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Next years draft, more O-linemen?

They havent moved Baas. They're trying him out at C to see if he gives us depth. He hasnt played C since college. And ILB you wsnt to replace Spikes.....his name is Navarro Bowman
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
Originally posted by English:
Center and Nose Tackle would seem to be needs in time and both positions take time to develop.

since Baas has moved over to center that is no longer a need.

1) NT
2) CB
3) ILB (Spikes cant play forever)

Moving over to center in May is one thing. Playing in November is rather different. Neither Baas nor Wallace have proved anything at center in the NFL yet. Wragge has been used as backup to date which may indicate something.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by Nuns:
Originally posted by English:
Center and Nose Tackle would seem to be needs in time and both positions take time to develop.

And a pass rush specialist.

I think we are developing a few pass rush specialist. I say this because they simply ignored that position the past two years. I also think McDonald, Haralson, & Brooks are the players that will fill that void on the team. McDonald is highly underated and has had to deal with injuries but I think he will be a pleasant surprise this year.

McDonald isn't a rush linebacker though and Lawson is a free agent. That means we could be left with Haralson and Brooks and both of those guys haven't proven to be starting material just yet.

Rush LB could be a real need going into next year. I don't get why everybody wants a NT. It's Franklyn's job. Get a deal done.

It's Franklin's job but he has been franchised. And I am not sure about the depth behind him. Hence, the need.

Regarding center, neither Baas nor Wragge are any more than depth at this position, IMO. It takes about 2 years to develop a good c so next year looks about the time to get one.

Pass rush? Brooks.

Like I said get a deal done for Franklyn. Him and Davis have to be extended at some point during the year.

Brooks is Parys Haralson last year and Brandon Moore a couple a years ago. Let's see what he does from start of season to end of season.

As for the line. We don't have to spend a high pick on every lineman. You can find interior lineman thru a variety of means.

Re Franklin, where is the depth? If we sign him long term, injury can still strike.

Re center, I an not suggesting a high pick. A 3rd to a 5th, depending on the depth. But we will be needing a center in due course and next year's draft seems about the right time.

If we invest "x" amount of dollars in Franklyn we're not going to burn a high pick on a nose tackle to back him up.

I'm not really concerned about how we use those mid to late round picks.

Why not? It is a key position, and if we have to franchise Franklin to keep him, maybe we should be working on his replacement. And he he goes down injured, his wages won't impact on our need.
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
Originally posted by English:
Center and Nose Tackle would seem to be needs in time and both positions take time to develop.

since Baas has moved over to center that is no longer a need.

1) NT
2) CB
3) ILB (Spikes cant play forever)

I only see NT as a need.. We're loaded at CB and ILB via overdrafting..I guess we gotta find Franklin replacement next year
Were loaded at a lot of positions except NT.. I think we'll have to see if guys like LaBoy, Bowman,Culcrick, Balmer, etc. before we project a need/s...But NT is and has been a definite need 2 yrs. running..
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Sure more O-lineman just not in the 1st or 2nd. Wallace, Baas, Wragge, Snyder and most likely Sims probably won't be here, so I think its fair to say O-line will be a need next year. Personally, I hope we continue to find another NT that could rotate and possibly take over for Franklin, I don't see anyone worthy or capable on the roster right now. I'd also like to see CB in the 1st or 2nd round, unless Karl Paymah or Will James happen to step up, but I won't hold my breath.

Brandon Harris, Patrick Peterson and Aaron Williams are the CB's I hope are there when we pick. NT's, right now I can't really think of some except for maybe Jerrell Powe, I heard he compares to Vince Wilfork, can anyone back that up??
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by Nuns:
Originally posted by English:
Center and Nose Tackle would seem to be needs in time and both positions take time to develop.

And a pass rush specialist.

I think we are developing a few pass rush specialist. I say this because they simply ignored that position the past two years. I also think McDonald, Haralson, & Brooks are the players that will fill that void on the team. McDonald is highly underated and has had to deal with injuries but I think he will be a pleasant surprise this year.

McDonald isn't a rush linebacker though and Lawson is a free agent. That means we could be left with Haralson and Brooks and both of those guys haven't proven to be starting material just yet.

Rush LB could be a real need going into next year. I don't get why everybody wants a NT. It's Franklyn's job. Get a deal done.

It's Franklin's job but he has been franchised. And I am not sure about the depth behind him. Hence, the need.

Regarding center, neither Baas nor Wragge are any more than depth at this position, IMO. It takes about 2 years to develop a good c so next year looks about the time to get one.

Pass rush? Brooks.

Like I said get a deal done for Franklyn. Him and Davis have to be extended at some point during the year.

Brooks is Parys Haralson last year and Brandon Moore a couple a years ago. Let's see what he does from start of season to end of season.

As for the line. We don't have to spend a high pick on every lineman. You can find interior lineman thru a variety of means.

Re Franklin, where is the depth? If we sign him long term, injury can still strike.

Re center, I an not suggesting a high pick. A 3rd to a 5th, depending on the depth. But we will be needing a center in due course and next year's draft seems about the right time.

If we invest "x" amount of dollars in Franklyn we're not going to burn a high pick on a nose tackle to back him up.

I'm not really concerned about how we use those mid to late round picks.

Why not? It is a key position, and if we have to franchise Franklin to keep him, maybe we should be working on his replacement. And he he goes down injured, his wages won't impact on our need.

Why can't we give him a new contract? It seems to me that would make the most sense. There's certain positions you don't get rid of if you have a top tier guy, and nose tackle is not an easy position to fill.

Here's my FA priority list. Davis, Franklyn, Goldson, Lawson. Alex Smith is the wild card. He could be number 1 but probally will be last on the list. 3/5 should get resigned.
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
Originally posted by English:
Center and Nose Tackle would seem to be needs in time and both positions take time to develop.

since Baas has moved over to center that is no longer a need.

1) NT
2) CB
3) ILB (Spikes cant play forever)

We drafted Navarro Bowman this year
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by Nuns:
Originally posted by English:
Center and Nose Tackle would seem to be needs in time and both positions take time to develop.

And a pass rush specialist.

I think we are developing a few pass rush specialist. I say this because they simply ignored that position the past two years. I also think McDonald, Haralson, & Brooks are the players that will fill that void on the team. McDonald is highly underated and has had to deal with injuries but I think he will be a pleasant surprise this year.

McDonald isn't a rush linebacker though and Lawson is a free agent. That means we could be left with Haralson and Brooks and both of those guys haven't proven to be starting material just yet.

Rush LB could be a real need going into next year. I don't get why everybody wants a NT. It's Franklyn's job. Get a deal done.

It's Franklin's job but he has been franchised. And I am not sure about the depth behind him. Hence, the need.

Regarding center, neither Baas nor Wragge are any more than depth at this position, IMO. It takes about 2 years to develop a good c so next year looks about the time to get one.

Pass rush? Brooks.

Like I said get a deal done for Franklyn. Him and Davis have to be extended at some point during the year.

Brooks is Parys Haralson last year and Brandon Moore a couple a years ago. Let's see what he does from start of season to end of season.

As for the line. We don't have to spend a high pick on every lineman. You can find interior lineman thru a variety of means.

Re Franklin, where is the depth? If we sign him long term, injury can still strike.

Re center, I an not suggesting a high pick. A 3rd to a 5th, depending on the depth. But we will be needing a center in due course and next year's draft seems about the right time.

If we invest "x" amount of dollars in Franklyn we're not going to burn a high pick on a nose tackle to back him up.

I'm not really concerned about how we use those mid to late round picks.

Why not? It is a key position, and if we have to franchise Franklin to keep him, maybe we should be working on his replacement. And he he goes down injured, his wages won't impact on our need.

Why can't we give him a new contract? It seems to me that would make the most sense. There's certain positions you don't get rid of if you have a top tier guy, and nose tackle is not an easy position to fill.

Here's my FA priority list. Davis, Franklyn, Goldson, Lawson. Alex Smith is the wild card. He could be number 1 but probally will be last on the list. 3/5 should get resigned.

Franklin having one good year doesn't' make him a top tier NT. He does it again then he's in the extension line up imo. He had a good year last year but before that he was underwhelming. I think the team is suspect of that and will wait to see if he performs to that level again. You just can't break guys off over one good season. And still if given an extension they need a quality back up and must draft one.
I would suspect that we would be looking for Heitmann's heir apparent. Other than that, it seems we have some quality depth behind our young OL. I wouldn't mind seeing Pouncey, but I feel that the CB class is going to be scary good in the first round to the point that one will drop into the twenties and into the second so I would expect us to target our need at CB with our first next year. Just these four makes me drool all at 6'1" at least:
Patrick Peterson
Aaron Williams
Prince Amukamara
Ras-I Dowling

Then I can see a pass rusher or NT in the second. We need that NT and CB badly IMO because we do have some depth at pass rusher and center as opposed to the other two position where depth is a huge question mark. I would suspect that NT is probably the one position where depth is seriously lacking. Look for Phil Taylor from Baylor at 355, Singletary's Alma Mater. I also like Powe from Ol Miss, too.

We need another fatty alright...just on the other side of the ball.
While I personally like Mr. Smith, I think we will be drafting a QB in the 1st next year.
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by Nuns:
Originally posted by English:
Center and Nose Tackle would seem to be needs in time and both positions take time to develop.

And a pass rush specialist.

I think we are developing a few pass rush specialist. I say this because they simply ignored that position the past two years. I also think McDonald, Haralson, & Brooks are the players that will fill that void on the team. McDonald is highly underated and has had to deal with injuries but I think he will be a pleasant surprise this year.

McDonald isn't a rush linebacker though and Lawson is a free agent. That means we could be left with Haralson and Brooks and both of those guys haven't proven to be starting material just yet.

Rush LB could be a real need going into next year. I don't get why everybody wants a NT. It's Franklyn's job. Get a deal done.

It's Franklin's job but he has been franchised. And I am not sure about the depth behind him. Hence, the need.

Regarding center, neither Baas nor Wragge are any more than depth at this position, IMO. It takes about 2 years to develop a good c so next year looks about the time to get one.

Pass rush? Brooks.

Like I said get a deal done for Franklyn. Him and Davis have to be extended at some point during the year.

Brooks is Parys Haralson last year and Brandon Moore a couple a years ago. Let's see what he does from start of season to end of season.

As for the line. We don't have to spend a high pick on every lineman. You can find interior lineman thru a variety of means.

Re Franklin, where is the depth? If we sign him long term, injury can still strike.

Re center, I an not suggesting a high pick. A 3rd to a 5th, depending on the depth. But we will be needing a center in due course and next year's draft seems about the right time.

If we invest "x" amount of dollars in Franklyn we're not going to burn a high pick on a nose tackle to back him up.

I'm not really concerned about how we use those mid to late round picks.

Why not? It is a key position, and if we have to franchise Franklin to keep him, maybe we should be working on his replacement. And he he goes down injured, his wages won't impact on our need.

Why can't we give him a new contract? It seems to me that would make the most sense. There's certain positions you don't get rid of if you have a top tier guy, and nose tackle is not an easy position to fill.

Here's my FA priority list. Davis, Franklyn, Goldson, Lawson. Alex Smith is the wild card. He could be number 1 but probally will be last on the list. 3/5 should get resigned.

Franklin having one good year doesn't' make him a top tier NT. He does it again then he's in the extension line up imo. He had a good year last year but before that he was underwhelming. I think the team is suspect of that and will wait to see if he performs to that level again. You just can't break guys off over one good season. And still if given an extension they need a quality back up and must draft one.

I agree with the first part but not on the 2nd. I was working under the assumption that the extension comes midseason and that he continues to play at last seasons level. Too many needs elsewhere to spend a high pick on a backup player. Personally if we resign Franlyn I'm looking for a Kelly Gregg to fill the backup role. Hell Franklyn was an unheard of backup before he came here. There's 2 ways we can go about this. Your way and draft somebody or we can find somebody else's developmental nose tackle and sign him.
[ Edited by tjd808185 on May 24, 2010 at 12:13 PM ]
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Originally posted by WINiner:
While I personally like Mr. Smith, I think we will be drafting a QB in the 1st next year.

Well if Mr. Smith does good say a 3,300 pass yards 20 TD 11 INT's, I really doubt we take a QB in the 1st or 2nd round. Although next year is the year to pick up a QB. All I know is I hope we don't end up having a Derek Anderson situation, that would suck and set us back. And David Carr is not the answer either not by a long shot, I heard his passes are just as bad as Shaun Hill's.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by Nuns:
Originally posted by English:
Center and Nose Tackle would seem to be needs in time and both positions take time to develop.

And a pass rush specialist.

I think we are developing a few pass rush specialist. I say this because they simply ignored that position the past two years. I also think McDonald, Haralson, & Brooks are the players that will fill that void on the team. McDonald is highly underated and has had to deal with injuries but I think he will be a pleasant surprise this year.

McDonald isn't a rush linebacker though and Lawson is a free agent. That means we could be left with Haralson and Brooks and both of those guys haven't proven to be starting material just yet.

Rush LB could be a real need going into next year. I don't get why everybody wants a NT. It's Franklyn's job. Get a deal done.

It's Franklin's job but he has been franchised. And I am not sure about the depth behind him. Hence, the need.

Regarding center, neither Baas nor Wragge are any more than depth at this position, IMO. It takes about 2 years to develop a good c so next year looks about the time to get one.

Pass rush? Brooks.

Like I said get a deal done for Franklyn. Him and Davis have to be extended at some point during the year.

Brooks is Parys Haralson last year and Brandon Moore a couple a years ago. Let's see what he does from start of season to end of season.

As for the line. We don't have to spend a high pick on every lineman. You can find interior lineman thru a variety of means.

Re Franklin, where is the depth? If we sign him long term, injury can still strike.

Re center, I an not suggesting a high pick. A 3rd to a 5th, depending on the depth. But we will be needing a center in due course and next year's draft seems about the right time.

If we invest "x" amount of dollars in Franklyn we're not going to burn a high pick on a nose tackle to back him up.

I'm not really concerned about how we use those mid to late round picks.

Why not? It is a key position, and if we have to franchise Franklin to keep him, maybe we should be working on his replacement. And he he goes down injured, his wages won't impact on our need.

Why can't we give him a new contract? It seems to me that would make the most sense. There's certain positions you don't get rid of if you have a top tier guy, and nose tackle is not an easy position to fill.

Here's my FA priority list. Davis, Franklyn, Goldson, Lawson. Alex Smith is the wild card. He could be number 1 but probally will be last on the list. 3/5 should get resigned.

Franklin having one good year doesn't' make him a top tier NT. He does it again then he's in the extension line up imo. He had a good year last year but before that he was underwhelming. I think the team is suspect of that and will wait to see if he performs to that level again. You just can't break guys off over one good season. And still if given an extension they need a quality back up and must draft one.

I agree with the first part but not on the 2nd. I was working under the assumption that the extension comes midseason and that he continues to play at last seasons level. Too many needs elsewhere to spend a high pick on a backup player. Personally if we resign Franlyn I'm looking for a Kelly Gregg to fill the backup role. Hell Franklyn was an unheard of backup before he came here. There's 2 ways we can go about this. Your way and draft somebody or we can find somebody else's developmental nose tackle and sign him.

What part don't you agree with? Are you saying you thought Franklin's play has been on this level or even above average his whole time with the Niners? i think if Franklin had been playing this way his entire tenure at SF then i would be all for giving him an extension and I think the team would've been willing to do so also by now. I'm not advocating a high pick for a NT, and I wouldn't mind a Kelly Gregg type of player in as a back up at all. But we will have to see how this season plays out b/c other unforeseen needs could open up. But as of right now if Franklin goes down the defense is screwed.
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by Nuns:
Originally posted by English:
Center and Nose Tackle would seem to be needs in time and both positions take time to develop.

And a pass rush specialist.

I think we are developing a few pass rush specialist. I say this because they simply ignored that position the past two years. I also think McDonald, Haralson, & Brooks are the players that will fill that void on the team. McDonald is highly underated and has had to deal with injuries but I think he will be a pleasant surprise this year.

McDonald isn't a rush linebacker though and Lawson is a free agent. That means we could be left with Haralson and Brooks and both of those guys haven't proven to be starting material just yet.

Rush LB could be a real need going into next year. I don't get why everybody wants a NT. It's Franklyn's job. Get a deal done.

It's Franklin's job but he has been franchised. And I am not sure about the depth behind him. Hence, the need.

Regarding center, neither Baas nor Wragge are any more than depth at this position, IMO. It takes about 2 years to develop a good c so next year looks about the time to get one.

Pass rush? Brooks.

Like I said get a deal done for Franklyn. Him and Davis have to be extended at some point during the year.

Brooks is Parys Haralson last year and Brandon Moore a couple a years ago. Let's see what he does from start of season to end of season.

As for the line. We don't have to spend a high pick on every lineman. You can find interior lineman thru a variety of means.

Re Franklin, where is the depth? If we sign him long term, injury can still strike.

Re center, I an not suggesting a high pick. A 3rd to a 5th, depending on the depth. But we will be needing a center in due course and next year's draft seems about the right time.

If we invest "x" amount of dollars in Franklyn we're not going to burn a high pick on a nose tackle to back him up.

I'm not really concerned about how we use those mid to late round picks.

Why not? It is a key position, and if we have to franchise Franklin to keep him, maybe we should be working on his replacement. And he he goes down injured, his wages won't impact on our need.

Why can't we give him a new contract? It seems to me that would make the most sense. There's certain positions you don't get rid of if you have a top tier guy, and nose tackle is not an easy position to fill.

Here's my FA priority list. Davis, Franklyn, Goldson, Lawson. Alex Smith is the wild card. He could be number 1 but probally will be last on the list. 3/5 should get resigned.

Franklin having one good year doesn't' make him a top tier NT. He does it again then he's in the extension line up imo. He had a good year last year but before that he was underwhelming. I think the team is suspect of that and will wait to see if he performs to that level again. You just can't break guys off over one good season. And still if given an extension they need a quality back up and must draft one.

I agree with the first part but not on the 2nd. I was working under the assumption that the extension comes midseason and that he continues to play at last seasons level. Too many needs elsewhere to spend a high pick on a backup player. Personally if we resign Franlyn I'm looking for a Kelly Gregg to fill the backup role. Hell Franklyn was an unheard of backup before he came here. There's 2 ways we can go about this. Your way and draft somebody or we can find somebody else's developmental nose tackle and sign him.

What part don't you agree with? Are you saying you thought Franklin's play has been on this level or even above average his whole time with the Niners? i think if Franklin had been playing this way his entire tenure at SF then i would be all for giving him an extension and I think the team would've been willing to do so also by now. I'm not advocating a high pick for a NT, and I wouldn't mind a Kelly Gregg type of player in as a back up at all. But we will have to see how this season plays out b/c other unforeseen needs could open up. But as of right now if Franklin goes down the defense is screwed.

I agree with your assestment on Franklyn I just don't think we have to use a draft pick on a nose tackle. There's plenty of developmental tackles that we could seek out next year to be Franklyn's backup assuming he earns an extension. Now if he takes a step back or walks that's entirely different story and nose tackle becomes an immediate priority.

If Franklyn plays the way he did last year he's a must sign along with Vernon.