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What do y'all think of Cam Newton?
Dec 14, 2010 at 5:22 PM
- Dshearn
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no correlation between being a samsung certified trainer and haveing swype function correctly either.......
Dec 14, 2010 at 5:49 PM
- binary2nd
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Originally posted by ninertico:Originally posted by skeetskeet:Originally posted by Dshearn:
there is no direct correlation between high wonderlic and nfl success.
its only used when looking at the total package.
the guy could study for it like past auburn guys have , I went from 32 to 46 by the, adas
theres also no direct correlation between a high wonderlic and being able to finish sentences and properly post on an internet forum
It don't matter man! He's accurate!!!!
""He has excellent accuracy," Brandt said. "I'm amazed at his accuracy whether it be 10 yards down field or 20 yards down field or more. He's got arm strength."--Gil Brandt, Deseret News
Any niner fan quoting Gil Brandt needs a head check. Gil Brandt thought Alex was utterly impressive out of college.
Dec 14, 2010 at 6:26 PM
- Jcool
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Originally posted by binary2nd:Originally posted by ninertico:Originally posted by skeetskeet:Originally posted by Dshearn:
there is no direct correlation between high wonderlic and nfl success.
its only used when looking at the total package.
the guy could study for it like past auburn guys have , I went from 32 to 46 by the, adas
theres also no direct correlation between a high wonderlic and being able to finish sentences and properly post on an internet forum
It don't matter man! He's accurate!!!!
""He has excellent accuracy," Brandt said. "I'm amazed at his accuracy whether it be 10 yards down field or 20 yards down field or more. He's got arm strength."--Gil Brandt, Deseret News
Any niner fan quoting Gil Brandt needs a head check. Gil Brandt thought Alex was utterly impressive out of college.
Quote:
Mike Sando: So many pre-draft reports are accurate without necessarily telling us how things will turn out. One line of thinking before the 2005 draft was that the understated Smith and then-49ers coach Mike Nolan would be highly compatible. In reality, mistrust came to define their relationship.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/tag/_/name/gil-brandt
[ Edited by Jcool on Dec 14, 2010 at 6:32 PM ]
Dec 14, 2010 at 7:36 PM
- ninerlifer
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Originally posted by ninertico:Originally posted by 23zack80:Originally posted by ninerlifer:Originally posted by binary2nd:Originally posted by ninerlifer:Originally posted by binary2nd:
The object here is to get a franchise QB that can throw consistently from the pocket correct? Look at the franchise QBs in the league, then look at how intelligent they are, the trend is freaking clear as day. You can't have a dummy as a franchise QB, it doesn't work.
Cam threw from the pocket all day, save the TD before halftime where he scrambled right and threw a dart for a 50 yard TD in the SEC title game. Depending on the system, will depend on how ready he will be.
And if we go for a WCO, which in all likelyhood we may (since we have all the perfect ingredients for it), a pocket only qb is not what the system calls for. We would need someone who can scramble and make plays as well. You dont have to be a genius to play.
And Ben Roethlisburger isnt a franchise qb? Peyton? Brees? They are typical pocket qb's (as is the case with what I brought up with HOFers in Kelly, Marino, and Bradshaw). They all scored below 30 on the wonderlic.
Do you know anything about Auburn's Offense? It's one read and run.
28 or 30, whatever, the avg. for QBs is like 24, all the good QBs are above average, are you seriously going to act like you don't see the trend here?
Did you read what I said? Yes I have watched every Auburn game this year. And very familiar with AU's offense under Gus Malzone. However, in the SEC title game, they came out passing, which they havent done all year to take the lead, and definetly caught the Gamecocks off guard. Again please read.
I can see what you are trying to say, but you are so blind in what you are trying to say, that you are missing the point of the original argument.
Again what Im saying is, you dont HAVE to be smart according to the wonderlic test. As evidenced by the list shown. I don't think you are getting the point here.
When Newton passes against someone who is expecting Newton to throw the ball and the only option is pass, then tell me how good he is as a passer. Until then, he has proven absolutely nothing besides his unbelievable athleticism.
So you discount what he did against the Cocks?
Obviously he didnt, because the Gamecocks have 2 CB's that will play on Sundays. I guess he didnt see what he did against Alabama either, to come from behind and win using his arm either. If you cant be impressed with how much arm strength, and accuracy he has to go along with his moxy, and leadership, and the fact that he can run and cant be stopped, oh well....2 years in the right system, the NFL wont be ready for Cam
Dec 15, 2010 at 7:56 AM
- ninertico
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Originally posted by binary2nd:Originally posted by ninertico:Originally posted by skeetskeet:Originally posted by Dshearn:
there is no direct correlation between high wonderlic and nfl success.
its only used when looking at the total package.
the guy could study for it like past auburn guys have , I went from 32 to 46 by the, adas
theres also no direct correlation between a high wonderlic and being able to finish sentences and properly post on an internet forum
It don't matter man! He's accurate!!!!
""He has excellent accuracy," Brandt said. "I'm amazed at his accuracy whether it be 10 yards down field or 20 yards down field or more. He's got arm strength."--Gil Brandt, Deseret News
Any niner fan quoting Gil Brandt needs a head check. Gil Brandt thought Alex was utterly impressive out of college.
Head still there. Thanks. And even if he was a Cowboy, he's a highly respected evaluator of talent.
That is all.
Dec 15, 2010 at 9:17 AM
- GhostofFredDean74
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Originally posted by ninertico:Originally posted by binary2nd:Originally posted by ninertico:Originally posted by skeetskeet:Originally posted by Dshearn:
there is no direct correlation between high wonderlic and nfl success.
its only used when looking at the total package.
the guy could study for it like past auburn guys have , I went from 32 to 46 by the, adas
theres also no direct correlation between a high wonderlic and being able to finish sentences and properly post on an internet forum
It don't matter man! He's accurate!!!!
""He has excellent accuracy," Brandt said. "I'm amazed at his accuracy whether it be 10 yards down field or 20 yards down field or more. He's got arm strength."--Gil Brandt, Deseret News
Any niner fan quoting Gil Brandt needs a head check. Gil Brandt thought Alex was utterly impressive out of college.
Head still there. Thanks. And even if he was a Cowboy, he's a highly respected evaluator of talent.
That is all.
Even Walsh missed on a few evaluations. I wouldn't knock Brandt because of his assessment of Alex Smith....his body of work speaks for itself.
Dec 15, 2010 at 11:32 AM
- Thorhawk
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Dec 17, 2010 at 12:41 AM
- ninersrule4
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I would take Cam. I think he can be a great qb if he is dedicated and with consistent good coaching. If we land harbough I would rather enjoy a newton
Dec 17, 2010 at 5:17 AM
- miked1978
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I think I'm starting to change my mind on Cam. With the right coaching, I think he could become a good NFL QB. I think it would be benificial for him to come in and not have to worry about starting from day 1. His mechanics need working no doubt.
Dec 17, 2010 at 11:28 AM
- SJniner7
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Does he have JaMarcus/VY potential? With all of the off-field issues, I am not so sure about him. If we get a great offensive HC and good OC, it would be nice to let him sit a year or two...
Dec 17, 2010 at 12:04 PM
- GhostofFredDean74
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Originally posted by miked1978:
I think I'm starting to change my mind on Cam. With the right coaching, I think he could become a good NFL QB. I think it would be benificial for him to come in and not have to worry about starting from day 1. His mechanics need working no doubt.
Like many college QBs, he needs to improve his footwork (can be lazy at times), but there's really nothing wrong with his throwing mechanics. At least nothing a good pro QB coach couldn't easily fix, but there's no major mechanical flaws in his delivery.
However, you can see that he naturally has solid footwork already:
~The throw at 2:16 is text book (footwork and delivery), not to mention a BIG-TIME throw with the game on the line
~Then at 3:16, he scrambled away from pressure to his left, keeps his eyes downfield and calmly tosses a pass to his TE for the go-ahead TD
The ability (as needed) to throw a bullet to the sidelines and a touch-pass on a scoring drive to give your team the lead, is what pro-scouts look for in big-time QBs. This kid has that natural ability....it's actually scary how good he could be, if you surround him with the right coach, personnel and scheme.
Dec 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM
- ninerlifer
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Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:Originally posted by miked1978:
I think I'm starting to change my mind on Cam. With the right coaching, I think he could become a good NFL QB. I think it would be benificial for him to come in and not have to worry about starting from day 1. His mechanics need working no doubt.
Like many college QBs, he needs to improve his footwork (can be lazy at times), but there's really nothing wrong with his throwing mechanics. At least nothing a good pro QB coach couldn't easily fix, but there's no major mechanical flaws in his delivery.
However, you can see that he naturally has solid footwork already:
~The throw at 2:16 is text book (footwork and delivery), not to mention a BIG-TIME throw with the game on the line
~Then at 3:16, he scrambled away from pressure to his left, keeps his eyes downfield and calmly tosses a pass to his TE for the go-ahead TD
The ability (as needed) to throw a bullet to the sidelines and a touch-pass on a scoring drive to give your team the lead, is what pro-scouts look for in big-time QBs. This kid has that natural ability....it's actually scary how good he could be, if you surround him with the right coach, personnel and scheme.
I became sold on Cam with that 4th and 3 call. That throw was simply amazing, threw it on the short side of the field, had to put it in one spot with juice on it. It was a money throw on 4th down, with the game, and title hopes on the line.
Dec 17, 2010 at 3:12 PM
- hondakillerzx
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im down! Draft Cam since we wont be in position to get Luck. passing on this guy if hes still there would be a huge mistake. he's got a wheels, improv skills, great accuracy and a cannon for an arm. and the attitude weve been lacking on this team for a long time.
Dec 17, 2010 at 3:44 PM
- RDB4216
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Originally posted by titan:Originally posted by Quitugua:Originally posted by susweel:
Good college QB, dont think his game would work in the NFL.
Well he kinda reminds me of Vince Young when he was the QB at Texas. & they're were those that doubted that he (Vince Young) could play in the NFL, yet we still believe in Alex Smith & Matt Leinart....Kinda funny how we have our very own set of opinions, especially when we have a QB that actually doesn't know how to be a QB in the NFL...
Young sucks! Without Johnson in the backfield he would be garbage. It's not opinions what other members are giving you, I think fans are pretty knowlegable and they are just sharing experience. QB's like him don't have a lot of success in th NFL! They may beef up their highlights and stats, but they don't win the big one.
Look at the Titans' win/loss record the last couple of years with Young in the lineup vs. without him. See that difference, then come back and say what Young does has anything to do with having Johnson there. They started 0-5 last year with Johnson in and Young on the bench. They've lost 4 or 5 in a row now...with Johnson in, and Young out injured.
Dec 17, 2010 at 6:50 PM
- Jcool
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Originally posted by RDB4216:Originally posted by titan:Originally posted by Quitugua:Originally posted by susweel:
Good college QB, dont think his game would work in the NFL.
Well he kinda reminds me of Vince Young when he was the QB at Texas. & they're were those that doubted that he (Vince Young) could play in the NFL, yet we still believe in Alex Smith & Matt Leinart....Kinda funny how we have our very own set of opinions, especially when we have a QB that actually doesn't know how to be a QB in the NFL...
Young sucks! Without Johnson in the backfield he would be garbage. It's not opinions what other members are giving you, I think fans are pretty knowlegable and they are just sharing experience. QB's like him don't have a lot of success in th NFL! They may beef up their highlights and stats, but they don't win the big one.
Look at the Titans' win/loss record the last couple of years with Young in the lineup vs. without him. See that difference, then come back and say what Young does has anything to do with having Johnson there. They started 0-5 last year with Johnson in and Young on the bench. They've lost 4 or 5 in a row now...with Johnson in, and Young out injured.
I think most smart fans would say Young has the talent to play in the pros, the problem is he cant handle adversity well. Plus it is easy for the people who just look at his stats to say this guy sucks. They forget he plays in a run first system that only asks him not to lose games. If he played in a more creative offensive system he would be putting up pretty good numbers. So for everyone clamoring for Jeff Fisher as our next coach, he doesn't value QB's so if he is our coach we wont be drafting a QB early in the draft.