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******* 49ers Draft Grade so far (Vote) *******

******* 49ers Draft Grade so far (Vote) *******

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
B is the best I can give this draft.

I love the first day. If not the exact picks I would have made (like I know more than NFL scouts), we firmly addressed our biggest need and did so with great players that seem to fit our system.

However, we basically gave away a 4th rounder for no reason, and we could desperately use that pick right now. Guys like Cam Thomas and Ricky Sapp are still on the board and we sure could use them after our head scratching picks in the second and third.

Taylor Mays makes no sense whatsoever. Yes, he's a great "value" and a fantastic athlete, but the last thing our secondary needs is another DB who can't cover. Great, he can hit and run fast and jump high. Doesn't mean jack when teams can throw over the top on us all day long.

Similarly Bowman is a great pick in terms of value and being an athlete. And if we ran a 4-3 and the best player on our team wasn't an ILB, then MAYBE it makes some sense. But the last position in the world we need to focus on is a backup TED. Spikes is fine for now, McKillop isn't bad, and that position could be filled via FA or later rounds.

CB, a S who can actually cover, NT, pass rusher, these are all MUCH greater needs, or even an explosive player on offense to take some of the pressure off Gore. We passed over plenty of great talent across the board to take gambles on players with issues who don't fit our needs or our system.

Don't get it. Not at all. And now we don't pick again until the 6th round. Even though I like the Ginn trade, the combo of it and losing that 4th rounder means we are missing out on some great values now and have very little chance of getting back into the game.

The inexperience at GM really shows. I love that we finally addressed our Oline, but other than that, we have really made some head scratching moves.
Ditto. We have essentially hamstrung ourselves if we end up losing Franklin and/or Clements and we have nothing in place (unless we rapidly develop Davis) should Alex fail. We also have essentially admitted that Coffee was a wasted 3rd rd. pick last year with the Dixon pick as well as prioritized WR/returner and TE depth over DT and CB depth. Weird. If they make the team, awesome--I hope they do and prove me wrong.
still no speed at the offense, neither at WR (kyle williams is too small actually and ted ginn isnt a reliable WR) nor at RB. at least we improved our o-line and we got a blocking TE...no covering SS, no real good CB and i dont know if the niners can pass-rush consistently against the better teams. thus once again we could get big problems at defending the pass...very lethal in a pass-happy league.
After its all said and done, here's my homerish grades:

Davis: A
Our biggest need and we want at it aggressively. Too aggressively? Maybe, thats why it gets knocked down a little, but I can't complain.

Iupati: A+
Finally did away with archaic valuation of OG's and took the best player at the position.

Mays: B
A need position, to replace MLewis. Mays has some questions but I think he'll be good.

Bowman: B-
Looks like a good player, not sure how we intend to use him. But I like the kid and hope he can add something. A C+ gets bumped up to a B- because of the trade back which netted us some extra picks.

Ginn: B+
A need position, an established player who comes pretty cheap. Needs to work on his fumbles but provides dynamic speed and return ability. Also, love the aggressiveness shown by the front office at addressing this need.

Dixon, Byham: B+
I love what these picks say about our philosophy. We're building a coherent team with a vision and these guys should help that.

Williams: B
Maybe a slot receiver at some point, and hopefully a guy who can alleviate our concerns with Ginn's PR fumbling by taking over the job from him. Definitely adds some depth at the returner position, one of our achilles heels last year.

Adams: n/a
Don't know enough about him. Seems like a camp fodder, practice squad pick, so it is what it is.

Overall: A-

Time will tell. But I think this draft showed a lot of common sense in how we filled needs, and a coherence in how this team is being built. While we're not as aggressive as the Jets or Seahawks have been this offseason, we have haven't taken too many crazy risks, either. I like Baalke's balls and his brain.
B +
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
I gave it an F, too many reaches, not enough immediate help for a team that THINKS it can make the play offs. This is a coach killing draft. We filled needs at O-line that we could have filled through free agency with guys who MIGHT be ready. We appear to have loaded up with talent to run the most boring Singletary run run punt offense ever, great more predictable play calling coming soon! Bad draft bad direction bad coaching bad ownership, the only thing this team has going for it is us die hard fans!

We filled the needs Mel Kiper and all the media whores said we should! That spells trouble.

We still lack speed on both sides of the ball at way too many positions!
We still lack a RB that spreads the defense
We still lack a speed Wide out Ted Ginn really is a kick returner, thats all.
We are still one D-linemen short of having 3 starter for our 3-4
We still lack a pure pass rush OLB
We still lack a speed CB
But we have to frickin awesome prospects at O-line!

Hope I am way wrong, even if I am not I will still root for my beloved Niners!

lol
Originally posted by susweel:
B +

Wow, this must be susweel's highest grade given to the niners. Most positive post from him too. LOL
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I'd give it a B so far.

An A for the first day, if you include the Thursday draft and pre-draft trade for Ginn.

A C- for today. Mays is not the coverage safety we need, and we drafted another LB without a position. Not impressed with today's efforts, except for acquiring an additional 6th rounder this year and a 4th rounder next year.

The team could have made a move and given up their second and third rounder to jump up and draft Nate Allen, who would have anchored our back end for 6-8 years. To emerge with three solid starters and some role players in the final two rounds is better than two solid picks in the first, a guy who may need to convert to LB not long into the NFL in Mays, and a 4-3 backer (at 6' 1/2", who cannot rush the passer, and who has character issues) in Bowman.

We already have a guy who can hit, in Goldson. We need someone who can cover. From all reports during the Senior Bowl week, Mays greatly struggled being able to cover anyone, looked stiff on the field, and did not react well to practice or game situations. He's a pretty guy who runs fast in a straight line and hits hard, but is not a good football player.

All of this being said, just as I criticized the selections of Cody Wallace, Chilo Rachal, Kentwan Balmer, Jason Hill and Glenn Coffee, I cheer for each of these guys to be terrific players that match the value of the pick. I sincerely hope I am wrong about Mays, and that he becomes a superb player in the NFL. At the same time, I have to be honest with my assessment.

I agree. Nate Allen, Sean Lee, even Terrance Cody for value. One more great pick would have made this draft, and ditching the 4th rounder to move up smelled like panic. Don't like Mays and his lack of quickness and failure to adjust, and not sure of Bowman honestly, but I would have traded both those picks for a blue chip.
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Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
I gave it an F, too many reaches, not enough immediate help for a team that THINKS it can make the play offs. This is a coach killing draft. We filled needs at O-line that we could have filled through free agency with guys who MIGHT be ready. We appear to have loaded up with talent to run the most boring Singletary run run punt offense ever, great more predictable play calling coming soon! Bad draft bad direction bad coaching bad ownership, the only thing this team has going for it is us die hard fans!

We filled the needs Mel Kiper and all the media whores said we should! That spells trouble.

We still lack speed on both sides of the ball at way too many positions!
We still lack a RB that spreads the defense
We still lack a speed Wide out Ted Ginn really is a kick returner, thats all.
We are still one D-linemen short of having 3 starter for our 3-4
We still lack a pure pass rush OLB
We still lack a speed CB
But we have to frickin awesome prospects at O-line!

Hope I am way wrong, even if I am not I will still root for my beloved Niners!

Ya its just to bad there isn't 15 rounds in the draft
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Originally posted by BrianGO:
Every player we selected, might have the highest ceiling in the draft at their respective positions.

At worst, both our first rounders will be good, at best, they can both easily be All-Pro's, and maybe even better. I simply can't imagine how Iupati will not end up an All-Pro guard.

With Mays and Bowman, we swung for the fences again for players with a high ceiling; although they also have a low floor.
Chances are, one of them busts and one is a home run. I like that kind of strategy for us. We are not as desperate for "safe" picks at OLB/LB or DB as some seem to think.
At worst, they could both be complete busts, at best they could be very good or even All-Pro's.

There is a good chance we end up with 3 "home runs" from the first 2 days of this draft. What more could you ask for?

Why does Mays have a high ceiling? He is too stiff to cover anyone. You can't learn how to have hip flex. You either have it or you don't. The only ceiling I see with Mays is if you convert him to a 4-3 linebacker and give him 2 years to add bulk and develop. He's a late 3rd rounder at best.
B-

first guy we picked is lasy boom or bust
2nd guy real deal
third guy is the Real boom or bust of this whole draft either you get Lott or that dude the Cowgirls cut cuz the couldn't cover worth a s**t !
OLB come on down we have 7 of these
RB we dont need we have Coffee unless this kid is way better than coffee.
TE , WR KR/PR , CB not going to stick on the team except on practice squad the only one mybe WR cuz of kr/pr.
Originally posted by northshore:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
I gave it an F, too many reaches, not enough immediate help for a team that THINKS it can make the play offs. This is a coach killing draft. We filled needs at O-line that we could have filled through free agency with guys who MIGHT be ready. We appear to have loaded up with talent to run the most boring Singletary run run punt offense ever, great more predictable play calling coming soon! Bad draft bad direction bad coaching bad ownership, the only thing this team has going for it is us die hard fans!

We filled the needs Mel Kiper and all the media whores said we should! That spells trouble.

We still lack speed on both sides of the ball at way too many positions!
We still lack a RB that spreads the defense
We still lack a speed Wide out Ted Ginn really is a kick returner, thats all.
We are still one D-linemen short of having 3 starter for our 3-4
We still lack a pure pass rush OLB
We still lack a speed CB
But we have to frickin awesome prospects at O-line!

Hope I am way wrong, even if I am not I will still root for my beloved Niners!

I hate idiots likeyou....I really do

I hate when people respond to opposing points of view with personal insults.
Niners draft grade is a B for me. If i did not see davis play so much at Rutgers, it might be higher. Hope Sing keeps him focused ,he appears like great kid, but takes too many plays off for my good at his size. Weight has been a challenge for him. I cringed when Niners traded up to get him. Iupati however, is an amazing beast of a man and player. That definitely brings the grade up.I would have liked a CB in 3rd, but.... overall ok, not great draft imo. I thought the Seahawks had a great top of the draft.
I give it a B. I like our first round but i'm worried about a safety that hasn't shown he can cover or wrap up to tackle and a LB that doesn't seem to fit our defensive scheme. Also I would have liked an explosive receiver such as a Golden Tate type and it would have been nice to get a corner with speed. With that said, I still think our team can do some serious damage with a line that can open holes so this draft definitely improves our team.
I give it a B overall, glad we may actually field a profesional 0-line this year. I hope Mays uses that chip on his shoulder to develope into a really good pick for us. (I mean he was pretty good in coverage during the 2008 season, Not really sure what happened in 09) I Think Bowman may be in the wrong system. hopefully i'm mistaken. I love the Ginn move The rest could go either way. they may make the team but likely will be on the P.S.
I have been notoriously harsh of our O-line over the past 2 years. That being said, I am more then happy with our first and 2nd round. I love the 2 big boys to put up front as if we can secure them and our other linemen to long term deals we will have a group that can play together for 5+ years which is a huge asset to our team. It was great planning and picking on our part there. Now onto Taylor Mays, universally hated on this board, I will re-state my position that this kid will be a player for us. With the packages that we run and the way we line things up, this kid at SS will be a very solid pick for us. The Db's coaches obviously will have to coach up his technique but his desire and physical abilites make the sky the limit for this kid. Also I think his "lack of coverage skills" is so grossly overstated by casual fans that it is near a witch hunt at this point. The kid wasnt asked to be a cover guy in college, they told him to play center field and take peoples heads off essentially. so in that sense his skills are extremely raw in terms of coverage and its techniques. The kid will be a great player for us, so just for those 3 picks alone I give them an A for this draft.
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