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Could we have four QBs in the top 10?

Gabbert
Newton if declares
Mallett
Locker

Could those four get in? How many teams in the draft need a QB?

Panthers
Bills
Cardinals
49ers
Titans
Redskins
Vikings
Dolphins
Seahawks

That's nine teams, wow! Let's say for argument sake that the Panthers stay with Clausen. The Dolphins stay with Henne and the Seahawks, Whitehurst. Therefore we have six teams vying for four QBs.

The key is where do the teams move towards? I believe just before us which benefits us since we have someone who can pick a QB in the second, third or fourth rounds just like...anyway.

Do you think we can get that kind of luck? Two to three QBs in the first six picks because someone traded in front of us. Can you imagine who drops? Wow!

If Newton declares, you can see a run possibly in the first ten. I feel that for sure within the first 15 as some team always reaches for their potential franchise QB.

What do you guys think? Who would you like to drop?

I think it is feasible and my choice would be Peterson. Even if we get Nnamdi.
Originally posted by ninertico:
Gabbert
Newton if declares
Mallett
Locker

Could those four get in? How many teams in the draft need a QB?

Panthers
Bills
Cardinals
49ers
Titans
Redskins
Vikings
Dolphins
Seahawks

That's nine teams, wow! Let's say for argument sake that the Panthers stay with Clausen. The Dolphins stay with Henne and the Seahawks, Whitehurst. Therefore we have six teams vying for four QBs.

The key is where do the teams move towards? I believe just before us which benefits us since we have someone who can pick a QB in the second, third or fourth rounds just like...anyway.

Do you think we can get that kind of luck? Two to three QBs in the first six picks because someone traded in front of us. Can you imagine who drops? Wow!

If Newton declares, you can see a run possibly in the first ten. I feel that for sure within the first 15 as some team always reaches for their potential franchise QB.

What do you guys think? Who would you like to drop?

I think it is feasible and my choice would be Peterson. Even if we get Nnamdi.
If there were four QBs drafted in the top 10 it would be one of the largest manipulations of the draft in history. It just points back to what a lack of decent QBs there are in the league.

With literally dozens of good receivers and running backs in the league, it is hard to find more than 10 QBs that could be considered "good," as defined as someone that could help his team into the playoffs.

A smart team will stockpile picks this year and be ready to move on the much better group next year.
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There certainly are enough high picking teams in need of a QB. and with the CBA being as screwed up as it is draft picks are the only thing that's certain. If you want to improve your team that's pretty much the only option right now, even though you can't sign the picks you get...lol.

I'd like bowers or fairley to fall, especially if we get nnamdi. No point in having that much money invested in two cb's since one is going to see more action than the other anyway. I felt like spencer did a decent enough job anyhow.

If we had two guys with justin smith-like qb-killing drive I think we'd be a scary team for any quarterback to face. Then you get a guy like nnamdi covering their top talent and we can have our safety+spencer double cover whoever else is a threat.

Keep in mind that this defense is also better than they made themselves out to be this year, it helps when you have an offense to take pressure off and to keep you resting on the bench.
Originally posted by mike:
There certainly are enough high picking teams in need of a QB. and with the CBA being as screwed up as it is draft picks are the only thing that's certain. If you want to improve your team that's pretty much the only option right now, even though you can't sign the picks you get...lol.

I'd like bowers or fairley to fall, especially if we get nnamdi. No point in having that much money invested in two cb's since one is going to see more action than the other anyway. I felt like spencer did a decent enough job anyhow.

If we had two guys with justin smith-like qb-killing drive I think we'd be a scary team for any quarterback to face. Then you get a guy like nnamdi covering their top talent and we can have our safety+spencer double cover whoever else is a threat.

Keep in mind that this defense is also better than they made themselves out to be this year, it helps when you have an offense to take pressure off and to keep you resting on the bench.

Like you're saying the CBA will dictate everything.

If there's no CBA before the draft then I would not be surprised to see 6 QBs taken in the first round, and more taken early in the second. Think about it. You have no idea what you'll be able to get when free agency finally happens. So if you don't draft a QB then you could be stuck with the same guys you already have. For some teams that means giving up the next season before it's even started. Teams will reach way more for QBs than ever before if the CBA does not happen before the draft.

But don't get too happy about it, because we're in an even worse situation than most of those other teams. We only have ONE QB on our team and that's David Carr. If any team is going to have to reach for a QB it will be US.

Sure, there might not be a QB there that's really worth the number 7 pick. But all those "second round QBs" could easily get snagged before our second pick if this draft turns into the QB feeding frenzy I think it could.
Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
Originally posted by mike:
There certainly are enough high picking teams in need of a QB. and with the CBA being as screwed up as it is draft picks are the only thing that's certain. If you want to improve your team that's pretty much the only option right now, even though you can't sign the picks you get...lol.

I'd like bowers or fairley to fall, especially if we get nnamdi. No point in having that much money invested in two cb's since one is going to see more action than the other anyway. I felt like spencer did a decent enough job anyhow.

If we had two guys with justin smith-like qb-killing drive I think we'd be a scary team for any quarterback to face. Then you get a guy like nnamdi covering their top talent and we can have our safety+spencer double cover whoever else is a threat.

Keep in mind that this defense is also better than they made themselves out to be this year, it helps when you have an offense to take pressure off and to keep you resting on the bench.

Like you're saying the CBA will dictate everything.

If there's no CBA before the draft then I would not be surprised to see 6 QBs taken in the first round, and more taken early in the second. Think about it. You have no idea what you'll be able to get when free agency finally happens. So if you don't draft a QB then you could be stuck with the same guys you already have. For some teams that means giving up the next season before it's even started. Teams will reach way more for QBs than ever before if the CBA does not happen before the draft.

But don't get too happy about it, because we're in an even worse situation than most of those other teams. We only have ONE QB on our team and that's David Carr. If any team is going to have to reach for a QB it will be US.

Sure, there might not be a QB there that's really worth the number 7 pick. But all those "second round QBs" could easily get snagged before our second pick if this draft turns into the QB feeding frenzy I think it could.

Yea, but we have a QB for a HC and he has a knack to pick QBs so...

"What's your deal?"
Honestly, I don't think either Newton or Locker or Mallett or Gabbert are can't miss QB prospects and I don't think any of them are 1st round prospects compared to other players. Maybe Mallett or Gabbert. I would say Gabbert has the best tools out of all of them to be a franchise QB for someone but he reminds me of Jay Cutler to be honest. If all 4 of them are picked in the top 10 I'd be shocked. Locker had problems with making decisions and accuracy, Newton has problems with accuracy and decision making and he only has 1 read a lot of the time, Mallett has problems movin his feet and tries too hard to fit the ball into windows that arent really there, and Gabbert is inexperienced plus his decision making was questionable in that bowl game. But he is atleast a pocket passer with a good arm, some mobility, pretty accurate, and he's got good height.

If we pick anyone I'd hope it'd be Gabbert, but I don't know if he'll be there. Plus guys like Amukamara, Peterson, Green, Fairley, Dareus, etc. are most likely all locks to atleast be good. One of these QBs could bust pretty easily and you could waste 3-4 years trying to get them to play well.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Honestly, I don't think either Newton or Locker or Mallett or Gabbert are can't miss QB prospects and I don't think any of them are 1st round prospects compared to other players. Maybe Mallett or Gabbert. I would say Gabbert has the best tools out of all of them to be a franchise QB for someone but he reminds me of Jay Cutler to be honest. If all 4 of them are picked in the top 10 I'd be shocked. Locker had problems with making decisions and accuracy, Newton has problems with accuracy and decision making and he only has 1 read a lot of the time, Mallett has problems movin his feet and tries too hard to fit the ball into windows that arent really there, and Gabbert is inexperienced plus his decision making was questionable in that bowl game. But he is atleast a pocket passer with a good arm, some mobility, pretty accurate, and he's got good height.

If we pick anyone I'd hope it'd be Gabbert, but I don't know if he'll be there. Plus guys like Amukamara, Peterson, Green, Fairley, Dareus, etc. are most likely all locks to atleast be good. One of these QBs could bust pretty easily and you could waste 3-4 years trying to get them to play well.

I understand that, but draft history dictates otherwise. Man, look at Sanchez as an example in a three QB first round with Stafford, Sanchez and Freeman in 2009. I see this year to be the same except with four players. Given where the real QB needy team slot, I really CAN see all four in the top ten with trades to move up by Minny, Wash and Tenn.

Anyway, I see at least two in the top seven, maybe three. The fact is I hope it happens because our D will benefit.
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Honestly, I don't think either Newton or Locker or Mallett or Gabbert are can't miss QB prospects and I don't think any of them are 1st round prospects compared to other players. Maybe Mallett or Gabbert. I would say Gabbert has the best tools out of all of them to be a franchise QB for someone but he reminds me of Jay Cutler to be honest. If all 4 of them are picked in the top 10 I'd be shocked. Locker had problems with making decisions and accuracy, Newton has problems with accuracy and decision making and he only has 1 read a lot of the time, Mallett has problems movin his feet and tries too hard to fit the ball into windows that arent really there, and Gabbert is inexperienced plus his decision making was questionable in that bowl game. But he is atleast a pocket passer with a good arm, some mobility, pretty accurate, and he's got good height.

If we pick anyone I'd hope it'd be Gabbert, but I don't know if he'll be there. Plus guys like Amukamara, Peterson, Green, Fairley, Dareus, etc. are most likely all locks to atleast be good. One of these QBs could bust pretty easily and you could waste 3-4 years trying to get them to play well.

I understand that, but draft history dictates otherwise. Man, look at Sanchez as an example in a three QB first round with Stafford, Sanchez and Freeman in 2009. I see this year to be the same except with four players. Given where the real QB needy team slot, I really CAN see all four in the top ten with trades to move up by Minny, Wash and Tenn.

Anyway, I see at least two in the top seven, maybe three. The fact is I hope it happens because our D will benefit.

It would be nice if other teams took those guys but I don't know if it'll happen. I'm guessing atleast 1 QB will be taken in the top 5, probably Gabbert or Mallett. From what I've heard though there'll likely be a run on the DLineman in the first few picks, Fairley, Bowers, Dareus, etc. I would like to see us get Amukamara, Peterson, or Robert Quinn. I would be pretty happy with Gabbert if we took a QB. I'm pretty sure Harbaugh won't be taking Locker or Mallett and I don't think Newton is that good of a QB to take him at #7, that'd be a horrendous reach.
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Honestly, I don't think either Newton or Locker or Mallett or Gabbert are can't miss QB prospects and I don't think any of them are 1st round prospects compared to other players. Maybe Mallett or Gabbert. I would say Gabbert has the best tools out of all of them to be a franchise QB for someone but he reminds me of Jay Cutler to be honest. If all 4 of them are picked in the top 10 I'd be shocked. Locker had problems with making decisions and accuracy, Newton has problems with accuracy and decision making and he only has 1 read a lot of the time, Mallett has problems movin his feet and tries too hard to fit the ball into windows that arent really there, and Gabbert is inexperienced plus his decision making was questionable in that bowl game. But he is atleast a pocket passer with a good arm, some mobility, pretty accurate, and he's got good height.

If we pick anyone I'd hope it'd be Gabbert, but I don't know if he'll be there. Plus guys like Amukamara, Peterson, Green, Fairley, Dareus, etc. are most likely all locks to atleast be good. One of these QBs could bust pretty easily and you could waste 3-4 years trying to get them to play well.

I understand that, but draft history dictates otherwise. Man, look at Sanchez as an example in a three QB first round with Stafford, Sanchez and Freeman in 2009. I see this year to be the same except with four players. Given where the real QB needy team slot, I really CAN see all four in the top ten with trades to move up by Minny, Wash and Tenn.

Anyway, I see at least two in the top seven, maybe three. The fact is I hope it happens because our D will benefit.

Tennessee probably won't trade up; they will probably be targeting Mallet, and they're right there at #8...no need to trade up there. Shanahan would go for Locker or Gabbert...same for Minnesota. Here's a scenario -- I think CLE would be inclined to trade down:

1. CAR - AJ Green
2. DEN - Patrick Peterson
3. BUF - Nick Fairley
4. CIN - Da-Quan Bowers
5. ARI - DE/OLB Robert Quinn
*6. MIN - QB Blaine Gabbert
7. SF - Jake Locker OR Prince Amukamura OR Marcel Dareus

Minnesota executes on this to jump in front of the 49ers because they're worried about Gabbert going to SF. Cleveland ships their #6 overall and a 5th rounder to Minnesota for their second-rounder.

Cleveland takes Julio Jones at #12...the guy they wanted all along.

We pull the trigger on Locker if Harbaugh is comfortable with him...if not we take Dareus over Amukamura. (easier to find a starting CB in the 2nd or 3rd round than a defensive lineman).
[ Edited by nickbradley on Jan 11, 2011 at 11:50 PM ]
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Honestly, I don't think either Newton or Locker or Mallett or Gabbert are can't miss QB prospects and I don't think any of them are 1st round prospects compared to other players. Maybe Mallett or Gabbert. I would say Gabbert has the best tools out of all of them to be a franchise QB for someone but he reminds me of Jay Cutler to be honest. If all 4 of them are picked in the top 10 I'd be shocked. Locker had problems with making decisions and accuracy, Newton has problems with accuracy and decision making and he only has 1 read a lot of the time, Mallett has problems movin his feet and tries too hard to fit the ball into windows that arent really there, and Gabbert is inexperienced plus his decision making was questionable in that bowl game. But he is atleast a pocket passer with a good arm, some mobility, pretty accurate, and he's got good height.

If we pick anyone I'd hope it'd be Gabbert, but I don't know if he'll be there. Plus guys like Amukamara, Peterson, Green, Fairley, Dareus, etc. are most likely all locks to atleast be good. One of these QBs could bust pretty easily and you could waste 3-4 years trying to get them to play well.

I understand that, but draft history dictates otherwise. Man, look at Sanchez as an example in a three QB first round with Stafford, Sanchez and Freeman in 2009. I see this year to be the same except with four players. Given where the real QB needy team slot, I really CAN see all four in the top ten with trades to move up by Minny, Wash and Tenn.

Anyway, I see at least two in the top seven, maybe three. The fact is I hope it happens because our D will benefit.

Tennessee probably won't trade up; they will probably be targeting Mallet, and they're right there at #8...no need to trade up there. Shanahan would go for Locker or Gabbert...same for Minnesota. Here's a scenario -- I think CLE would be inclined to trade down:

1. CAR - AJ Green
2. DEN - Patrick Peterson
3. BUF - Nick Fairley
4. CIN - Da-Quan Bowers
5. ARI - DE/OLB Robert Quinn
*6. MIN - QB Blaine Gabbert
7. SF - Jake Locker OR Prince Amukamura OR Marcel Dareus

Minnesota executes on this to jump in front of the 49ers because they're worried about Gabbert going to SF. Cleveland ships their #6 overall and a 5th rounder to Minnesota for their second-rounder.

My guess is Carolina picks Fairley since Rivera said they'll stay in the 4-3 D where he'd be a monster at DT.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Honestly, I don't think either Newton or Locker or Mallett or Gabbert are can't miss QB prospects and I don't think any of them are 1st round prospects compared to other players. Maybe Mallett or Gabbert. I would say Gabbert has the best tools out of all of them to be a franchise QB for someone but he reminds me of Jay Cutler to be honest. If all 4 of them are picked in the top 10 I'd be shocked. Locker had problems with making decisions and accuracy, Newton has problems with accuracy and decision making and he only has 1 read a lot of the time, Mallett has problems movin his feet and tries too hard to fit the ball into windows that arent really there, and Gabbert is inexperienced plus his decision making was questionable in that bowl game. But he is atleast a pocket passer with a good arm, some mobility, pretty accurate, and he's got good height.

If we pick anyone I'd hope it'd be Gabbert, but I don't know if he'll be there. Plus guys like Amukamara, Peterson, Green, Fairley, Dareus, etc. are most likely all locks to atleast be good. One of these QBs could bust pretty easily and you could waste 3-4 years trying to get them to play well.

I understand that, but draft history dictates otherwise. Man, look at Sanchez as an example in a three QB first round with Stafford, Sanchez and Freeman in 2009. I see this year to be the same except with four players. Given where the real QB needy team slot, I really CAN see all four in the top ten with trades to move up by Minny, Wash and Tenn.

Anyway, I see at least two in the top seven, maybe three. The fact is I hope it happens because our D will benefit.

Tennessee probably won't trade up; they will probably be targeting Mallet, and they're right there at #8...no need to trade up there. Shanahan would go for Locker or Gabbert...same for Minnesota. Here's a scenario -- I think CLE would be inclined to trade down:

1. CAR - AJ Green
2. DEN - Patrick Peterson
3. BUF - Nick Fairley
4. CIN - Da-Quan Bowers
5. ARI - DE/OLB Robert Quinn
*6. MIN - QB Blaine Gabbert
7. SF - Jake Locker OR Prince Amukamura OR Marcel Dareus

Minnesota executes on this to jump in front of the 49ers because they're worried about Gabbert going to SF. Cleveland ships their #6 overall and a 5th rounder to Minnesota for their second-rounder.

My guess is Carolina picks Fairley since Rivera said they'll stay in the 4-3 D where he'd be a monster at DT.

The Fairley hype machine started up this morning...very good chance they take Fairley. But if Rivera is HC, maybe he feels he can "coach up" what they have...so they take AJ Green to make Clausen look at lot better.
"Need" will always push the top-tier QBs up in the draft, even if they're not deserving. They're just so critical to the success/failure of your team, that organizations are often willing to take chances on guys that have the raw talent but aren't quite the complete package yet.

The key is having the right people around that young QB, to make sure he develops properly. This doesn't always ensure success, but it sure as hell helps.
I think we will have 2 - 3 at least.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
"Need" will always push the top-tier QBs up in the draft, even if they're not deserving. They're just so critical to the success/failure of your team, that organizations are often willing to take chances on guys that have the raw talent but aren't quite the complete package yet.

The key is having the right people around that young QB, to make sure he develops properly. This doesn't always ensure success, but it sure as hell helps.

Completely agree!
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
"Need" will always push the top-tier QBs up in the draft, even if they're not deserving. They're just so critical to the success/failure of your team, that organizations are often willing to take chances on guys that have the raw talent but aren't quite the complete package yet.

The key is having the right people around that young QB, to make sure he develops properly. This doesn't always ensure success, but it sure as hell helps.

We have the right "QB Developer" now. Dingleberry or NoWin would absolutely ruin any of those guys. I belive Harbaugh can get the most out of whoever we pick. It's not a guarantee. But our chances of success in that category have risen considerably.
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