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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by BayAreaNinersFan:
look up the youtube video of Ricky Stanzi talking about his 'american pride'. He's a first-class bigot and as much as the Niners are my life, I vowed to stop watching football if we drafted him and he became our QB.
But when it comes to on -the field significance of all this (if you aren't big on political/intellectual matters like myself--and theres nothing wrong with that), I'd venture to guess the bigotry and callousness he displays in the interview will carry over into his ability to lead men and, ultimately, realize his own true potential. Good quarterbacks are leaders, and he seems to be the farthest thing from inspiring. it's the kind of thing that shows itself when s**t hits the fan.

although..if he thought Iowa was too liberal for him, it definitely woulda been a little humorous to see him react to SF culture.

If you can't tell I'm hella bugged by ricky stanzi, f**k that guy. Would love to meet him one day.

You can't be freaking serious!!!!

This guy gets standing ovations at the Chiefs Preseason games, the fans love him. And he continues to improve each game, it baffles me that Harbaugh and Baalke past him up for (LOL) Kaepernick. So far Stanzi and McElroy are looking 10x's the QB then what Kaepernick has shown.

its about upside, Kaps ceiling is higher

we get the O line blocking correctly, Edwards and Crabs on the field together, and Gore running the ball things will look a lot better

Kaeps ceilling is higher says who??? Who determines upside, no one but the player on the field, upside is none other than a media word. Tell me who's upside is higher Sam Bradfords, Alex Smith or Matt Stafford??

if Stafford keeps getting hurt he will be out of the league in 3 years, if Alex doesn't turn it around this year he will be a career backup, Bradford probably has the highest out of the 3 but I still think he's gonna get that shoulder KO'd at some point as well. Or if you put all 3 together in the same draft who would go first.....Bradford, Stafford, and Alex....why, because Bradford has the higher ceiling and that's why he should go first.

Ceiling is a measuring stick not a "media" word. Some kids have higher potential because of their physical attributes (for example), they just need a little time to learn. Kap is a vastly superior athlete compared to Stanzi and McElroy and will continue to improve. He is learning a new system as is the rest of the offense. I would hope that 2 rookie QB's playing for playoff teams would have an easier time compared to what we have.

So by your measuring stick its about the situation around the QB, correct. So in that case Stanzi and McElroy who both come from Pro style offenses with a better situation around them have the better Upside than a QB who has to learn to take snaps from under center and tweak his mechanics.

Edit: Btw I could give two s**ts about how good an athlete a QB is, I want a QB who utilizes his weapons around him and makes quick good decision....consistently.

I think Stanzi and McElroy will have an easier transition into the NFL because of their previous systems and the fact the teams they are playing for are not horrible at the moment. The situation really has nothing to do with the ceiling argument, both of those guys look better now because of their situation. They have better blocking, better RB's, and better WR's to work with. So far Alex hasn't even gotten to play 1 down with the full starting unit (Crabs, Edwards, Gore). I don't like making history arguments but Walsh saw something in Young even though he didn't really start out great, and we are still talking about preseason. Every RB we have had the last 4-5 years in preseason has led the league in stats.....has that helped us in any way yet? When the QB's get adequate blocking to actually make a play consistently, I will judge their decision making.

Again so who has the better upside, sure the three QB's mentioned will probably be a while till they're capable of starting. BUT, I'm willing to bet my smart money that Stanzi and McElroy will transition faster in the Pro's and be much more successful than "Mr. Upside'. Aahh the "Steve Young" card, I'd have to say that was more a finding in which the piece was able to fit in with your puzzle, same with Tom Brady another piece to the puzzle, clearly Gio Carmazzi had more upside. Where was the Upside factor when Druckenmiller was drafted??? Who had more upside, Druckenmiller or Jake Plummer.....again the word upside means nothing when evaluating a player IMO. Tell me, hows Alex Smith's upside looking on a one-year contract with a horrid O-line?? Here's another one, who had more "upside" Steve Fuller or Joe Montana??

Sorry for getting so worked up, I just can't stand that word "Upside", no one really knows who really has more. To say that means you can predict the future, its silly.


If you look at an overall attribute list for instance Kap has higher numbers IMO. He has size (and will fill out more), great athletic ability, well above average arm strength, good college numbers, grounded personality, and one of the better teachers currently in Jim. Couple those and compare them and I think he can offer more in the long run. For arguments sake his overall value was higher across the board based on his draft placement. If 32 teams look at him has the better prospect then obviously coming out of college his overall worth was higher. Nobody can predict the future but GM's are paid to do just that, drafting on the highest return possible, granted the picks are not always right but nobody is perfect...was Brady drafted incorrectly, yep, but Manning was drafted perfectly. Having a 6'5 240lb very athletic QB with a cannon for an arm is not a bad thing, its up to Jim to mold his ass correctly and if he does.....watch out!!!

So again, no one really knows, if it was all about attributes Raiders would've been a winning franchise along time ago. And we all know how the Raiders draft, matter fact they were about to draft Kaepernick had we not traded up for him. So who's ceiling is higher Drew Brees or Kaepernick, Kaepernick has the better attributes across the board, so I guess we'd be taking Kaepernick over Brees right.

And how can you say Harbaugh is one of the better teachers, his status has yet to be determine as one at the next level. Haley and Schottenheimer have both coached their teams to the playoffs and molded franchise QB's.

The Raiders go off of one sexy attribute, usually speed. There are more attributes then just physical skill, Kap graded pretty high on the wonderlic if I remember correctly, although McElroy was higher. And other teams did have him targeted using the Raiders as a sole example is foolish (I'm sure they would take Luck if given the opportunity). You cant compare Brees, a current starting caliber QB to a rookie. Brees has already shown himself to be well above average, won a Superbowl, and a possible HOF ballot. You are throwing out the names of superstars, Kap is an unknown so to compare him throw out the name of an unknown. Comparing Kap, or Stanzi, or Luck to Brees is pointless to a discussion about potential and upside to rookie QB's who have played 3 preseason games.

I can't compare them why not, both Kaepernick and Brees were drafted in the 2nd round, Kaepernick has better attributes/measurables. I'm not talking about what Brees has done in New Orleans only about being drafted outta the 2nd round. And now using the Raiders is foolish...why, both the 9ers and Raiders were targeting him.

Face it, the word "upside" is a ridiculous word to evaluate someone or back a player when discussing them.

so every professional talent evaluator that uses upside as a measurable is ridiculous?
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by BayAreaNinersFan:
look up the youtube video of Ricky Stanzi talking about his 'american pride'. He's a first-class bigot and as much as the Niners are my life, I vowed to stop watching football if we drafted him and he became our QB.
But when it comes to on -the field significance of all this (if you aren't big on political/intellectual matters like myself--and theres nothing wrong with that), I'd venture to guess the bigotry and callousness he displays in the interview will carry over into his ability to lead men and, ultimately, realize his own true potential. Good quarterbacks are leaders, and he seems to be the farthest thing from inspiring. it's the kind of thing that shows itself when s**t hits the fan.

although..if he thought Iowa was too liberal for him, it definitely woulda been a little humorous to see him react to SF culture.

If you can't tell I'm hella bugged by ricky stanzi, f**k that guy. Would love to meet him one day.

You can't be freaking serious!!!!

This guy gets standing ovations at the Chiefs Preseason games, the fans love him. And he continues to improve each game, it baffles me that Harbaugh and Baalke past him up for (LOL) Kaepernick. So far Stanzi and McElroy are looking 10x's the QB then what Kaepernick has shown.

its about upside, Kaps ceiling is higher

we get the O line blocking correctly, Edwards and Crabs on the field together, and Gore running the ball things will look a lot better

Kaeps ceilling is higher says who??? Who determines upside, no one but the player on the field, upside is none other than a media word. Tell me who's upside is higher Sam Bradfords, Alex Smith or Matt Stafford??

if Stafford keeps getting hurt he will be out of the league in 3 years, if Alex doesn't turn it around this year he will be a career backup, Bradford probably has the highest out of the 3 but I still think he's gonna get that shoulder KO'd at some point as well. Or if you put all 3 together in the same draft who would go first.....Bradford, Stafford, and Alex....why, because Bradford has the higher ceiling and that's why he should go first.

Ceiling is a measuring stick not a "media" word. Some kids have higher potential because of their physical attributes (for example), they just need a little time to learn. Kap is a vastly superior athlete compared to Stanzi and McElroy and will continue to improve. He is learning a new system as is the rest of the offense. I would hope that 2 rookie QB's playing for playoff teams would have an easier time compared to what we have.

So by your measuring stick its about the situation around the QB, correct. So in that case Stanzi and McElroy who both come from Pro style offenses with a better situation around them have the better Upside than a QB who has to learn to take snaps from under center and tweak his mechanics.

Edit: Btw I could give two s**ts about how good an athlete a QB is, I want a QB who utilizes his weapons around him and makes quick good decision....consistently.

I think Stanzi and McElroy will have an easier transition into the NFL because of their previous systems and the fact the teams they are playing for are not horrible at the moment. The situation really has nothing to do with the ceiling argument, both of those guys look better now because of their situation. They have better blocking, better RB's, and better WR's to work with. So far Alex hasn't even gotten to play 1 down with the full starting unit (Crabs, Edwards, Gore). I don't like making history arguments but Walsh saw something in Young even though he didn't really start out great, and we are still talking about preseason. Every RB we have had the last 4-5 years in preseason has led the league in stats.....has that helped us in any way yet? When the QB's get adequate blocking to actually make a play consistently, I will judge their decision making.

Again so who has the better upside, sure the three QB's mentioned will probably be a while till they're capable of starting. BUT, I'm willing to bet my smart money that Stanzi and McElroy will transition faster in the Pro's and be much more successful than "Mr. Upside'. Aahh the "Steve Young" card, I'd have to say that was more a finding in which the piece was able to fit in with your puzzle, same with Tom Brady another piece to the puzzle, clearly Gio Carmazzi had more upside. Where was the Upside factor when Druckenmiller was drafted??? Who had more upside, Druckenmiller or Jake Plummer.....again the word upside means nothing when evaluating a player IMO. Tell me, hows Alex Smith's upside looking on a one-year contract with a horrid O-line?? Here's another one, who had more "upside" Steve Fuller or Joe Montana??

Sorry for getting so worked up, I just can't stand that word "Upside", no one really knows who really has more. To say that means you can predict the future, its silly.


If you look at an overall attribute list for instance Kap has higher numbers IMO. He has size (and will fill out more), great athletic ability, well above average arm strength, good college numbers, grounded personality, and one of the better teachers currently in Jim. Couple those and compare them and I think he can offer more in the long run. For arguments sake his overall value was higher across the board based on his draft placement. If 32 teams look at him has the better prospect then obviously coming out of college his overall worth was higher. Nobody can predict the future but GM's are paid to do just that, drafting on the highest return possible, granted the picks are not always right but nobody is perfect...was Brady drafted incorrectly, yep, but Manning was drafted perfectly. Having a 6'5 240lb very athletic QB with a cannon for an arm is not a bad thing, its up to Jim to mold his ass correctly and if he does.....watch out!!!

So again, no one really knows, if it was all about attributes Raiders would've been a winning franchise along time ago. And we all know how the Raiders draft, matter fact they were about to draft Kaepernick had we not traded up for him. So who's ceiling is higher Drew Brees or Kaepernick, Kaepernick has the better attributes across the board, so I guess we'd be taking Kaepernick over Brees right.

And how can you say Harbaugh is one of the better teachers, his status has yet to be determine as one at the next level. Haley and Schottenheimer have both coached their teams to the playoffs and molded franchise QB's.

The Raiders go off of one sexy attribute, usually speed. There are more attributes then just physical skill, Kap graded pretty high on the wonderlic if I remember correctly, although McElroy was higher. And other teams did have him targeted using the Raiders as a sole example is foolish (I'm sure they would take Luck if given the opportunity). You cant compare Brees, a current starting caliber QB to a rookie. Brees has already shown himself to be well above average, won a Superbowl, and a possible HOF ballot. You are throwing out the names of superstars, Kap is an unknown so to compare him throw out the name of an unknown. Comparing Kap, or Stanzi, or Luck to Brees is pointless to a discussion about potential and upside to rookie QB's who have played 3 preseason games.

I can't compare them why not, both Kaepernick and Brees were drafted in the 2nd round, Kaepernick has better attributes/measurables. I'm not talking about what Brees has done in New Orleans only about being drafted outta the 2nd round. And now using the Raiders is foolish...why, both the 9ers and Raiders were targeting him.

Face it, the word "upside" is a ridiculous word to evaluate someone or back a player when discussing them.

so every professional talent evaluator that uses upside as a measurable is ridiculous?

I didn't say the person using the word, the word itself is.

Getting feisty I see. Relax, not getting worked up about you, just the word.
I"m still pissed we didn't draft this guy !
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Originally posted by Paul:

He should be in a niner uniform. Maybe we can trade McCown and Chilo for him
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Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Paul:

He should be in a niner uniform. Maybe we can trade McCown and Chilo for him

The guy studied Tom Brady's mechanics, I love his passion for the game. I'm also pissed hes not in a 9er uniform. What's sickening is that we have crap for back up's behind Smith. I know everyones love for Kaepernick, but we could've had Stanzi too.

[ Edited by Kolohe on Aug 31, 2011 at 12:32 AM ]
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Paul:

He should be in a niner uniform. Maybe we can trade McCown and Chilo for him

The guy studied Tom Brady's mechanics, I love his passion for the game. I'm also pissed hes not in a 9er uniform. What's sickening is that we have crap for back up's behind Smith. I know everyones love for Kaepernick, but we could've had Stanzi too.


I can't lie, I'm not that big of a Kaepernick fan. From what I see I just don't see what all the hype is about. I have said it before and I will say it again, Stanzi will be the best QB in this years draft.
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Paul:

He should be in a niner uniform. Maybe we can trade McCown and Chilo for him

The guy studied Tom Brady's mechanics, I love his passion for the game. I'm also pissed hes not in a 9er uniform. What's sickening is that we have crap for back up's behind Smith. I know everyones love for Kaepernick, but we could've had Stanzi too.


I can't lie, I'm not that big of a Kaepernick fan. From what I see I just don't see what all the hype is about. I have said it before and I will say it again, Stanzi will be the best QB in this years draft.

I'm bummed that Stanzi isn't in a Niner uniform as well, but honestly, I don't see him doing that well behind our o-line. When Kaepernick had time against Oakland, he made the proper reads and got the ball accurately to his receivers as well. If our QBs are given time, they will succeed in the WCO.
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Kaepernick is 21 of 43 with 3 picks and a 48% completion this pre-season. Smith has been just as bad with 2 picks, 46% completion & is 12 of 26.

I liked Stanzi coming out, I know we were close to drafting Dalton... but I still hold out hope for CK to continue to develop
Originally posted by Paul:
Kaepernick is 21 of 43 with 3 picks and a 48% completion this pre-season. Smith has been just as bad with 2 picks, 46% completion & is 12 of 26.

I liked Stanzi coming out, I know we were close to drafting Dalton... but I still hold out hope for CK to continue to develop

Kap is still raw and will need time to develop, but he's definitely shown flashes. I just don't see how any QB can be successful here until our line gets their s**t together.
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Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by Paul:
Kaepernick is 21 of 43 with 3 picks and a 48% completion this pre-season. Smith has been just as bad with 2 picks, 46% completion & is 12 of 26.

I liked Stanzi coming out, I know we were close to drafting Dalton... but I still hold out hope for CK to continue to develop

Kap is still raw and will need time to develop, but he's definitely shown flashes. I just don't see how any QB can be successful here until our line gets their s**t together.

Its not just the O-line with Kaepernick though, he just doesn't look comfortable taking snaps from under center. He looks stiff in his drops a lot worse than when Gio Carmazzi was drafted. So its just not about learning to make NFL reads, but learning how to tweak your mechanics like an NFL QB. Just not a fan of Kaepernick at all, don't know what Baalke and Harbaugh saw in him. Who knows I use to hate on Jeff Garcia, but then he made a fan outta me, maybe in time Kaepernick will do the same.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Its not just the O-line with Kaepernick though, he just doesn't look comfortable taking snaps from under center. He looks stiff in his drops a lot worse than when Gio Carmazzi was drafted. So its just not about learning to make NFL reads, but learning how to tweak your mechanics like an NFL QB. Just not a fan of Kaepernick at all, don't know what Baalke and Harbaugh saw in him. Who knows I use to hate on Jeff Garcia, but then he made a fan outta me, maybe in time Kaepernick will do the same.

That's exactly why I said that he was still raw. He's got time to develop under Harbaugh, and if Harbs saw something in him, I trust that. He's accurate, he has a cannon, and he's athletic. Harbaugh has a lot to work on, and technique/fundamentals will be a part of that. It's all repetition.
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Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Its not just the O-line with Kaepernick though, he just doesn't look comfortable taking snaps from under center. He looks stiff in his drops a lot worse than when Gio Carmazzi was drafted. So its just not about learning to make NFL reads, but learning how to tweak your mechanics like an NFL QB. Just not a fan of Kaepernick at all, don't know what Baalke and Harbaugh saw in him. Who knows I use to hate on Jeff Garcia, but then he made a fan outta me, maybe in time Kaepernick will do the same.

That's exactly why I said that he was still raw. He's got time to develop under Harbaugh, and if Harbs saw something in him, I trust that. He's accurate, he has a cannon, and he's athletic. Harbaugh has a lot to work on, and technique/fundamentals will be a part of that. It's all repetition.

I understand that you say hes raw, but I don't remember the last time a QB from a gimmicky offense who struggles with NFL mechanics was successful. Aaron Rodgers, sure he sat for a few years, but his problem wasn't mechanics, it was his back ground of being a Tedford QB. Reason I bring up Rodgers, most people wanna throw in the Aaron Rodgers sit for 3 years card, but what most don't understand is that he sit to learn an NFL offense, and not because he was raw. With Kaepernick hes battling two things, NFL mechanics and an NFL offense, you need one in order to make the other work. He may become a serviceable back up but I just don't see him being anything special at the next level.
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
I understand that you say hes raw, but I don't remember the last time a QB from a gimmicky offense who struggles with NFL mechanics was successful. Aaron Rodgers, sure he sat for a few years, but his problem wasn't mechanics, it was his back ground of being a Tedford QB. Reason I bring up Rodgers, most people wanna throw in the Aaron Rodgers sit for 3 years card, but what most don't understand is that he sit to learn an NFL offense, and not because he was raw. With Kaepernick hes battling two things, NFL mechanics and an NFL offense, you need one in order to make the other work. He may become a serviceable back up but I just don't see him being anything special at the next level.

You may be right, but he's Harbaugh's pet project and this is on Harbaugh and Baalke to ensure he develops.

We saw the exact same thing in Alex Smith during his first year in the league. Not that it's a good or bad thing, but let's not judge or formulate these "he won't be good" until he's actually had an opportunity to "master" his playbook.
Originally posted by SF69ers:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Paul:

He should be in a niner uniform. Maybe we can trade McCown and Chilo for him

The guy studied Tom Brady's mechanics, I love his passion for the game. I'm also pissed hes not in a 9er uniform. What's sickening is that we have crap for back up's behind Smith. I know everyones love for Kaepernick, but we could've had Stanzi too.


I can't lie, I'm not that big of a Kaepernick fan. From what I see I just don't see what all the hype is about. I have said it before and I will say it again, Stanzi will be the best QB in this years draft.

I'm bummed that Stanzi isn't in a Niner uniform as well, but honestly, I don't see him doing that well behind our o-line. When Kaepernick had time against Oakland, he made the proper reads and got the ball accurately to his receivers as well. If our QBs are given time, they will succeed in the WCO.

Man I wanted Stanzi so badBut I think Kaepernick can be our qb of the future