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If we are just drafting a guy to start in 3 or 4 years, why not just draft a Matt Cassel-clone in the 6th or David Garrard in the 4th?

There haven't been any teams that have had 2nd round QBs that they have started immediately and THEN had success, in the last 10 drafts. Clausen was horrible, it took Drew Brees 4 years to lead his team to the playoffs, and Tavaris Jackson needed three to get to the playoffs but the guy is just garbage.

[ Edited by Eskendale on Apr 28, 2011 at 09:11:06 ]
Originally posted by BillWalsh:
Originally posted by ElDannMann:
I'm still a fan of Stanzi and his name has dropped off as of late. I bet he'll be available in the 3rd round, perhaps 4th. I say we go elsewhere in the second.

I'm starting to think he goes late second round at the latest. He looks far more accurate on all types of NFL throws then some of the guys ranked ahead of him.

I'd love to get him, but not with an early second. I'd love to get him with the 71st overall, our 3rd round pick. I think with our second round pick we can definitely go elsewhere and perhaps get an impact player.
Originally posted by BillWalsh:
If we get a top playmaker like AJ Green or Patrick Peterson in the first then why don't we pick up Stanzi in the second round instead of trading back into the first.

Most of this guys highlight plays are snaps he takes directly from the center. Sets up his throws similar to Tom Brady. I don't see why the other guys who played in gimmick offenses are seen as first rounders where Stanzi is being looked at in the third.

Using recent history as a model you can see that the 8th slotted qb has been selected no earlier then pick 121. I have Stanzi going 13 picks higher at 108.


Just saying..... Take a look....

2010 Quarterbacks

Rd # Player College Team
1 1 Sam Bradford Oklahoma St. Louis Rams
1 25 Tim Tebow Florida Denver Broncos
2 48 Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame Carolina Panthers
3 85 Colt McCoy Texas Cleveland Browns
3 89 Armanti Edwards Appalachian State Carolina Panthers (As WR)
4 122 Mike Kafka Northwestern Philadelphia Eagles
5 155 John Skelton Fordham Arizona Cardinals
5 168 Jonathan Crompton Tennessee San Diego Chargers
6 176 Rusty Smith Florida Atlantic Tennessee Titans
6 181 Dan Lefevour Central Michigan Chicago Bears
6 204 Tony Pike Cincinnati Carolina Panthers
7 209 Levi Brown Troy State Buffalo Bills
7 239 Sean Canfield Oregon State New Orleans Saints
7 250 Zac Robinson Oklahoma State New England Patriots

2009 Quarterbacks

1 1 Matthew Stafford Georgia Detroit Lions
1 5 Mark Sanchez USC NY Jets
1 17 Josh Freeman Kansas State Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2 44 Pat White West Virginia Miami Dolphins
4 101 Stephen McGee Texas A & M Dallas Cowboys
5 151 Rhett Bomar Sam Houston State NY Giants
5 171 Nate Davis Boise State San Francisco 49ers
6 174 Tom Brandstater Fresno State Denver Broncos
6 178 Mike Teel Rutgers Seattle Seahawks
6 196 Keith Null West Texas A & M St. Louis Rams
6 201 Curtis Painter Purdue Indianapolis Colts
7 232 Julian Edelman Kent State New England Patriots

2008 – Quarterbacks

Rd # Player College Team
1 3 Matt Ryan Boston College Atlanta Falcons
1 18 Joe Flacco Delaware Baltimore Ravens
2 56 Brian Brohm Louisville Green Bay Packers
2 57 Chad Henne Michigan Miami Dolphins
3 94 Kevin O’Connell San Diego State New England Patriots
5 137 John David Booty USC Minnesota Vikings
5 156 Dennis Dixon Oregon Pittsburgh Steelers
5 160 Josh Johnson San Diego Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5 162 Erik Ainge Tennessee New York Jets
6 186 Colt Brennan Hawaii Washington Redskins
6 198 Andre Woodson Kentucky New York Giants
7 209 Matt Flynn Louisiana State Green Bay Packers
7 223 Alex Brink Washington State Houston Texans

2007 – Quarterbacks

Rd # Player College Team
1 1 JaMarcus Russell Louisiana State Oakland Raiders
1 22 Brady Quinn Notre Dame Cleveland Browns
2 36 Kevin Kolb Houston Philadelphia Eagles
2 40 John Beck Brigham Young Miami Dolphins
2 43 Drew Stanton Michigan State Detroit Lions
3 92 Trent Edwards Stanford Buffalo Bills
5 151 Jeff Rowe Nevada-Reno Cincinnati Bengals
5 174 Troy Smith Ohio State Baltimore Ravens
6 205 Jordan Palmer Texas-El Paso Washington Redskins
7 217 Tyler Thigpen Coastal Carolina Minnesota Vikings

2006 – Quarterbacks

Rd # Player College Team
1 3 Vince Young Texas Tennessee Titans
1 10 Matt Leinart USC Arizona Cardinals
1 11 Jay Cutler Vanderbilt Denver Broncos
2 49 Kellen Clemens Oregon New York Jets
2 64 Tarvaris Jackson Alabama State Minnesota Vikings
3 81 Charlie Whitehurst Clemson San Diego Chargers
3 85 Brodie Croyle Alabama Kansas City Chiefs
5 148 Ingle Martin Furman Green Bay Packers
5 164 Omar Jacobs Bowling Green State Pittsburgh Steelers
6 194 Bruce Gradkowski Toledo Tampa Bay Buccaneers
7 223 D.J. Shockley Georgia Atlanta Falcons

2005 – Quarterbacks

Rd #
1 1 Alex Smith Utah San Francisco 49ers
1 24 Aaron Rodgers California Green Bay Packers
1 25 Jason Campbell Auburn Washington Redskins
3 67 Charlie Frye Akron Cleveland Browns
3 69 Andrew Walter Arizona State Oakland Raiders
3 85 David Greene Georgia Seattle Seahawks
4 106 Kyle Orton Purdue Chicago Bears
4 121 Stefan LeFors Louisville Carolina Panthers
5 145 Dan Orlovsky Connecticut Detroit Lions
5 152 Adrian McPherson Florida State New Orleans Saints
6 213 Derek Anderson Oregon State Baltimore Ravens
7 230 Matt Cassel USC New England Patriots
7 250 Ryan Fitzpatrick Harvard St. Louis Rams

2004 – Quarterbacks

1 1 Eli Manning Mississippi San Diego Chargers
1 4 Philip Rivers North Carolina State New York Giants
1 11 Ben Roethlisberger Miami (Ohio) Pittsburgh Steelers
1 22 J.P. Losman Tulane Buffalo Bills
3 90 Matt Schaub Virginia Atlanta Falcons
4 106 Luke McCown Louisiana Tech Cleveland Browns
5 148 Craig Krenzel Ohio State Chicago Bears
6 185 Andy Hall Delaware Philadelphia Eagles
6 187 Josh Harris Bowling Green State Baltimore Ravens
6 193 Jim Sorgi Wisconsin Indianapolis Colts
6 201 Jeff Smoker Michigan State St. Louis Rams
7 202 John Navarre Michigan Arizona Cardinals
7 217 Cody Pickett Washington San Francisco 49ers
7 218 Casey Bramlet Wyoming Cincinnati Bengals
7 225 Matt Mauck Louisiana State Denver Broncos
7 248 B.J. Symons Texas Tech Houston Texans
7 250 Bradlee Van Pelt Colorado State Denver Broncos

2003 – Quarterbacks

1 1 Carson Palmer USC Cincinnati Bengals
1 7 Byron Leftwich Marshall Jacksonville Jaguars
1 19 Kyle Boller California Baltimore Ravens
1 22 Rex Grossman Florida Chicago Bears
3 88 Dave Ragone Louisville Houston Texans
3 97 Chris Simms Texas Tampa Bay Buccaneers
4 110 Seneca Wallace Iowa State Seattle Seahawks
5 163 Brian St. Pierre Boston College Pittsburgh Steelers
6 192 Drew Henson Michigan Houston Texans
6 200 Brooks Bollinger Wisconsin New York Jets
6 201 Kliff Kingsbury Texas Tech New England Patriots
7 232 Gibran Hamdan Indiana Washington Redskins
7 241 Ken Dorsey Miami (Fla.) San Francisco 49ers

2002 – Quarterbacks

1 1 David Carr Fresno State Houston Texans
1 3 Joey Harrington Oregon Detroit Lions
1 32 Patrick Ramsey Tulane Washington Redskins
3 81 Josh McCown Sam Houston State Arizona Cardinals
4 108 David Garrard East Carolina Jacksonville Jaguars
4 117 Rohan Davey Louisiana State New England Patriots
5 137 Randy Fasani Stanford Carolina Panthers
5 158 Kurt Kittner Illinois Atlanta Falcons
5 163 Brandon Doman Brigham Young San Francisco 49ers
5 164 Craig Nall Northwestern State-Louisiana Green Bay Packers
6 186 J.T. O’Sullivan California-Davis New Orleans Saints
7 216 Seth Burford Cal Poly-S.L.O. San Diego Chargers
7 232 Jeff Kelly Southern Mississippi Seattle Seahawks
7 235 Ronald Curry North Carolina Oakland Raiders
7 236 Wes Pate Stephen F. Austin St. Baltimore Ravens

2001 – Quarterbacks

1 1 Michael Vick Virginia Tech Atlanta Falcons
2 32 Drew Brees Purdue San Diego Chargers
2 53 Quincy Carter Georgia Dallas Cowboys
2 59 Marques Tuiasosopo Washington Oakland Raiders
4 106 Chris Weinke Florida State Carolina Panthers
4 109 Sage Rosenfels Iowa State Washington Redskins
4 125 Jesse Palmer Florida New York Giants
5 149 Mike McMahon Rutgers Detroit Lions
5 155 A.J. Feeley Oregon Philadelphia Eagles
6 172 Josh Booty Louisiana State Seattle Seahawks
6 177 Josh Heupel Oklahoma Miami Dolphins

2000 – Quarterbacks

1 18 Chad Pennington Marshall New York Jets
3 65 Giovanni Carmazzi Hofstra San Francisco 49ers
3 75 Chris Redman Louisville Baltimore Ravens
5 163 Tee Martin Tennessee Pittsburgh Steelers
6 168 Marc Bulger West Virginia New Orleans Saints
6 183 Spergon Wynn Texas State Cleveland Browns
6 199 Tom Brady Michigan New England Patriots
6 202 Todd Husak Stanford Washington Redskins
7 212 Tim Rattay Louisiana Tech San Francisco 49ers
7 214 Jarious Jackson Notre Dame Denver Broncos
7 234 Joe Hamilton Georgia Tech Tampa Bay Buccaneers


I actually went and looked it up all the way back to 1970. Three times the 8th qb has been selected before pick 108.

1999, Joe Germaine, 101st pick.
1990, Scott Mitchell, 93rd pick.
1971, Joe Theisman, 99th pick.

Im calling it right now, Stanzi wont go before pick 93.
Hope you're right :)
Originally posted by BillWalsh:
If we get a top playmaker like AJ Green or Patrick Peterson in the first then why don't we pick up Stanzi in the second round instead of trading back into the first.

Most of this guys highlight plays are snaps he takes directly from the center. Sets up his throws similar to Tom Brady. I don't see why the other guys who played in gimmick offenses are seen as first rounders where Stanzi is being looked at in the third.

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[ Edited by Jwalk on Apr 28, 2011 at 09:37:15 ]
Stanzi won't be there in the third round. If, as projected, the other highly-touted QBs (all seven of them) go in rounds 1-2, Stanzi will be the only guy with NFL starting potential left for a team to draft. Remember, there are 10 teams that need QBs, and only eight players that are expected to have a chance in this league.

If the others all go in rounds 1-2, Stanzi will follow soon thereafter.

[ Edited by SBinMT on Apr 28, 2011 at 10:00:37 ]
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Originally posted by SBinMT:
Stanzi won't be there in the third round. If, as projected, the other highly-touted QBs (all seven of them) go in rounds 1-2, Stanzi will be the only guy with NFL starting potential left for a team to draft. Remember, there are 10 teams that need QBs, and only eight players that are expected to have a chance in this league.

If the other all go in rounds 1-2, Stanzi will follow soon thereafter.

There are also teams beyond the 10 with needs that might consider drafting a back up that would potentially be a starter on another team. If he's there in the 3rd, Philly could grab him as Vick's backup knowing they're getting rid of Kolb, although that hurts their negotiating position. New England has picks to spare, Indy maybe.
Originally posted by SBinMT:
Stanzi won't be there in the third round. If, as projected, the other highly-touted QBs (all seven of them) go in rounds 1-2, Stanzi will be the only guy with NFL starting potential left for a team to draft. Remember, there are 10 teams that need QBs, and only eight players that are expected to have a chance in this league.

If the other all go in rounds 1-2, Stanzi will follow soon thereafter.

Just becuase teams need QBs doesnt mean they draft them. Look at the Niners for example. Some teams will opt for a veteran instead. Id be shocked if Stanzi went any higher then late 3rd.
Originally posted by Otter:
Originally posted by SBinMT:
Stanzi won't be there in the third round. If, as projected, the other highly-touted QBs (all seven of them) go in rounds 1-2, Stanzi will be the only guy with NFL starting potential left for a team to draft. Remember, there are 10 teams that need QBs, and only eight players that are expected to have a chance in this league.

If the other all go in rounds 1-2, Stanzi will follow soon thereafter.

There are also teams beyond the 10 with needs that might consider drafting a back up that would potentially be a starter on another team. If he's there in the 3rd, Philly could grab him as Vick's backup knowing they're getting rid of Kolb, although that hurts their negotiating position. New England has picks to spare, Indy maybe.

This is a good point. I think what you're saying here strengthens the thought that Stanzi will go relatively early. (Lots of teams are looking to upgrade not just their starting jobs, but backup positions, as well.) Now, if the other highly rated QBs fall, Stanzi will, too. But if they're all gone by the early to mid second, Stanzi will get a nice payday.
Originally posted by Jwalk:
Originally posted by SBinMT:
Stanzi won't be there in the third round. If, as projected, the other highly-touted QBs (all seven of them) go in rounds 1-2, Stanzi will be the only guy with NFL starting potential left for a team to draft. Remember, there are 10 teams that need QBs, and only eight players that are expected to have a chance in this league.

If the other all go in rounds 1-2, Stanzi will follow soon thereafter.

Just becuase teams need QBs doesnt mean they draft them. Look at the Niners for example. Some teams will opt for a veteran instead. Id be shocked if Stanzi went any higher then late 3rd.

I agree with you, too. My argument is based solely upon the journalistic conjecture that the other big-name QBs will all go in the first 45 picks. I don't see the last good NFL QB prospect (Stanzi) sitting out there a while after teams have already devoured players that look to have more-or-less equal NFL outlooks.
Originally posted by Jwalk:
Originally posted by SBinMT:
Stanzi won't be there in the third round. If, as projected, the other highly-touted QBs (all seven of them) go in rounds 1-2, Stanzi will be the only guy with NFL starting potential left for a team to draft. Remember, there are 10 teams that need QBs, and only eight players that are expected to have a chance in this league.

If the other all go in rounds 1-2, Stanzi will follow soon thereafter.

Just becuase teams need QBs doesnt mean they draft them. Look at the Niners for example. Some teams will opt for a veteran instead. Id be shocked if Stanzi went any higher then late 3rd.

I agree with you, too. My argument is based solely upon the journalistic conjecture that the other big-name QBs will all go in the first 45 picks. I don't see the last good NFL QB prospect (Stanzi) sitting out there a while after teams have already devoured players that look to have more-or-less equal NFL outlooks.
Originally posted by Jwalk:
Originally posted by BillWalsh:
If we get a top playmaker like AJ Green or Patrick Peterson in the first then why don't we pick up Stanzi in the second round instead of trading back into the first.

Most of this guys highlight plays are snaps he takes directly from the center. Sets up his throws similar to Tom Brady. I don't see why the other guys who played in gimmick offenses are seen as first rounders where Stanzi is being looked at in the third.

Using recent history as a model you can see that the 8th slotted qb has been selected no earlier then pick 121. I have Stanzi going 13 picks higher at 108.


Just saying..... Take a look....

2010 Quarterbacks

Rd # Player College Team
1 1 Sam Bradford Oklahoma St. Louis Rams
1 25 Tim Tebow Florida Denver Broncos
2 48 Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame Carolina Panthers
3 85 Colt McCoy Texas Cleveland Browns
3 89 Armanti Edwards Appalachian State Carolina Panthers (As WR)
4 122 Mike Kafka Northwestern Philadelphia Eagles
5 155 John Skelton Fordham Arizona Cardinals
5 168 Jonathan Crompton Tennessee San Diego Chargers
6 176 Rusty Smith Florida Atlantic Tennessee Titans
6 181 Dan Lefevour Central Michigan Chicago Bears
6 204 Tony Pike Cincinnati Carolina Panthers
7 209 Levi Brown Troy State Buffalo Bills
7 239 Sean Canfield Oregon State New Orleans Saints
7 250 Zac Robinson Oklahoma State New England Patriots

2009 Quarterbacks

1 1 Matthew Stafford Georgia Detroit Lions
1 5 Mark Sanchez USC NY Jets
1 17 Josh Freeman Kansas State Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2 44 Pat White West Virginia Miami Dolphins
4 101 Stephen McGee Texas A & M Dallas Cowboys
5 151 Rhett Bomar Sam Houston State NY Giants
5 171 Nate Davis Boise State San Francisco 49ers
6 174 Tom Brandstater Fresno State Denver Broncos
6 178 Mike Teel Rutgers Seattle Seahawks
6 196 Keith Null West Texas A & M St. Louis Rams
6 201 Curtis Painter Purdue Indianapolis Colts
7 232 Julian Edelman Kent State New England Patriots

2008 – Quarterbacks

Rd # Player College Team
1 3 Matt Ryan Boston College Atlanta Falcons
1 18 Joe Flacco Delaware Baltimore Ravens
2 56 Brian Brohm Louisville Green Bay Packers
2 57 Chad Henne Michigan Miami Dolphins
3 94 Kevin O’Connell San Diego State New England Patriots
5 137 John David Booty USC Minnesota Vikings
5 156 Dennis Dixon Oregon Pittsburgh Steelers
5 160 Josh Johnson San Diego Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5 162 Erik Ainge Tennessee New York Jets
6 186 Colt Brennan Hawaii Washington Redskins
6 198 Andre Woodson Kentucky New York Giants
7 209 Matt Flynn Louisiana State Green Bay Packers
7 223 Alex Brink Washington State Houston Texans

2007 – Quarterbacks

Rd # Player College Team
1 1 JaMarcus Russell Louisiana State Oakland Raiders
1 22 Brady Quinn Notre Dame Cleveland Browns
2 36 Kevin Kolb Houston Philadelphia Eagles
2 40 John Beck Brigham Young Miami Dolphins
2 43 Drew Stanton Michigan State Detroit Lions
3 92 Trent Edwards Stanford Buffalo Bills
5 151 Jeff Rowe Nevada-Reno Cincinnati Bengals
5 174 Troy Smith Ohio State Baltimore Ravens
6 205 Jordan Palmer Texas-El Paso Washington Redskins
7 217 Tyler Thigpen Coastal Carolina Minnesota Vikings

2006 – Quarterbacks

Rd # Player College Team
1 3 Vince Young Texas Tennessee Titans
1 10 Matt Leinart USC Arizona Cardinals
1 11 Jay Cutler Vanderbilt Denver Broncos
2 49 Kellen Clemens Oregon New York Jets
2 64 Tarvaris Jackson Alabama State Minnesota Vikings
3 81 Charlie Whitehurst Clemson San Diego Chargers
3 85 Brodie Croyle Alabama Kansas City Chiefs
5 148 Ingle Martin Furman Green Bay Packers
5 164 Omar Jacobs Bowling Green State Pittsburgh Steelers
6 194 Bruce Gradkowski Toledo Tampa Bay Buccaneers
7 223 D.J. Shockley Georgia Atlanta Falcons

2005 – Quarterbacks

Rd #
1 1 Alex Smith Utah San Francisco 49ers
1 24 Aaron Rodgers California Green Bay Packers
1 25 Jason Campbell Auburn Washington Redskins
3 67 Charlie Frye Akron Cleveland Browns
3 69 Andrew Walter Arizona State Oakland Raiders
3 85 David Greene Georgia Seattle Seahawks
4 106 Kyle Orton Purdue Chicago Bears
4 121 Stefan LeFors Louisville Carolina Panthers
5 145 Dan Orlovsky Connecticut Detroit Lions
5 152 Adrian McPherson Florida State New Orleans Saints
6 213 Derek Anderson Oregon State Baltimore Ravens
7 230 Matt Cassel USC New England Patriots
7 250 Ryan Fitzpatrick Harvard St. Louis Rams

2004 – Quarterbacks

1 1 Eli Manning Mississippi San Diego Chargers
1 4 Philip Rivers North Carolina State New York Giants
1 11 Ben Roethlisberger Miami (Ohio) Pittsburgh Steelers
1 22 J.P. Losman Tulane Buffalo Bills
3 90 Matt Schaub Virginia Atlanta Falcons
4 106 Luke McCown Louisiana Tech Cleveland Browns
5 148 Craig Krenzel Ohio State Chicago Bears
6 185 Andy Hall Delaware Philadelphia Eagles
6 187 Josh Harris Bowling Green State Baltimore Ravens
6 193 Jim Sorgi Wisconsin Indianapolis Colts
6 201 Jeff Smoker Michigan State St. Louis Rams
7 202 John Navarre Michigan Arizona Cardinals
7 217 Cody Pickett Washington San Francisco 49ers
7 218 Casey Bramlet Wyoming Cincinnati Bengals
7 225 Matt Mauck Louisiana State Denver Broncos
7 248 B.J. Symons Texas Tech Houston Texans
7 250 Bradlee Van Pelt Colorado State Denver Broncos

2003 – Quarterbacks

1 1 Carson Palmer USC Cincinnati Bengals
1 7 Byron Leftwich Marshall Jacksonville Jaguars
1 19 Kyle Boller California Baltimore Ravens
1 22 Rex Grossman Florida Chicago Bears
3 88 Dave Ragone Louisville Houston Texans
3 97 Chris Simms Texas Tampa Bay Buccaneers
4 110 Seneca Wallace Iowa State Seattle Seahawks
5 163 Brian St. Pierre Boston College Pittsburgh Steelers
6 192 Drew Henson Michigan Houston Texans
6 200 Brooks Bollinger Wisconsin New York Jets
6 201 Kliff Kingsbury Texas Tech New England Patriots
7 232 Gibran Hamdan Indiana Washington Redskins
7 241 Ken Dorsey Miami (Fla.) San Francisco 49ers

2002 – Quarterbacks

1 1 David Carr Fresno State Houston Texans
1 3 Joey Harrington Oregon Detroit Lions
1 32 Patrick Ramsey Tulane Washington Redskins
3 81 Josh McCown Sam Houston State Arizona Cardinals
4 108 David Garrard East Carolina Jacksonville Jaguars
4 117 Rohan Davey Louisiana State New England Patriots
5 137 Randy Fasani Stanford Carolina Panthers
5 158 Kurt Kittner Illinois Atlanta Falcons
5 163 Brandon Doman Brigham Young San Francisco 49ers
5 164 Craig Nall Northwestern State-Louisiana Green Bay Packers
6 186 J.T. O’Sullivan California-Davis New Orleans Saints
7 216 Seth Burford Cal Poly-S.L.O. San Diego Chargers
7 232 Jeff Kelly Southern Mississippi Seattle Seahawks
7 235 Ronald Curry North Carolina Oakland Raiders
7 236 Wes Pate Stephen F. Austin St. Baltimore Ravens

2001 – Quarterbacks

1 1 Michael Vick Virginia Tech Atlanta Falcons
2 32 Drew Brees Purdue San Diego Chargers
2 53 Quincy Carter Georgia Dallas Cowboys
2 59 Marques Tuiasosopo Washington Oakland Raiders
4 106 Chris Weinke Florida State Carolina Panthers
4 109 Sage Rosenfels Iowa State Washington Redskins
4 125 Jesse Palmer Florida New York Giants
5 149 Mike McMahon Rutgers Detroit Lions
5 155 A.J. Feeley Oregon Philadelphia Eagles
6 172 Josh Booty Louisiana State Seattle Seahawks
6 177 Josh Heupel Oklahoma Miami Dolphins

2000 – Quarterbacks

1 18 Chad Pennington Marshall New York Jets
3 65 Giovanni Carmazzi Hofstra San Francisco 49ers
3 75 Chris Redman Louisville Baltimore Ravens
5 163 Tee Martin Tennessee Pittsburgh Steelers
6 168 Marc Bulger West Virginia New Orleans Saints
6 183 Spergon Wynn Texas State Cleveland Browns
6 199 Tom Brady Michigan New England Patriots
6 202 Todd Husak Stanford Washington Redskins
7 212 Tim Rattay Louisiana Tech San Francisco 49ers
7 214 Jarious Jackson Notre Dame Denver Broncos
7 234 Joe Hamilton Georgia Tech Tampa Bay Buccaneers


I actually went and looked it up all the way back to 1970. Three times the 8th qb has been selected before pick 108.

1999, Joe Germaine, 101st pick.
1990, Scott Mitchell, 93rd pick.
1971, Joe Theisman, 99th pick.

Im calling it right now, Stanzi wont go before pick 93.

Stanzi might be the third ranked passer on some teams boards not the 8th.
Originally posted by BillWalsh:
Originally posted by Jwalk:
Originally posted by BillWalsh:
If we get a top playmaker like AJ Green or Patrick Peterson in the first then why don't we pick up Stanzi in the second round instead of trading back into the first.

Most of this guys highlight plays are snaps he takes directly from the center. Sets up his throws similar to Tom Brady. I don't see why the other guys who played in gimmick offenses are seen as first rounders where Stanzi is being looked at in the third.

Using recent history as a model you can see that the 8th slotted qb has been selected no earlier then pick 121. I have Stanzi going 13 picks higher at 108.


Just saying..... Take a look....

2010 Quarterbacks

Rd # Player College Team
1 1 Sam Bradford Oklahoma St. Louis Rams
1 25 Tim Tebow Florida Denver Broncos
2 48 Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame Carolina Panthers
3 85 Colt McCoy Texas Cleveland Browns
3 89 Armanti Edwards Appalachian State Carolina Panthers (As WR)
4 122 Mike Kafka Northwestern Philadelphia Eagles
5 155 John Skelton Fordham Arizona Cardinals
5 168 Jonathan Crompton Tennessee San Diego Chargers
6 176 Rusty Smith Florida Atlantic Tennessee Titans
6 181 Dan Lefevour Central Michigan Chicago Bears
6 204 Tony Pike Cincinnati Carolina Panthers
7 209 Levi Brown Troy State Buffalo Bills
7 239 Sean Canfield Oregon State New Orleans Saints
7 250 Zac Robinson Oklahoma State New England Patriots

2009 Quarterbacks

1 1 Matthew Stafford Georgia Detroit Lions
1 5 Mark Sanchez USC NY Jets
1 17 Josh Freeman Kansas State Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2 44 Pat White West Virginia Miami Dolphins
4 101 Stephen McGee Texas A & M Dallas Cowboys
5 151 Rhett Bomar Sam Houston State NY Giants
5 171 Nate Davis Boise State San Francisco 49ers
6 174 Tom Brandstater Fresno State Denver Broncos
6 178 Mike Teel Rutgers Seattle Seahawks
6 196 Keith Null West Texas A & M St. Louis Rams
6 201 Curtis Painter Purdue Indianapolis Colts
7 232 Julian Edelman Kent State New England Patriots

2008 – Quarterbacks

Rd # Player College Team
1 3 Matt Ryan Boston College Atlanta Falcons
1 18 Joe Flacco Delaware Baltimore Ravens
2 56 Brian Brohm Louisville Green Bay Packers
2 57 Chad Henne Michigan Miami Dolphins
3 94 Kevin O’Connell San Diego State New England Patriots
5 137 John David Booty USC Minnesota Vikings
5 156 Dennis Dixon Oregon Pittsburgh Steelers
5 160 Josh Johnson San Diego Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5 162 Erik Ainge Tennessee New York Jets
6 186 Colt Brennan Hawaii Washington Redskins
6 198 Andre Woodson Kentucky New York Giants
7 209 Matt Flynn Louisiana State Green Bay Packers
7 223 Alex Brink Washington State Houston Texans

2007 – Quarterbacks

Rd # Player College Team
1 1 JaMarcus Russell Louisiana State Oakland Raiders
1 22 Brady Quinn Notre Dame Cleveland Browns
2 36 Kevin Kolb Houston Philadelphia Eagles
2 40 John Beck Brigham Young Miami Dolphins
2 43 Drew Stanton Michigan State Detroit Lions
3 92 Trent Edwards Stanford Buffalo Bills
5 151 Jeff Rowe Nevada-Reno Cincinnati Bengals
5 174 Troy Smith Ohio State Baltimore Ravens
6 205 Jordan Palmer Texas-El Paso Washington Redskins
7 217 Tyler Thigpen Coastal Carolina Minnesota Vikings

2006 – Quarterbacks

Rd # Player College Team
1 3 Vince Young Texas Tennessee Titans
1 10 Matt Leinart USC Arizona Cardinals
1 11 Jay Cutler Vanderbilt Denver Broncos
2 49 Kellen Clemens Oregon New York Jets
2 64 Tarvaris Jackson Alabama State Minnesota Vikings
3 81 Charlie Whitehurst Clemson San Diego Chargers
3 85 Brodie Croyle Alabama Kansas City Chiefs
5 148 Ingle Martin Furman Green Bay Packers
5 164 Omar Jacobs Bowling Green State Pittsburgh Steelers
6 194 Bruce Gradkowski Toledo Tampa Bay Buccaneers
7 223 D.J. Shockley Georgia Atlanta Falcons

2005 – Quarterbacks

Rd #
1 1 Alex Smith Utah San Francisco 49ers
1 24 Aaron Rodgers California Green Bay Packers
1 25 Jason Campbell Auburn Washington Redskins
3 67 Charlie Frye Akron Cleveland Browns
3 69 Andrew Walter Arizona State Oakland Raiders
3 85 David Greene Georgia Seattle Seahawks
4 106 Kyle Orton Purdue Chicago Bears
4 121 Stefan LeFors Louisville Carolina Panthers
5 145 Dan Orlovsky Connecticut Detroit Lions
5 152 Adrian McPherson Florida State New Orleans Saints
6 213 Derek Anderson Oregon State Baltimore Ravens
7 230 Matt Cassel USC New England Patriots
7 250 Ryan Fitzpatrick Harvard St. Louis Rams

2004 – Quarterbacks

1 1 Eli Manning Mississippi San Diego Chargers
1 4 Philip Rivers North Carolina State New York Giants
1 11 Ben Roethlisberger Miami (Ohio) Pittsburgh Steelers
1 22 J.P. Losman Tulane Buffalo Bills
3 90 Matt Schaub Virginia Atlanta Falcons
4 106 Luke McCown Louisiana Tech Cleveland Browns
5 148 Craig Krenzel Ohio State Chicago Bears
6 185 Andy Hall Delaware Philadelphia Eagles
6 187 Josh Harris Bowling Green State Baltimore Ravens
6 193 Jim Sorgi Wisconsin Indianapolis Colts
6 201 Jeff Smoker Michigan State St. Louis Rams
7 202 John Navarre Michigan Arizona Cardinals
7 217 Cody Pickett Washington San Francisco 49ers
7 218 Casey Bramlet Wyoming Cincinnati Bengals
7 225 Matt Mauck Louisiana State Denver Broncos
7 248 B.J. Symons Texas Tech Houston Texans
7 250 Bradlee Van Pelt Colorado State Denver Broncos

2003 – Quarterbacks

1 1 Carson Palmer USC Cincinnati Bengals
1 7 Byron Leftwich Marshall Jacksonville Jaguars
1 19 Kyle Boller California Baltimore Ravens
1 22 Rex Grossman Florida Chicago Bears
3 88 Dave Ragone Louisville Houston Texans
3 97 Chris Simms Texas Tampa Bay Buccaneers
4 110 Seneca Wallace Iowa State Seattle Seahawks
5 163 Brian St. Pierre Boston College Pittsburgh Steelers
6 192 Drew Henson Michigan Houston Texans
6 200 Brooks Bollinger Wisconsin New York Jets
6 201 Kliff Kingsbury Texas Tech New England Patriots
7 232 Gibran Hamdan Indiana Washington Redskins
7 241 Ken Dorsey Miami (Fla.) San Francisco 49ers

2002 – Quarterbacks

1 1 David Carr Fresno State Houston Texans
1 3 Joey Harrington Oregon Detroit Lions
1 32 Patrick Ramsey Tulane Washington Redskins
3 81 Josh McCown Sam Houston State Arizona Cardinals
4 108 David Garrard East Carolina Jacksonville Jaguars
4 117 Rohan Davey Louisiana State New England Patriots
5 137 Randy Fasani Stanford Carolina Panthers
5 158 Kurt Kittner Illinois Atlanta Falcons
5 163 Brandon Doman Brigham Young San Francisco 49ers
5 164 Craig Nall Northwestern State-Louisiana Green Bay Packers
6 186 J.T. O’Sullivan California-Davis New Orleans Saints
7 216 Seth Burford Cal Poly-S.L.O. San Diego Chargers
7 232 Jeff Kelly Southern Mississippi Seattle Seahawks
7 235 Ronald Curry North Carolina Oakland Raiders
7 236 Wes Pate Stephen F. Austin St. Baltimore Ravens

2001 – Quarterbacks

1 1 Michael Vick Virginia Tech Atlanta Falcons
2 32 Drew Brees Purdue San Diego Chargers
2 53 Quincy Carter Georgia Dallas Cowboys
2 59 Marques Tuiasosopo Washington Oakland Raiders
4 106 Chris Weinke Florida State Carolina Panthers
4 109 Sage Rosenfels Iowa State Washington Redskins
4 125 Jesse Palmer Florida New York Giants
5 149 Mike McMahon Rutgers Detroit Lions
5 155 A.J. Feeley Oregon Philadelphia Eagles
6 172 Josh Booty Louisiana State Seattle Seahawks
6 177 Josh Heupel Oklahoma Miami Dolphins

2000 – Quarterbacks

1 18 Chad Pennington Marshall New York Jets
3 65 Giovanni Carmazzi Hofstra San Francisco 49ers
3 75 Chris Redman Louisville Baltimore Ravens
5 163 Tee Martin Tennessee Pittsburgh Steelers
6 168 Marc Bulger West Virginia New Orleans Saints
6 183 Spergon Wynn Texas State Cleveland Browns
6 199 Tom Brady Michigan New England Patriots
6 202 Todd Husak Stanford Washington Redskins
7 212 Tim Rattay Louisiana Tech San Francisco 49ers
7 214 Jarious Jackson Notre Dame Denver Broncos
7 234 Joe Hamilton Georgia Tech Tampa Bay Buccaneers


I actually went and looked it up all the way back to 1970. Three times the 8th qb has been selected before pick 108.

1999, Joe Germaine, 101st pick.
1990, Scott Mitchell, 93rd pick.
1971, Joe Theisman, 99th pick.

Im calling it right now, Stanzi wont go before pick 93.

Stanzi might be the third ranked passer on some teams boards not the 8th.

Touche, that might be true.
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Originally posted by Jwalk:
Originally posted by BillWalsh:
Originally posted by Jwalk:
Originally posted by BillWalsh:
If we get a top playmaker like AJ Green or Patrick Peterson in the first then why don't we pick up Stanzi in the second round instead of trading back into the first.

Most of this guys highlight plays are snaps he takes directly from the center. Sets up his throws similar to Tom Brady. I don't see why the other guys who played in gimmick offenses are seen as first rounders where Stanzi is being looked at in the third.


Im calling it right now, Stanzi wont go before pick 93.

Stanzi might be the third ranked passer on some teams boards not the 8th.

Touche, that might be true.

I'll still give you credit if the 8th QB selected is after the 93rd pick, whether it is Stanzi or someone else like Kaepernick or Mallett.
Originally posted by Jwalk:
Originally posted by SBinMT:
Stanzi won't be there in the third round. If, as projected, the other highly-touted QBs (all seven of them) go in rounds 1-2, Stanzi will be the only guy with NFL starting potential left for a team to draft. Remember, there are 10 teams that need QBs, and only eight players that are expected to have a chance in this league.

If the other all go in rounds 1-2, Stanzi will follow soon thereafter.

Just becuase teams need QBs doesnt mean they draft them. Look at the Niners for example. Some teams will opt for a veteran instead. Id be shocked if Stanzi went any higher then late 3rd.

Did you not hear that Jake Locker was selected @8 & Christian Ponder @12??

Obviously all the solid QB prospects will be moved up the board, they're going fast.

[ Edited by GMniner805 on Apr 29, 2011 at 00:01:38 ]