Who do you not want us to draft?

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
I know the team needs better pass-rush, but I would be worried if they used the #7 pick on a pass-rush specialist. I mean, when was the last time a top 10 pick was used on a pass-rush specialist 3-4 OLB that ended up being worth his spot in the draft?

Demarcus Ware was #11, that is close enough.

The bigger question is how many times has a pass-rush specialist 3-4 OLB been taken in the top 10 at all? I don't think the failure ratio is nearly as bad as you make it out to be.

Demarcus Ware was taken 11th in the 05 draft. I know technically that is not top 10 but its close.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 23zack80:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Blaine Gabbert - Not at #7

Cam Newton - Not at #7

Jake Locker - Not at all on the first day

Robert Quinn - Not at #7

What's wrong with Quinn?

After sitting out an entire year, I wouldn't be so quick to spend a #7 overall pick on him.

I totally agree with Quinn. Plus, I'm pretty sure the NCAA doesn't suspend you for an entire season for being humanitarian of the year. You have to do some pretty dumb things, that are obviously wrong, which he did. Missing an entire year at the formative level is a huge red flag as are his character concerns.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
I know the team needs better pass-rush, but I would be worried if they used the #7 pick on a pass-rush specialist. I mean, when was the last time a top 10 pick was used on a pass-rush specialist 3-4 OLB that ended up being worth his spot in the draft?

Demarcus Ware was #11, that is close enough.

The bigger question is how many times has a pass-rush specialist 3-4 OLB been taken in the top 10 at all? I don't think the failure ratio is nearly as bad as you make it out to be.

Aaron Maybin was taken #11 in the 2009 draft.

My concern is that I haven't seen a lot of OLB drafted high that end up being "game changers" in a long time, but I have seen a lot of flops. That's not saying that would happen with someone like Quinn, but it is enough to make me uncertain about the value of the pick.

Originally posted by TX9R:
Taylor Mays. Oh wait I said that last year and of course it happened.
Really if we go anywhere but CB or pass rusher I'll be pissed. That's where the top talent is at that point.

Absolutely this. I was about to post the exact same thing. Didn't/don't want Mays. And don't want anything to do with anyone who isn't an elite CB or pass rusher at #7.

And especially don't want a QB at 7. Far better values and possibly equal or better talent later in the draft at QB.

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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Blaine Gabbert - Not at #7

Cam Newton - Not at #7

Jake Locker - Not at all on the first day

Robert Quinn - Not at #7

Almost this-Add Mallet

Like its been stated by others, I will also go with Cam Newton. I don't want our team going anywhere near that kid.

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
I know the team needs better pass-rush, but I would be worried if they used the #7 pick on a pass-rush specialist. I mean, when was the last time a top 10 pick was used on a pass-rush specialist 3-4 OLB that ended up being worth his spot in the draft?

There's really only been one 3-4 OLB drafted in the top 10 in the last 20 years (Vernon Gholston in '08), so there's not a huge sample size.

Originally posted by Allx9er:
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You don't want Peterson?

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
I know the team needs better pass-rush, but I would be worried if they used the #7 pick on a pass-rush specialist. I mean, when was the last time a top 10 pick was used on a pass-rush specialist 3-4 OLB that ended up being worth his spot in the draft?

Demarcus Ware was #11, that is close enough.

The bigger question is how many times has a pass-rush specialist 3-4 OLB been taken in the top 10 at all? I don't think the failure ratio is nearly as bad as you make it out to be.

Aaron Maybin was taken #11 in the 2009 draft.

My concern is that I haven't seen a lot of OLB drafted high that end up being "game changers" in a long time, but I have seen a lot of flops. That's not saying that would happen with someone like Quinn, but it is enough to make me uncertain about the value of the pick.

Who are the top 10 pass-rush specialist 3-4 OLB's you're talking about? The one's you've seen a lot of?

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
I know the team needs better pass-rush, but I would be worried if they used the #7 pick on a pass-rush specialist. I mean, when was the last time a top 10 pick was used on a pass-rush specialist 3-4 OLB that ended up being worth his spot in the draft?

There's really only been one 3-4 OLB drafted in the top 10 in the last 20 years (Vernon Gholston in '08), so there's not a huge sample size.

That was my point. You can't say you've seen a lot of top 10 flops when there has barely been anyone to flop.

Originally posted by WildBill:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Blaine Gabbert - Not at #7

Cam Newton - Not at #7

Jake Locker - Not at all on the first day

Robert Quinn - Not at #7

Almost this-Add Mallet

OK, let me get this straight. The 4 teams left in the NFL playoffs all have QBs who were 1st-round picks; we have a new coach who's greatest strength may be developing QBs and who has stated, in contrast to his predecessor, that QB is the most important position; the draft has a number of high-ceiling QBs; the only QB on our roster is David Carr; and most of you all don't want to even consider drafting a QB! I beg to differ. Maybe there will be some way to trade back to the teens, pick up a 3rd, and still get one of those guys without picking them 7th, but we need to draft one early and give Harbaugh something to work with.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
I know the team needs better pass-rush, but I would be worried if they used the #7 pick on a pass-rush specialist. I mean, when was the last time a top 10 pick was used on a pass-rush specialist 3-4 OLB that ended up being worth his spot in the draft?

There's really only been one 3-4 OLB drafted in the top 10 in the last 20 years (Vernon Gholston in '08), so there's not a huge sample size.

That was my point. You can't say you've seen a lot of top 10 flops when there has barely been anyone to flop.

I think there is a reason why teams tend not to draft those kind of guys in the top 10, same as certain other positions.

As I tried to communicate with my original post, is that I have seen a lot of success, but I have seen some failures. It just doesn't seem like a top 10 pick kind of position. I know I could be wrong, but it still doesn't make my stomach any less queasy when thinking about drafting someone of that sort at #7.

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
I know the team needs better pass-rush, but I would be worried if they used the #7 pick on a pass-rush specialist. I mean, when was the last time a top 10 pick was used on a pass-rush specialist 3-4 OLB that ended up being worth his spot in the draft?

There's really only been one 3-4 OLB drafted in the top 10 in the last 20 years (Vernon Gholston in '08), so there's not a huge sample size.

That was my point. You can't say you've seen a lot of top 10 flops when there has barely been anyone to flop.

I think there is a reason why teams tend not to draft those kind of guys in the top 10, same as certain other positions.

As I tried to communicate with my original post, is that I have seen a lot of success, but I have seen some failures. It just doesn't seem like a top 10 pick kind of position. I know I could be wrong, but it still doesn't make my stomach any less queasy when thinking about drafting someone of that sort at #7.

I think it has to do with a player playing one position (DE) in college and being drafted to play a different position (OLB) in the pros. There's some added risk there that has to be considered, especially at the top of the draft where the financial risk is so huge.

I'm not saying this should guide our decision on Quinn (or anybody else), just that I think it explains some of the historical bias.