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Ok enough with the qb's

I agree that a QB high in the round makes no sense because Luck will be long gone.
What we need though is one of the top CB's in the draft.

Where your post goes wrong, Green is not a 99 speed... and so on. The fact you are using madden ranking to grade a player says it all.

Also, "Crabtree underneath catching everything", really. Have you even been watching this season,or even last week. He has missed so many catchable balls and tipped them up for interceptions this season it is ridicules.

If Luck, the top CB's, or DT's are gone, Green is a good option.
I agree we should not reach for a QB in the first. If and when Luck is gone. We should go Peterson (if available), Prince, and then one of the pass rushers who fit our scheme (whatever the NEW HC's scheme will be).

I will say, I expect Jake Locker's stock to rise in the draft workouts. He's been injured and beat up, not a great supporting cast, and comes from pro-style with good measurables. I expect a lot of people on here will jump on the Locker bandwagon. I think he still will be a top-15 pick.
Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
NO

We need a QB first and foremost. I have seen all I want to fro Troy, Alex, Carr, and Nate...they are not, I repeat not franchise QB's.

Its time to start over again at the postion, and this draft is loaded with QBs.


Well call philly and trade for vick or kolb. because im not about to watch a rookie get killed behind are oline.
I cant take another bust at qb i hate alex i hate carr, nate isn't going to be it.

Troy doesn't no any of the playbook i know we think we need a qb but were going to be running the same 6 plays next season with a rookie. I'm not sold on morgan and ginn neither has sure hands or the speed to go deep and make the catch.

Aj has both he may be one of the most naturally play makers out there. Luck may not even come out this season and if he doesn't then what, were screwed i'm not sold on any qb being the franchise play caller we need i tell you what we trade for the first over all pick next year. Bam oline's 3 years of experience. All this talent to throw to. Now we can get a qb and groom him right.

If you want a qb to succeed go out and get him the pieces we needed to fill to began with the last 5 years why we've been watching alex. how about we wait a year have some patience a rookie qb won't get us to the playoffs. there's not one guy that makes me go dam, there is no bradford type qb if luck doesn't come out.

when did the Niners put u in charge of the draft
Originally posted by alex2125:
I agree we should not reach for a QB in the first. If and when Luck is gone. We should go Peterson (if available), Prince, and then one of the pass rushers who fit our scheme (whatever the NEW HC's scheme will be).

I will say, I expect Jake Locker's stock to rise in the draft workouts. He's been injured and beat up, not a great supporting cast, and comes from pro-style with good measurables. I expect a lot of people on here will jump on the Locker bandwagon. I think he still will be a top-15 pick.

Locker would be my pick in the scenario. I just don't think you can get by in the NFL without a top talent at QB. The number of good teams without a 1st round pick starting at QB seems like it's shrinking every year. You gotta gamble if you want to win.
If the coveted qb is gone and the other top players i wouldnt mind seeing them take Ingram Gore is getting a little long in the tooth and that would be a great one two and future back.
Originally posted by DANADA:
Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
NO

We need a QB first and foremost. I have seen all I want to fro Troy, Alex, Carr, and Nate...they are not, I repeat not franchise QB's.

Its time to start over again at the postion, and this draft is loaded with QBs.


Well call philly and trade for vick or kolb. because im not about to watch a rookie get killed behind are oline.
I cant take another bust at qb i hate alex i hate carr, nate isn't going to be it.

Troy doesn't no any of the playbook i know we think we need a qb but were going to be running the same 6 plays next season with a rookie. I'm not sold on morgan and ginn neither has sure hands or the speed to go deep and make the catch.

Aj has both he may be one of the most naturally play makers out there. Luck may not even come out this season and if he doesn't then what, were screwed i'm not sold on any qb being the franchise play caller we need i tell you what we trade for the first over all pick next year. Bam oline's 3 years of experience. All this talent to throw to. Now we can get a qb and groom him right.

If you want a qb to succeed go out and get him the pieces we needed to fill to began with the last 5 years why we've been watching alex. how about we wait a year have some patience a rookie qb won't get us to the playoffs. there's not one guy that makes me go dam, there is no bradford type qb if luck doesn't come out.

when did the Niners put u in charge of the draft


They haven't that's the problem. I'd at least make a move to get a qb o say 4 years ago when alex went down from the shoulder i new then and there the next 5 years would suck. But Anyways if peterson, price and no luck, we don't need a tackle basically we could be left with a wr with are pick. Most of the teams picking a head of us so far don't really have a need for a wr.. I'm just saying if Greens there do we take him? I mean watching that kind of talent would be fun. you can never have enough speed as al davis would put it. and for the last decade we have had a guy who could run the 40 that fast and catch it.
Originally posted by 49er4life:
I agree that a QB high in the round makes no sense because Luck will be long gone.
What we need though is one of the top CB's in the draft.

Where your post goes wrong, Green is not a 99 speed... and so on. The fact you are using madden ranking to grade a player says it all.

Also, "Crabtree underneath catching everything", really. Have you even been watching this season,or even last week. He has missed so many catchable balls and tipped them up for interceptions this season it is ridicules.

If Luck, the top CB's, or DT's are gone, Green is a good option.


Yeah i love watching crabtree catch dig routes all day. Crabtree's 3 best routes are slant and screen and the dig aka Green does the streak and crabtree slides underneath the coverage he just pulled out.

I think you didn't understand what i ment about crabtree, like he was in the flat or something no i mean he's all over the middle of the field kind of player not a guy who you send deep every play.

Green not having that speed boy watch his taps when he runs that 40 time you will be eating those words. Like being told jerry rice is slow....He's 10 yard dash may just give you dez bryant chills.

[ Edited by TheGoldDiggerrrr on Dec 4, 2010 at 13:55:01 ]
Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
I rather watch troy smith throwing to crabtree, vd, gore, walker, AJ GREEN... Then we'd slid morgan into the slot, and could put Ginn in as the 4th wr....

So lets say Aj Green is on the board when we select. Luck is gone. the cb and the dt we could use also gone. no franchise lt. No franchise Cb. 2 qb's are on the board but lets face it we don't want to watch another qb stink it up for 5 more years and waste all the talent we've got and again miss the playoffs and in 5 years he may or may not be ready, but then again we now have holes every where because we can't fing find a qb and now are d is so old willis retires without a ring.

Do we really want to invest another 5 years on a qb. Or should we go with the smart pick take a wr with 99 speed and 99 jumping and 99 hands and then worry about who throw's the ball to now what is being consider by nfl as the most talent skill team in the nfl with Gore, Davis, Crabtree and Aj Green.

And troy smith has the arm. These kind of players at the skill position who do you double. Crabtree underneath catching everything. Davis on a post. Gore in the flat. O s**t aj just smoked the cb on the go. O wait Josh is open in slot o no ginn dam he's open too maybe he will catch it maybe not.... OOOO troy falls down because his brain is so over worked with the option to throw to anyone.

I wouldn't mind having a talent like Green, but we do need a franchise QB before anything else.

Every single team that is in contention every year has a franchise quarterback. That is no coincidence.
Originally posted by alex2125:
I agree we should not reach for a QB in the first. If and when Luck is gone. We should go Peterson (if available), Prince, and then one of the pass rushers who fit our scheme (whatever the NEW HC's scheme will be).

I will say, I expect Jake Locker's stock to rise in the draft workouts. He's been injured and beat up, not a great supporting cast, and comes from pro-style with good measurables. I expect a lot of people on here will jump on the Locker bandwagon. I think he still will be a top-15 pick.

I'd take Locker if he was there and Luck wasn't. I'm saying that now, long before the combine when everyone else will decide to agree.
Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Originally posted by 49er4life:
I agree that a QB high in the round makes no sense because Luck will be long gone.
What we need though is one of the top CB's in the draft.

Where your post goes wrong, Green is not a 99 speed... and so on. The fact you are using madden ranking to grade a player says it all.

Also, "Crabtree underneath catching everything", really. Have you even been watching this season,or even last week. He has missed so many catchable balls and tipped them up for interceptions this season it is ridicules.

If Luck, the top CB's, or DT's are gone, Green is a good option.


Yeah i love watching crabtree catch dig routes all day. Crabtree's 3 best routes are slant and screen and the dig aka Green does the streak and crabtree slides underneath the coverage he just pulled out.

I think you didn't understand what i ment about crabtree, like he was in the flat or something no i mean he's all over the middle of the field kind of player not a guy who you send deep every play.

Green not having that speed boy watch his taps when he runs that 40 time you will be eating those words. Like being told jerry rice is slow....He's 10 yard dash may just give you dez bryant chills.

This is a QB driven league. All of the top teams have strong QB play. I'm just saying that we should not shut the door on the QB position in the first outside of Luck.

These debates are fun to have but its still too early to be making absolute draft day decisions.
Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Originally posted by 49er4life:
I agree that a QB high in the round makes no sense because Luck will be long gone.
What we need though is one of the top CB's in the draft.

Where your post goes wrong, Green is not a 99 speed... and so on. The fact you are using madden ranking to grade a player says it all.

Also, "Crabtree underneath catching everything", really. Have you even been watching this season,or even last week. He has missed so many catchable balls and tipped them up for interceptions this season it is ridicules.

If Luck, the top CB's, or DT's are gone, Green is a good option.


Yeah i love watching crabtree catch dig routes all day. Crabtree's 3 best routes are slant and screen and the dig aka Green does the streak and crabtree slides underneath the coverage he just pulled out.

I think you didn't understand what i ment about crabtree, like he was in the flat or something no i mean he's all over the middle of the field kind of player not a guy who you send deep every play.

Green not having that speed boy watch his taps when he runs that 40 time you will be eating those words. Like being told jerry rice is slow....He's 10 yard dash may just give you dez bryant chills.

I hope he does run that fast. There is a good chance he could be there when we pick (around 8-13 is my guess), or will push another good player to us.

Also, I agree it would be nice to have that deep threat, unfortunately if we don't get the right coaching staff in place they wouldn't even take advantage of Green if we did have him.
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
I rather watch troy smith throwing to crabtree, vd, gore, walker, AJ GREEN... Then we'd slid morgan into the slot, and could put Ginn in as the 4th wr....

So lets say Aj Green is on the board when we select. Luck is gone. the cb and the dt we could use also gone. no franchise lt. No franchise Cb. 2 qb's are on the board but lets face it we don't want to watch another qb stink it up for 5 more years and waste all the talent we've got and again miss the playoffs and in 5 years he may or may not be ready, but then again we now have holes every where because we can't fing find a qb and now are d is so old willis retires without a ring.

Do we really want to invest another 5 years on a qb. Or should we go with the smart pick take a wr with 99 speed and 99 jumping and 99 hands and then worry about who throw's the ball to now what is being consider by nfl as the most talent skill team in the nfl with Gore, Davis, Crabtree and Aj Green.

And troy smith has the arm. These kind of players at the skill position who do you double. Crabtree underneath catching everything. Davis on a post. Gore in the flat. O s**t aj just smoked the cb on the go. O wait Josh is open in slot o no ginn dam he's open too maybe he will catch it maybe not.... OOOO troy falls down because his brain is so over worked with the option to throw to anyone.

I wouldn't mind having a talent like Green, but we do need a franchise QB before anything else.

Every single team that is in contention every year has a franchise quarterback. That is no coincidence.

we will not return to the playoffs without this QB

Montana = Super Bowls
Young = Super Bowl
Garcia = Playoffs
2003-2010 = Nothing

and the best teams usually get a QB early in the draft like...

Sanchez
Flacco
P. Manning
E. Manning
Ryan
Bradford
Rodgers
Roethlisberger
Cutler
Vick
Rivers

any coincidence that all these teams are in the playoff picture this year?

[ Edited by 49erFaithful6 on Dec 4, 2010 at 15:39:46 ]
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
I rather watch troy smith throwing to crabtree, vd, gore, walker, AJ GREEN... Then we'd slid morgan into the slot, and could put Ginn in as the 4th wr....

So lets say Aj Green is on the board when we select. Luck is gone. the cb and the dt we could use also gone. no franchise lt. No franchise Cb. 2 qb's are on the board but lets face it we don't want to watch another qb stink it up for 5 more years and waste all the talent we've got and again miss the playoffs and in 5 years he may or may not be ready, but then again we now have holes every where because we can't fing find a qb and now are d is so old willis retires without a ring.

Do we really want to invest another 5 years on a qb. Or should we go with the smart pick take a wr with 99 speed and 99 jumping and 99 hands and then worry about who throw's the ball to now what is being consider by nfl as the most talent skill team in the nfl with Gore, Davis, Crabtree and Aj Green.

And troy smith has the arm. These kind of players at the skill position who do you double. Crabtree underneath catching everything. Davis on a post. Gore in the flat. O s**t aj just smoked the cb on the go. O wait Josh is open in slot o no ginn dam he's open too maybe he will catch it maybe not.... OOOO troy falls down because his brain is so over worked with the option to throw to anyone.

I wouldn't mind having a talent like Green, but we do need a franchise QB before anything else.

Every single team that is in contention every year has a franchise quarterback. That is no coincidence.

we will not return to the playoffs without this QB

Montana = Super Bowls
Young = Super Bowl
Garcia = Playoffs
2003-2010 = Nothing

and the best teams usually get a QB early in the draft like...

Sanchez
Flacco
P. Manning
E. Manning
Ryan
Bradford
Rodgers
Roethlisberger
Cutler
Vick
Rivers

any coincidence that all these teams are in the playoff picture this year?

I agree if the right QB is there in the 1st, Luck or Locker, we pull the trigger. Because as of late, odds are you have to take that franchise QB early. Guys like Romo (FA) and Brady (6th) are rare.

The flip side is that we have already tried that with Alex Smith (#1 overall), then there are the Ryan Leaf's, Joey Harrington's, Leinart, Akili Smith's, etc...

So the MOST important thing we bring in is the proper COACHING STAFF with a vision and plan and the proper Front Office Personnel to evaluate the draft Talent!
49erfaithful, you made an interesting post. 9 of the 11 QBs you listed above as exceptional QBs were drafted in the first 11 picks of the first round (1998 through 2010). Interestingly, another 14 QBs were drafted in the first 11 picks of those same years, but they did not make your list. They included people like J. Russell, our own A. Smith, Palmer, Leftwich Carr, Harrington, Couch, and the infamous Leaf.

All in all, history suggests that if you draft a QB in the first 11 picks, you have less than a 50% chance of getting a good one. Even drafting the first QB taken that year gives you only a 50% chance of success.
Originally posted by excelsior:
49erfaithful, you made an interesting post. 9 of the 11 QBs you listed above as exceptional QBs were drafted in the first 11 picks of the first round (1998 through 2010). Interestingly, another 14 QBs were drafted in the first 11 picks of those same years, but they did not make your list. They included people like J. Russell, our own A. Smith, Palmer, Leftwich Carr, Harrington, Couch, and the infamous Leaf.

All in all, history suggests that if you draft a QB in the first 11 picks, you have less than a 50% chance of getting a good one. Even drafting the first QB taken that year gives you only a 50% chance of success.

But if you do get one you get John Elway or Troy Aikman or Peyton Manning.

Much better than Troy Smith or Alex Smith...