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Senior Bowl + Combine = GARBAGE

I feel this way generally regarding every position, but especially when it comes to QB.

A b*llsh*t "all star" game and glorified meat market should NOT overrule 3 OR 4 YEARS OF ON FIELD PRODUCTION (or lack thereof).

Just read in another thread that if Locker has a good Senior Bowl and combine, the Niners might have to take him at #7.

Uh, no.

Im sure there are plenty of college players we've watched over the past few years that a good few series or "short shuttle" time should not change our opinions.

There's 2 and a half months between the Super Bowl and NFL Draft. Way too much time to overanalyze. Last year, there was exactly 1 WEEK between game 7 of the NBA finals and the draft. Now, that's a bit extreme, but Im sure the draft wouldve turned out differently if the "experts" had a ton more time to evaluate players.

Mike Mamula, Akili Smith, Vernon Gholston, anyone?

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Awful thread
Dominant thread.

Weak response.

But at least you gave adequate reasons.

Blake_Fever
Senior Bowl is pretty important to evaluate the players. First, they are going up against some of the best players - who are all likely be NFL players in summer. So, the competition level is pretty high.

But, the most important aspect is not just the game itself, but the practices. How quickly a player can learn the plays, how much can he remember, and how he handles and deals with the pressure. It gives coaches a whole weak to work with the players, and helps them learn a lot about them.
The combines and other games are evaluation for other teams players from smaller schools to compete to show what they have got against the bigger schools players.

If you think its garbage, thats all you. But to many NFL teams it is a very important evaluation of talent first hand. Without these games and combines we wouldnt have heard of these great players like: Terrell Owens, Michael Strahan, Steve Largent, Brian Urlacher, Walter Payton, Steve McNair, Brett Farve, Curtis Martin, Randall McDaniel, Art Monk, Thirman Thomas, Dan Marino, Ozzie Newsome, and a TON of other players.

NFL players just dont come from big time programs, just because they dont play D1, or from smaller schools dont meant that they cant play NFL ball. Again without these games and combines NFL GMs wouldnt have a clue how they would fare against other players from other schools and lesser divisions.

Your beleifs couldn't be further off from what the games actually mean to NFL teams.
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
The combines and other games are evaluation for other teams players from smaller schools to compete to show what they have got against the bigger schools players.

If you think its garbage, thats all you. But to many NFL teams it is a very important evaluation of talent first hand. Without these games and combines we wouldnt have heard of these great players like: Terrell Owens, Michael Strahan, Steve Largent, Brian Urlacher, Walter Payton, Steve McNair, Brett Farve, Curtis Martin, Randall McDaniel, Art Monk, Thirman Thomas, Dan Marino, Ozzie Newsome, and a TON of other players.

NFL players just dont come from big time programs, just because they dont play D1, or from smaller schools dont meant that they cant play NFL ball. Again without these games and combines NFL GMs wouldnt have a clue how they would fare against other players from other schools and lesser divisions.

Your beleifs couldn't be further off from what the games actually mean to NFL teams.

It really goes beyond this.

Take Mike Iupati as an example. We all knew he dominated in college at OG and was a 1st round pick on film but he dominated against lesser talent because Idaho doesn't play a tough schedule. At the SB practices we got see him going up against much better talent and still look like a 1st round talent.

Some also wanted to know whether or not he could play OT. He got the chance to line up at both LT and RT and again face some of the top competition coming out to give teams an idea of his skill set and where it would fit best within their scheme.

At that is just one small example.
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Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
The combines and other games are evaluation for other teams players from smaller schools to compete to show what they have got against the bigger schools players.

If you think its garbage, thats all you. But to many NFL teams it is a very important evaluation of talent first hand. Without these games and combines we wouldnt have heard of these great players like: Terrell Owens, Michael Strahan, Steve Largent, Brian Urlacher, Walter Payton, Steve McNair, Brett Farve, Curtis Martin, Randall McDaniel, Art Monk, Thirman Thomas, Dan Marino, Ozzie Newsome, and a TON of other players.

NFL players just dont come from big time programs, just because they dont play D1, or from smaller schools dont meant that they cant play NFL ball. Again without these games and combines NFL GMs wouldnt have a clue how they would fare against other players from other schools and lesser divisions.

Your beleifs couldn't be further off from what the games actually mean to NFL teams.

It really goes beyond this.

Take Mike Iupati as an example. We all knew he dominated in college at OG and was a 1st round pick on film but he dominated against lesser talent because Idaho doesn't play a tough schedule. At the SB practices we got see him going up against much better talent and still look like a 1st round talent.

Some also wanted to know whether or not he could play OT. He got the chance to line up at both LT and RT and again face some of the top competition coming out to give teams an idea of his skill set and where it would fit best within their scheme.

At that is just one small example.

And another reason for the importance of the Senior Bowl and Combine is to see if a player who comes from a gimmicky offense can adapt to a Pro Style offense. Like for QB's who always take snaps from shot-gun formations, can they make the transition to taking snaps while dropping back and reading a defense. And for the Combine, some players in college were listed taller or bigger than they actually were. Take for instance Aaron Rodgers, in college he was listed as 6'4", but when he got to the Combine and measured in at 6'2" his stock took a hit somewhat. Lets also take into the fact that these players when they go to the Combine are closely interviewed to get a feel of the players character, at least give teams a bit of a chance to know if he'll be a Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf in the Pro's.

And in the end the Senior Bowl and Combine is nothing but a process or a job interview.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
The combines and other games are evaluation for other teams players from smaller schools to compete to show what they have got against the bigger schools players.

If you think its garbage, thats all you. But to many NFL teams it is a very important evaluation of talent first hand. Without these games and combines we wouldnt have heard of these great players like: Terrell Owens, Michael Strahan, Steve Largent, Brian Urlacher, Walter Payton, Steve McNair, Brett Farve, Curtis Martin, Randall McDaniel, Art Monk, Thirman Thomas, Dan Marino, Ozzie Newsome, and a TON of other players.

NFL players just dont come from big time programs, just because they dont play D1, or from smaller schools dont meant that they cant play NFL ball. Again without these games and combines NFL GMs wouldnt have a clue how they would fare against other players from other schools and lesser divisions.

Your beleifs couldn't be further off from what the games actually mean to NFL teams.

It really goes beyond this.

Take Mike Iupati as an example. We all knew he dominated in college at OG and was a 1st round pick on film but he dominated against lesser talent because Idaho doesn't play a tough schedule. At the SB practices we got see him going up against much better talent and still look like a 1st round talent.

Some also wanted to know whether or not he could play OT. He got the chance to line up at both LT and RT and again face some of the top competition coming out to give teams an idea of his skill set and where it would fit best within their scheme.

At that is just one small example.

And another reason for the importance of the Senior Bowl and Combine is to see if a player who comes from a gimmicky offense can adapt to a Pro Style offense. Like for QB's who always take snaps from shot-gun formations, can they make the transition to taking snaps while dropping back and reading a defense. And for the Combine, some players in college were listed taller or bigger than they actually were. Take for instance Aaron Rodgers, in college he was listed as 6'4", but when he got to the Combine and measured in at 6'2" his stock took a hit somewhat. Lets also take into the fact that these players when they go to the Combine are closely interviewed to get a feel of the players character, at least give teams a bit of a chance to know if he'll be a Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf in the Pro's.

And in the end the Senior Bowl and Combine is nothing but a process or a job interview.

Remember how Graham Harrell had his deficiencies masked by Mike Leach in the TT offense, but was exposed at the combine when it came to making all the NFL throws.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
And in the end the Senior Bowl and Combine is nothing but a process or a job interview.

The game film is the equivalent to a players resume. The SB, Combine & Pro Days (and in some cases the private workouts teams hold with the allotted 20 players) are likened to the job interview. You don't hire someone just because the resume is impressive, you need to actually interview the person as well, and check out his references (in the NFL it's a background check, where they start talking to friends, family, past coaches, the guy up the street, your trash man, the guy who took your orders at the local pizzeria etc).
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Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
The combines and other games are evaluation for other teams players from smaller schools to compete to show what they have got against the bigger schools players.

If you think its garbage, thats all you. But to many NFL teams it is a very important evaluation of talent first hand. Without these games and combines we wouldnt have heard of these great players like: Terrell Owens, Michael Strahan, Steve Largent, Brian Urlacher, Walter Payton, Steve McNair, Brett Farve, Curtis Martin, Randall McDaniel, Art Monk, Thirman Thomas, Dan Marino, Ozzie Newsome, and a TON of other players.

NFL players just dont come from big time programs, just because they dont play D1, or from smaller schools dont meant that they cant play NFL ball. Again without these games and combines NFL GMs wouldnt have a clue how they would fare against other players from other schools and lesser divisions.

Your beleifs couldn't be further off from what the games actually mean to NFL teams.

It really goes beyond this.

Take Mike Iupati as an example. We all knew he dominated in college at OG and was a 1st round pick on film but he dominated against lesser talent because Idaho doesn't play a tough schedule. At the SB practices we got see him going up against much better talent and still look like a 1st round talent.

Some also wanted to know whether or not he could play OT. He got the chance to line up at both LT and RT and again face some of the top competition coming out to give teams an idea of his skill set and where it would fit best within their scheme.

At that is just one small example.

And another reason for the importance of the Senior Bowl and Combine is to see if a player who comes from a gimmicky offense can adapt to a Pro Style offense. Like for QB's who always take snaps from shot-gun formations, can they make the transition to taking snaps while dropping back and reading a defense. And for the Combine, some players in college were listed taller or bigger than they actually were. Take for instance Aaron Rodgers, in college he was listed as 6'4", but when he got to the Combine and measured in at 6'2" his stock took a hit somewhat. Lets also take into the fact that these players when they go to the Combine are closely interviewed to get a feel of the players character, at least give teams a bit of a chance to know if he'll be a Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf in the Pro's.

And in the end the Senior Bowl and Combine is nothing but a process or a job interview.

Remember how Graham Harrell had his deficiencies masked by Mike Leach in the TT offense, but was exposed at the combine when it came to making all the NFL throws.

Yah, I remember that, and Mayock tore Harrell apart breaking down his footwork and mechanics along with his criticism on how Harrell couldn't drive the ball when he passes. Same criticism Colt Brennan had, only Colt had decent Senior Bowl practices.
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Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
And in the end the Senior Bowl and Combine is nothing but a process or a job interview.

The game film is the equivalent to a players resume. The SB, Combine & Pro Days (and in some cases the private workouts teams hold with the allotted 20 players) are likened to the job interview. You don't hire someone just because the resume is impressive, you need to actually interview the person as well, and check out his references (in the NFL it's a background check, where they start talking to friends, family, past coaches, the guy up the street, your trash man, the guy who took your orders at the local pizzeria etc).

Exactly, I couldn't agree more.
You've been pretty well eaten alive at this point. I see no reason to further add anything.
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
You've been pretty well eaten alive at this point. I see no reason to further add anything.

You're late buddy!!!