Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Seriously, what's with all the damn 'Joe Haden at #13' love throughout every mock draft on the web lately? I've seen endless tape on this guy (bowls/highlights/regular games) and I find his draft stock to be very misleading (within terms of delusional college-super-stardom over the realistic payoff in the NFL).
1. Haden was working with THE BEST D-LINE IN THE NATION (at Florida), so Joe barely had to worry about relying upon 'raw' instinctual coverage situations, and looked REALLY good because he had guys like Ahmad Black and Major Wright behind him, allowing Haden to harp upon (spread-out) positional advantages.
2. Guys built like Haden can only (really) find NFL success within stoic Tampa-2 based defenses (which we're not), where Joe would rarely play man coverage (based on how undersized Joe is realistically going to be compared to #1 WRs in the NFL).
Yes, Joe has NFL-ready potential (and playing in the SEC helps a lot), but no speed or fluidity (and I'm not even counting the misleading 40-time bs, this dude just has a low-motor). -Now I'm not bringing hate on this guy, but I'm just saying he isn't worth more than a mid-20 pick, taking him at the #13 spot sounds a little 'over the top'.
1- Florida's DL was def. a top 5 unit but debateable as to whether they were actually the best or not. The same argument that you are making about the talent around him can be used against other top prospects but Haden play on the field speaks for itself. When you watch him play he actually shows why he is the consensus #1 CB in this class.
2- 5"10 6/8th's and 193 pounds is not really undersized. While he could stand to fill out his frame a little better, I have no doubts that will come in his first few years as a pro. He is only 21.
There are a lot of CB's who are under 6 feet tall and 200 pounds who have found success at the NFL level playing either man or zone coverage (Asante Samuel, Darell Revis, Leon Hall, Jonathan Joseph, Cortland Finnegan to name a few).
I honestly don't know what you were watching if you think he doesn't play fast, or fluid for that matter. He also showed good man coverage skills, good ball skills and the willingness to hit.Every analyst in the country pretty much has him as being one of the top 15 prospects in the country and that hasn't really changed, especially after proving at his pro day on a wet track that he is faster than the combine indicated.