rivers--Too early to tell but he's headed that way
TE Antonio Gates--YES

San Francisco 49ers
LB Patrick Willis--YES
RB Frank Gore--Nope. Not enough numbers. sorry.
RB Brian Westbrook--No. Great player but 3-5 thousand yards short.

Seattle Seahawks
None

St. Louis Rams
RB Steven Jackson--Too early to tell but he's headed that way. I just think injurires will riddle his career soon enough.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
CB Ronde Barber--Tough one. Id say no

Tennessee Titans
WR Randy Moss--Yes. Has the numbers.
RB Chris Johnson--Too early to tell but he's headed that way

Washington Redskins
LB London Fletcher--Great LB but not great enough for HOF
QB Donovan McNabb--50/50. Very tough one. I'd say he squeaks on in. But he's no guarantee

Thoughts? Did I miss somebody, or add somebody who shouldn't be there?

Whoa...way too many names. See my notes above.

You apparently don't realize that Gates and Witten have been in the league the same amount of yes a Witten is 38 yards short of Gates. With nearly 100 more catches. Though Gates' nearly 2-1 (69-36)TD's over Witten is a big ouch! I still see Witten getting in. He should easily pass KWI (45) and Ozzie Newsome (47) by the time he's done. Witten is only 28 years old. I understand it's a different era than KWI and the OZ but.........

LMAO that's way too many hall of famers