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86th Annual East-West Shrine Game -- 4 PM EST January 22 on NFL Network

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Anyone have the practice notes for today???

Hot off the presses.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2011-01/2011-nfl-draft/story/draft-dish-north-carolinas-austin-flashes-dominant-ability

Nice

And this.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/EastWest-Shrine-practice-review-Day-3.html
Also NFL.com has a report. Jerrod Johnson looking dreadful apparently.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dcc011/article/lsus-gazellelike-receiver-toliver-impressing-at-shrine-practice?module=HP_cp2

Quote:
Some snippets..

» North Carolina defensive tackle Marvin Austin has been one of the most impressive players on the practice field during the first three workouts. He has repeatedly dominated blockers in one-on-one drills and shown the combination of brute strength and athleticism that earned him high marks heading into his senior season. Although most in attendance expected him to be the most dominant player on the field based on his immense talent and ability, few would expect him to regain his game so quickly after sitting out all of the 2010 season due to a school-imposed suspension. However, Austin has not only found his rhythm as a rusher, but he has shown a more diverse game by mixing in power moves to complement his athletic skill set. If his dominance carries into the game on Saturday (on NFL Network), Austin will re-emerge as one of the top interior tackles on draft boards across the league.

» The Citadel's Allen Cortez has shown some promise as a potential press corner. As a tall, rangy athlete with long arms, he does a good job of getting his hands on receivers at the line. He repeatedly outmuscled receivers early in routes in one-on-one drills, and showed enough burst to close on short and intermediate routes. Although his game still needs some refinement in a few areas, teams that covet big corners with aggressive man skills will push Cortez up the board based on his performance during the practice week.

» Running back Da'rel Scott of Maryland has opened some eyes with his quickness. He gets to his top gear quickly and flashes a tremendous burst in the open field. Although he shows questionable running instincts in traffic, his ability to turn perimeter plays into big gainers makes him an intriguing prospect.


» LSU's Terrence Toliver has created a little buzz with his solid performance in practices. He has caught the ball well in practices and has the look of a classic No. 1 receiver. The 6-foot-4, 203-pound Toliver glides like a gazelle in routes, but has enough balance and body control to get in and out of his cuts. While bouts of inconsistency plagued him throughout the season, he has been on his game during practices this week, and scouts are raving about his potential.

» Tyrod Taylor of Virginia Tech has been one of the more consistent performers at quarterback. He has shown good skills in and out of the pocket, and his ability to throw on the move makes him an ideal weapon in a movement-based passing game. While some would like to project him at another position, he has shown enough potential in these practices to garner serious consideration as a developmental quarterback prospect.

» The NFL has seemingly phased out the fullback, but Connecticut's Anthony Sherman looks like a keeper at the position. He is a rough and rugged blocker in the run game, and shows decent skills with the ball in his hands. If he can function in the passing game, he could be an intriguing prospect in the mid-to-late rounds.

» Quarterback Jerrod Johnson of Texas A&M has not helped his stock with his performance this week. He has been woefully inaccurate with his throws and doesn't have a good feel for the timing of a pro passing game. He hesitates before letting the ball go and is repeatedly forced to tuck and run due to his uncertainty with the passing progression. Unless he quickly improves his game, he might be headed for a position switch in the near future.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Also NFL.com has a report. Jerrod Johnson looking dreadful apparently.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dcc011/article/lsus-gazellelike-receiver-toliver-impressing-at-shrine-practice?module=HP_cp2

Quote:
Some snippets..

» North Carolina defensive tackle Marvin Austin has been one of the most impressive players on the practice field during the first three workouts. He has repeatedly dominated blockers in one-on-one drills and shown the combination of brute strength and athleticism that earned him high marks heading into his senior season. Although most in attendance expected him to be the most dominant player on the field based on his immense talent and ability, few would expect him to regain his game so quickly after sitting out all of the 2010 season due to a school-imposed suspension. However, Austin has not only found his rhythm as a rusher, but he has shown a more diverse game by mixing in power moves to complement his athletic skill set. If his dominance carries into the game on Saturday (on NFL Network), Austin will re-emerge as one of the top interior tackles on draft boards across the league.

» The Citadel's Allen Cortez has shown some promise as a potential press corner. As a tall, rangy athlete with long arms, he does a good job of getting his hands on receivers at the line. He repeatedly outmuscled receivers early in routes in one-on-one drills, and showed enough burst to close on short and intermediate routes. Although his game still needs some refinement in a few areas, teams that covet big corners with aggressive man skills will push Cortez up the board based on his performance during the practice week.

» Running back Da'rel Scott of Maryland has opened some eyes with his quickness. He gets to his top gear quickly and flashes a tremendous burst in the open field. Although he shows questionable running instincts in traffic, his ability to turn perimeter plays into big gainers makes him an intriguing prospect.


» LSU's Terrence Toliver has created a little buzz with his solid performance in practices. He has caught the ball well in practices and has the look of a classic No. 1 receiver. The 6-foot-4, 203-pound Toliver glides like a gazelle in routes, but has enough balance and body control to get in and out of his cuts. While bouts of inconsistency plagued him throughout the season, he has been on his game during practices this week, and scouts are raving about his potential.

» Tyrod Taylor of Virginia Tech has been one of the more consistent performers at quarterback. He has shown good skills in and out of the pocket, and his ability to throw on the move makes him an ideal weapon in a movement-based passing game. While some would like to project him at another position, he has shown enough potential in these practices to garner serious consideration as a developmental quarterback prospect.

» The NFL has seemingly phased out the fullback, but Connecticut's Anthony Sherman looks like a keeper at the position. He is a rough and rugged blocker in the run game, and shows decent skills with the ball in his hands. If he can function in the passing game, he could be an intriguing prospect in the mid-to-late rounds.

» Quarterback Jerrod Johnson of Texas A&M has not helped his stock with his performance this week. He has been woefully inaccurate with his throws and doesn't have a good feel for the timing of a pro passing game. He hesitates before letting the ball go and is repeatedly forced to tuck and run due to his uncertainty with the passing progression. Unless he quickly improves his game, he might be headed for a position switch in the near future.

I wouldn't mind Toliver in the later rounds
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Also NFL.com has a report. Jerrod Johnson looking dreadful apparently.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dcc011/article/lsus-gazellelike-receiver-toliver-impressing-at-shrine-practice?module=HP_cp2

Quote:
Some snippets..

» North Carolina defensive tackle Marvin Austin has been one of the most impressive players on the practice field during the first three workouts. He has repeatedly dominated blockers in one-on-one drills and shown the combination of brute strength and athleticism that earned him high marks heading into his senior season. Although most in attendance expected him to be the most dominant player on the field based on his immense talent and ability, few would expect him to regain his game so quickly after sitting out all of the 2010 season due to a school-imposed suspension. However, Austin has not only found his rhythm as a rusher, but he has shown a more diverse game by mixing in power moves to complement his athletic skill set. If his dominance carries into the game on Saturday (on NFL Network), Austin will re-emerge as one of the top interior tackles on draft boards across the league.

» The Citadel's Allen Cortez has shown some promise as a potential press corner. As a tall, rangy athlete with long arms, he does a good job of getting his hands on receivers at the line. He repeatedly outmuscled receivers early in routes in one-on-one drills, and showed enough burst to close on short and intermediate routes. Although his game still needs some refinement in a few areas, teams that covet big corners with aggressive man skills will push Cortez up the board based on his performance during the practice week.

» Running back Da'rel Scott of Maryland has opened some eyes with his quickness. He gets to his top gear quickly and flashes a tremendous burst in the open field. Although he shows questionable running instincts in traffic, his ability to turn perimeter plays into big gainers makes him an intriguing prospect.


» LSU's Terrence Toliver has created a little buzz with his solid performance in practices. He has caught the ball well in practices and has the look of a classic No. 1 receiver. The 6-foot-4, 203-pound Toliver glides like a gazelle in routes, but has enough balance and body control to get in and out of his cuts. While bouts of inconsistency plagued him throughout the season, he has been on his game during practices this week, and scouts are raving about his potential.

» Tyrod Taylor of Virginia Tech has been one of the more consistent performers at quarterback. He has shown good skills in and out of the pocket, and his ability to throw on the move makes him an ideal weapon in a movement-based passing game. While some would like to project him at another position, he has shown enough potential in these practices to garner serious consideration as a developmental quarterback prospect.

» The NFL has seemingly phased out the fullback, but Connecticut's Anthony Sherman looks like a keeper at the position. He is a rough and rugged blocker in the run game, and shows decent skills with the ball in his hands. If he can function in the passing game, he could be an intriguing prospect in the mid-to-late rounds.

» Quarterback Jerrod Johnson of Texas A&M has not helped his stock with his performance this week. He has been woefully inaccurate with his throws and doesn't have a good feel for the timing of a pro passing game. He hesitates before letting the ball go and is repeatedly forced to tuck and run due to his uncertainty with the passing progression. Unless he quickly improves his game, he might be headed for a position switch in the near future.

I wouldn't mind Toliver in the later rounds

Basically, the one receiver that I think Toliver might compare to is Michael Jenkins. The consistency aspect sure fits, although Toliver may be a little smoother runner than Jenkins.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Also NFL.com has a report. Jerrod Johnson looking dreadful apparently.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dcc011/article/lsus-gazellelike-receiver-toliver-impressing-at-shrine-practice?module=HP_cp2

Quote:
Some snippets..

» North Carolina defensive tackle Marvin Austin has been one of the most impressive players on the practice field during the first three workouts. He has repeatedly dominated blockers in one-on-one drills and shown the combination of brute strength and athleticism that earned him high marks heading into his senior season. Although most in attendance expected him to be the most dominant player on the field based on his immense talent and ability, few would expect him to regain his game so quickly after sitting out all of the 2010 season due to a school-imposed suspension. However, Austin has not only found his rhythm as a rusher, but he has shown a more diverse game by mixing in power moves to complement his athletic skill set. If his dominance carries into the game on Saturday (on NFL Network), Austin will re-emerge as one of the top interior tackles on draft boards across the league.

» The Citadel's Allen Cortez has shown some promise as a potential press corner. As a tall, rangy athlete with long arms, he does a good job of getting his hands on receivers at the line. He repeatedly outmuscled receivers early in routes in one-on-one drills, and showed enough burst to close on short and intermediate routes. Although his game still needs some refinement in a few areas, teams that covet big corners with aggressive man skills will push Cortez up the board based on his performance during the practice week.

» Running back Da'rel Scott of Maryland has opened some eyes with his quickness. He gets to his top gear quickly and flashes a tremendous burst in the open field. Although he shows questionable running instincts in traffic, his ability to turn perimeter plays into big gainers makes him an intriguing prospect.


» LSU's Terrence Toliver has created a little buzz with his solid performance in practices. He has caught the ball well in practices and has the look of a classic No. 1 receiver. The 6-foot-4, 203-pound Toliver glides like a gazelle in routes, but has enough balance and body control to get in and out of his cuts. While bouts of inconsistency plagued him throughout the season, he has been on his game during practices this week, and scouts are raving about his potential.

» Tyrod Taylor of Virginia Tech has been one of the more consistent performers at quarterback. He has shown good skills in and out of the pocket, and his ability to throw on the move makes him an ideal weapon in a movement-based passing game. While some would like to project him at another position, he has shown enough potential in these practices to garner serious consideration as a developmental quarterback prospect.

» The NFL has seemingly phased out the fullback, but Connecticut's Anthony Sherman looks like a keeper at the position. He is a rough and rugged blocker in the run game, and shows decent skills with the ball in his hands. If he can function in the passing game, he could be an intriguing prospect in the mid-to-late rounds.

» Quarterback Jerrod Johnson of Texas A&M has not helped his stock with his performance this week. He has been woefully inaccurate with his throws and doesn't have a good feel for the timing of a pro passing game. He hesitates before letting the ball go and is repeatedly forced to tuck and run due to his uncertainty with the passing progression. Unless he quickly improves his game, he might be headed for a position switch in the near future.

I wouldn't mind Toliver in the later rounds

Basically, the one receiver that I think Toliver might compare to is Michael Jenkins. The consistency aspect sure fits, although Toliver may be a little smoother runner than Jenkins.

Considering Z is expendable and Ginn is more of a ST guy I wouldn't mind taking a shot at him. Would be nice to have a tall guy that can run.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Also NFL.com has a report. Jerrod Johnson looking dreadful apparently.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dcc011/article/lsus-gazellelike-receiver-toliver-impressing-at-shrine-practice?module=HP_cp2

Quote:
Some snippets..

» North Carolina defensive tackle Marvin Austin has been one of the most impressive players on the practice field during the first three workouts. He has repeatedly dominated blockers in one-on-one drills and shown the combination of brute strength and athleticism that earned him high marks heading into his senior season. Although most in attendance expected him to be the most dominant player on the field based on his immense talent and ability, few would expect him to regain his game so quickly after sitting out all of the 2010 season due to a school-imposed suspension. However, Austin has not only found his rhythm as a rusher, but he has shown a more diverse game by mixing in power moves to complement his athletic skill set. If his dominance carries into the game on Saturday (on NFL Network), Austin will re-emerge as one of the top interior tackles on draft boards across the league.

» The Citadel's Allen Cortez has shown some promise as a potential press corner. As a tall, rangy athlete with long arms, he does a good job of getting his hands on receivers at the line. He repeatedly outmuscled receivers early in routes in one-on-one drills, and showed enough burst to close on short and intermediate routes. Although his game still needs some refinement in a few areas, teams that covet big corners with aggressive man skills will push Cortez up the board based on his performance during the practice week.

» Running back Da'rel Scott of Maryland has opened some eyes with his quickness. He gets to his top gear quickly and flashes a tremendous burst in the open field. Although he shows questionable running instincts in traffic, his ability to turn perimeter plays into big gainers makes him an intriguing prospect.


» LSU's Terrence Toliver has created a little buzz with his solid performance in practices. He has caught the ball well in practices and has the look of a classic No. 1 receiver. The 6-foot-4, 203-pound Toliver glides like a gazelle in routes, but has enough balance and body control to get in and out of his cuts. While bouts of inconsistency plagued him throughout the season, he has been on his game during practices this week, and scouts are raving about his potential.

» Tyrod Taylor of Virginia Tech has been one of the more consistent performers at quarterback. He has shown good skills in and out of the pocket, and his ability to throw on the move makes him an ideal weapon in a movement-based passing game. While some would like to project him at another position, he has shown enough potential in these practices to garner serious consideration as a developmental quarterback prospect.

» The NFL has seemingly phased out the fullback, but Connecticut's Anthony Sherman looks like a keeper at the position. He is a rough and rugged blocker in the run game, and shows decent skills with the ball in his hands. If he can function in the passing game, he could be an intriguing prospect in the mid-to-late rounds.

» Quarterback Jerrod Johnson of Texas A&M has not helped his stock with his performance this week. He has been woefully inaccurate with his throws and doesn't have a good feel for the timing of a pro passing game. He hesitates before letting the ball go and is repeatedly forced to tuck and run due to his uncertainty with the passing progression. Unless he quickly improves his game, he might be headed for a position switch in the near future.

I wouldn't mind Toliver in the later rounds

Basically, the one receiver that I think Toliver might compare to is Michael Jenkins. The consistency aspect sure fits, although Toliver may be a little smoother runner than Jenkins.

Considering Z is expendable and Ginn is more of a ST guy I wouldn't mind taking a shot at him. Would be nice to have a tall guy that can run.

It's been a while. Stokes may have been the last "tall" receiver we've had.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Really, a pretty lean roster this year. All eyes should be on Austin and Moch. Moch could be one of the more intriguing players in the draft, as he reportedly has run under 4.40, for a LB/hybrid 3-4 player. Should be fascinating to watch.

I expect both of these players to land somewhere in that second round. Beyond these two, I see a lot of mid-late rounders, and many undrafted free agents.

Devlin and Taylor will get a good look, for different reasons. Can Devlin play with the big boys, and is Taylor willing to take some reps at another position. More than likely, Devlin will end up being a 3rd-4th rounder, and Taylor a QB/Slash/Wildcat player if drafted.

MadDog, quick question on Moch. The kid has crazy physical tools, but what about his football instincts? Will he be able to move to a 3-4 OLB/pass rusher position and handle the coverage responsibilities? If you have a take, I'd like to hear it.......

Great question. I think he is a guy who can fly around the corner, but can he backpedal and drop into coverage? I think he is more than athletic enough to pull it off. His height and size may be an issue more than anything else for teams. He and Von Miller need to put on some weight. Big wild card this offseason. Should be a blast to watch.

Moch, Watt, and Paea may be the three most athletic, non-secondary defenders in this draft.

Moch will probably wind up on a team like Detroit or Philly.

After Cameron Heyward, Watt is my next favorite lineman prospect outside the top ten of the draft.

Personally, I think we could find tremendous value trading down and landing an extra second. But we have to ask ourselves if that is really worth it when we could land what appears to be one of the 7 elite prospects entering this draft.

I think our Big Board on 3-4 DE's is pretty similar. What a class, eh? Moch weighed in at 229, which is a gigantic issue. Very disappointing weight, and really means he is looking at a 4th round projection unless he runs lights out and gains about 10 pounds, really soon.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Really, a pretty lean roster this year. All eyes should be on Austin and Moch. Moch could be one of the more intriguing players in the draft, as he reportedly has run under 4.40, for a LB/hybrid 3-4 player. Should be fascinating to watch.

I expect both of these players to land somewhere in that second round. Beyond these two, I see a lot of mid-late rounders, and many undrafted free agents.

Devlin and Taylor will get a good look, for different reasons. Can Devlin play with the big boys, and is Taylor willing to take some reps at another position. More than likely, Devlin will end up being a 3rd-4th rounder, and Taylor a QB/Slash/Wildcat player if drafted.

MadDog, quick question on Moch. The kid has crazy physical tools, but what about his football instincts? Will he be able to move to a 3-4 OLB/pass rusher position and handle the coverage responsibilities? If you have a take, I'd like to hear it.......

Great question. I think he is a guy who can fly around the corner, but can he backpedal and drop into coverage? I think he is more than athletic enough to pull it off. His height and size may be an issue more than anything else for teams. He and Von Miller need to put on some weight. Big wild card this offseason. Should be a blast to watch.

Moch, Watt, and Paea may be the three most athletic, non-secondary defenders in this draft.

Moch will probably wind up on a team like Detroit or Philly.

After Cameron Heyward, Watt is my next favorite lineman prospect outside the top ten of the draft.

Personally, I think we could find tremendous value trading down and landing an extra second. But we have to ask ourselves if that is really worth it when we could land what appears to be one of the 7 elite prospects entering this draft.

I think our Big Board on 3-4 DE's is pretty similar. What a class, eh? Moch weighed in at 229, which is a gigantic issue. Very disappointing weight, and really means he is looking at a 4th round projection unless he runs lights out and gains about 10 pounds, really soon.

Agreed. It's not like he's been off for a while and lost a bunch of weight. Their bowl game was barely a couple a weeks ago.

As much as I love Amukamara, I feel deep down that if Dareus sits at #7, he has to be selected. The guy doesn't need to transition whatsoever to a 3-4, he's already been playing a 3-4 DE position this whole time.
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I know nothing of Devlin, this will be a good chance to see him.
Originally posted by mayo49:
I know nothing of Devlin, this will be a good chance to see him.

I read on footballsfuture's message board that someone who was there said he looks terrible, has a weak arm, and has been picked twice so far by Justin Rogers. Wonder if that's why he throws so many short passes. My guess is after this weekend people will have fallen off the Pat Devlin dromedary.
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Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by mayo49:
I know nothing of Devlin, this will be a good chance to see him.

I read on footballsfuture's message board that someone who was there said he looks terrible, has a weak arm, and has been picked twice so far by Justin Rogers. Wonder if that's why he throws so many short passes. My guess is after this weekend people will have fallen off the Pat Devlin dromedary.

Really? I thought he was a legit prospect.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Really, a pretty lean roster this year. All eyes should be on Austin and Moch. Moch could be one of the more intriguing players in the draft, as he reportedly has run under 4.40, for a LB/hybrid 3-4 player. Should be fascinating to watch.

I expect both of these players to land somewhere in that second round. Beyond these two, I see a lot of mid-late rounders, and many undrafted free agents.

Devlin and Taylor will get a good look, for different reasons. Can Devlin play with the big boys, and is Taylor willing to take some reps at another position. More than likely, Devlin will end up being a 3rd-4th rounder, and Taylor a QB/Slash/Wildcat player if drafted.

MadDog, quick question on Moch. The kid has crazy physical tools, but what about his football instincts? Will he be able to move to a 3-4 OLB/pass rusher position and handle the coverage responsibilities? If you have a take, I'd like to hear it.......

Great question. I think he is a guy who can fly around the corner, but can he backpedal and drop into coverage? I think he is more than athletic enough to pull it off. His height and size may be an issue more than anything else for teams. He and Von Miller need to put on some weight. Big wild card this offseason. Should be a blast to watch.

Moch, Watt, and Paea may be the three most athletic, non-secondary defenders in this draft.

Moch will probably wind up on a team like Detroit or Philly.

After Cameron Heyward, Watt is my next favorite lineman prospect outside the top ten of the draft.

Personally, I think we could find tremendous value trading down and landing an extra second. But we have to ask ourselves if that is really worth it when we could land what appears to be one of the 7 elite prospects entering this draft.

I think our Big Board on 3-4 DE's is pretty similar. What a class, eh? Moch weighed in at 229, which is a gigantic issue. Very disappointing weight, and really means he is looking at a 4th round projection unless he runs lights out and gains about 10 pounds, really soon.

He is fast enough that he looks like he could be a Tampa 2 4-3 OLB in a run and hit system like Indy. Crazy fast for a college DE. Still, he needs some time to transition to the linebacker spot.
Practice notes from today???
Here's an east west shrine game practice notes for the first two days:

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2011/1/20/1945830/2011-east-west-shrine-game-east-team
From the first day: http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2011/1/20/1945930/2011-east-west-shrine-game-west-team