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Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Draft Rule #59

Don't draft someone who massively underachieved at the college level, and expect him to overachieve at the pro level.

This draft rule has been brought to you by Kentwan Balmer


For Balmer's credit, he came out of nowhere and had a good last year in Chapel Hill.

And had a good this year in Seattle. LOL!

You lie! He did?!?!?!

Considering he went there after training camp camp and started 11 games, adding 43 tackles and a pass defense from the DT spot, yes, he did.
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Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Draft Rule #59

Don't draft someone who massively underachieved at the college level, and expect him to overachieve at the pro level.

This draft rule has been brought to you by Kentwan Balmer


For Balmer's credit, he came out of nowhere and had a good last year in Chapel Hill.

And had a good this year in Seattle. LOL!

You lie! He did?!?!?!

Considering he went there after training camp camp and started 11 games, adding 43 tackles and a pass defense from the DT spot, yes, he did.

And he played DE as well...ewwww
Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Draft Rule #59

Don't draft someone who massively underachieved at the college level, and expect him to overachieve at the pro level.

This draft rule has been brought to you by Kentwan Balmer


For Balmer's credit, he came out of nowhere and had a good last year in Chapel Hill.

And had a good this year in Seattle. LOL!

You lie! He did?!?!?!

Considering he went there after training camp camp and started 11 games, adding 43 tackles and a pass defense from the DT spot, yes, he did.

And he played DE as well...ewwww

He mainly played tackle (even though NFL.com has him listed as a DE).
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Draft Rule #59

Don't draft someone who massively underachieved at the college level, and expect him to overachieve at the pro level.

This draft rule has been brought to you by Kentwan Balmer


For Balmer's credit, he came out of nowhere and had a good last year in Chapel Hill.

And had a good this year in Seattle. LOL!

You lie! He did?!?!?!

Considering he went there after training camp camp and started 11 games, adding 43 tackles and a pass defense from the DT spot, yes, he did.

And he played DE as well...ewwww

He mainly played tackle (even though NFL.com has him listed as a DE).

he started at DE for them after red bryants injury, their main players at DT are mebane and cole, and when they got hurt this year junior saivii and craig terril played dt, he spent most of his year at de and still doesnt have a sack if i recall correctly
i dont even want to see this dudes face anymore...please stop quoting the posts to put another copy of it further down.
I just saw some videos of Ponder and read some scouting reports on him, and I can say that I would like to have him in the 2nd.
Originally posted by niner4life21:
I just saw some videos of Ponder and read some scouting reports on him, and I can say that I would like to have him in the 2nd.

He reminds me a lot of Alex Smith from an academic stand point. Graduated college in 2 1/2 years with a 3.7 GPA. The plus Ponder has over Smith is he already has experience in a pro-style offence. Many of his weakness are almost identical to Ricky Stanzi (both have weak arms, inconsistent decision making, poor accuracy). With proper coaching the inconsistent decision making and poor accuracy can be hammered out. The lack of arm strength can be masked in the WCO.

What separates him from Stanzi is the durability. Ponder's proneness to concussions is a serious red flag.
A like Ponder also. I think he will be a steal in the draft. I'm in Mobile and he's one of the players I'm gonna pay attention to during the Senior Bowl practices. Yes he was inconsistent in college but I remember two other qbs that were inconsistent in college. I think there name was Montana and Brady. All I'm saying is u never know
Originally posted by niner4life21:
I just saw some videos of Ponder and read some scouting reports on him, and I can say that I would like to have him in the 2nd.

I saw the highlights and for the most part saw a bunch of floater balls. Accurate but he'll get a lot of picks because there isn't enough velocity on those throws. Yes the WCO doesn't need a rocket arm and needs accuracy as envisioned by Walsh - but the league has evolved and the WCO has evolved. Simply, I think QBs generally speaking need a little stronger arm to play then when Walsh conceived the WCO. That being said, I don't think this guy has an NFL arm. I could be totally wrong and willing to eat it, but from what I've seen - those passes will get picked more times than not.
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Draft Rule #59

Don't draft someone who massively underachieved at the college level, and expect him to overachieve at the pro level.

This draft rule has been brought to you by Kentwan Balmer


For Balmer's credit, he came out of nowhere and had a good last year in Chapel Hill.

And had a good this year in Seattle. LOL!

You lie! He did?!?!?!

Considering he went there after training camp camp and started 11 games, adding 43 tackles and a pass defense from the DT spot, yes, he did.

And he played DE as well...ewwww

He mainly played tackle (even though NFL.com has him listed as a DE).

he started at DE for them after red bryants injury, their main players at DT are mebane and cole, and when they got hurt this year junior saivii and craig terril played dt, he spent most of his year at de and still doesnt have a sack if i recall correctly

That's correct, no sacks.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
I just saw some videos of Ponder and read some scouting reports on him, and I can say that I would like to have him in the 2nd.

I saw the highlights and for the most part saw a bunch of floater balls. Accurate but he'll get a lot of picks because there isn't enough velocity on those throws. Yes the WCO doesn't need a rocket arm and needs accuracy as envisioned by Walsh - but the league has evolved and the WCO has evolved. Simply, I think QBs generally speaking need a little stronger arm to play then when Walsh conceived the WCO. That being said, I don't think this guy has an NFL arm. I could be totally wrong and willing to eat it, but from what I've seen - those passes will get picked more times than not.

Post which highlights you saw. That's the antithesis of what is saw the last two years from Ponder. Quick release and velocity on the throws (due to his footwork/mechanics), in addition to pocket presence and accuracy, are his strong suits. Maybe on super deep throws he floats them up there but on anything else it's quite the opposite.

Maybe you saw some throws where he was playing with the busted elbow?
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
I just saw some videos of Ponder and read some scouting reports on him, and I can say that I would like to have him in the 2nd.

I saw the highlights and for the most part saw a bunch of floater balls. Accurate but he'll get a lot of picks because there isn't enough velocity on those throws. Yes the WCO doesn't need a rocket arm and needs accuracy as envisioned by Walsh - but the league has evolved and the WCO has evolved. Simply, I think QBs generally speaking need a little stronger arm to play then when Walsh conceived the WCO. That being said, I don't think this guy has an NFL arm. I could be totally wrong and willing to eat it, but from what I've seen - those passes will get picked more times than not.

Post which highlights you saw. That's the antithesis of what is saw the last two years from Ponder. Quick release and velocity on the throws (due to his footwork/mechanics), in addition to pocket presence and accuracy, are his strong suits. Maybe on super deep throws he floats them up there but on anything else it's quite the opposite.

Maybe you saw some throws where he was playing with the busted elbow?

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/01/senior-bowl-qbs.html



And most importantly...

Christian Ponder, Florida State. He's smart and he played in a demanding offensive system for the Seminoles. He doesn't have the arm strength of Ryan Mallett or the athleticism of Cam Newton, but he has just enough of each. He also has a long injury history and suffered a concussion that knocked him out of FSU's bowl game.
Said Rang: "He's a high GPA guy and understands offense. Because of that, he might be a good fit."

Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/01/senior-bowl-qbs.html#ixzz1BVrCZ94X
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
I just saw some videos of Ponder and read some scouting reports on him, and I can say that I would like to have him in the 2nd.

I saw the highlights and for the most part saw a bunch of floater balls. Accurate but he'll get a lot of picks because there isn't enough velocity on those throws. Yes the WCO doesn't need a rocket arm and needs accuracy as envisioned by Walsh - but the league has evolved and the WCO has evolved. Simply, I think QBs generally speaking need a little stronger arm to play then when Walsh conceived the WCO. That being said, I don't think this guy has an NFL arm. I could be totally wrong and willing to eat it, but from what I've seen - those passes will get picked more times than not.

Post which highlights you saw. That's the antithesis of what is saw the last two years from Ponder. Quick release and velocity on the throws (due to his footwork/mechanics), in addition to pocket presence and accuracy, are his strong suits. Maybe on super deep throws he floats them up there but on anything else it's quite the opposite.

Maybe you saw some throws where he was playing with the busted elbow?

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/01/senior-bowl-qbs.html



And most importantly...

Christian Ponder, Florida State. He's smart and he played in a demanding offensive system for the Seminoles. He doesn't have the arm strength of Ryan Mallett or the athleticism of Cam Newton, but he has just enough of each. He also has a long injury history and suffered a concussion that knocked him out of FSU's bowl game.
Said Rang: "He's a high GPA guy and understands offense. Because of that, he might be a good fit."

Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/01/senior-bowl-qbs.html#ixzz1BVrCZ94X

Which is why he didn't enter into the draft last year and is why he probably won't go as high in the draft as he otherwise would have (he was considered a 1st round pick before the injury in Clemson last year).
After carefully evaluating all the QB prospects entering the draft, I think I have found the perfect fit for this team, and Jim Harbaughs offense. He's a guy that has been casually mentioned here and there, and I think we would be reluctant to pass up on him. Christian Ponder, FSU.

I think out of all the QBs coming out this year, he looks like he will be the best pure passer. None of the projected first round quarterbacks are worthy of a top 10 pick, let alone our number 7. The most important part of evaluating a quarterback is what he does from the snap to the release, and everything in between.

-Snap
-First step into your drop back.
-Smoothe footwork
-Scanning the field/matchups during the drop back and NOT after dropping back.
-Clean plant at the back end of your dropback (not bouncing too much)
-Step up to buy more time if necessary.
-Find target....fire.

I think the biggest upside to Ponder is that he is almost mechanically flawless, which is the most important foundation. Everything else can be taught. Ponder excels because of his smoothe mechanics, not to mention he's a natural leader, smart, and deceivingly athletic. As far as judging alex smith, I knew from day one he wouldn't pan out because he just didn't have the solid mechanics to play the position at the pro level, but lets not get too off topic.

I was watching old Montana playoff games (God I wish we had him back) and I think Ponder has alot of the same qualities that a young Joe did. Similar size, accurate, enough arm strength and scrambling ability to get the job done, great awareness, pocket presence. If we want the west coast offense back in SF, which obviously Harbaugh is bringing, I think the perfect man for the job is Christian Ponder. He should be available in the second round, we should definitely make a push for him.

Coach Harbaugh will be scouting players at the senior bowl soon, Ponder will be there.
[ Edited by DaveTheShocker on Jan 20, 2011 at 1:10 PM ]
Christian Ponder...lol