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Clausen and Dez could both be available at #13 (Trade Options)

Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by lamontb:
It just makes no sense that Cleveland Buffalo and the Raiders would all pass on Clausen then trade so many picks to jump right back up to take him. Maybe if he fell to the 20's. They could've just drafted him in the 1st place and kept those picks to fill other needs.

Why would the Cards, or Cincy want to trade up for Dez Bryant? Why would the Eagles trade up for Derrick Morgan?

It makes sense with Oakland, since they have a more pressing need at OT. Oakland could end up landing a Franchise Left Tackle and a Franchise QB in the same draft.

Cleveland has the ammo to trade up -- filling the bigger need at #7 and then deciding they still want Clausen. Buffalo is more of a stretch.

Arizona needs another WR to replace Boldin, and Cincy needs a QB. Both teams are often mocked taking Dez at their pick -- but he won't fall that far.

But if you really want a Qb you take then and worry bout the OT later on not the other way around Especially with Buffalo right behind you. Samething for Cleveland if you want the guy you take him where you can get him. This would be more plausible if he fell into the 20's.

Arizona has Breaston and Doucet along with another guy I can't remember to replace Boldin. No way do they trade up for a WR. i don't see Jacksonville that has no WR's and no offensive and special teams play makers at all will pass on Spiller and Bryant

Not to mention the Jags have made it clear they would like to trade down, and that is no smokescreen. They have no 2nd round pick and could use help in quite a few areas.

JAX has stated Dez Bryant is off their draft board, and CJ Spiller would be a STUPID move with MJD already on the roster.

i read somewhere that the jags were regretting letting Taylor go and that they wanted to go back to the 2rb system, and spiller was mentioned as an option for the Jags
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by lamontb:
It just makes no sense that Cleveland Buffalo and the Raiders would all pass on Clausen then trade so many picks to jump right back up to take him. Maybe if he fell to the 20's. They could've just drafted him in the 1st place and kept those picks to fill other needs.

Why would the Cards, or Cincy want to trade up for Dez Bryant? Why would the Eagles trade up for Derrick Morgan?

It makes sense with Oakland, since they have a more pressing need at OT. Oakland could end up landing a Franchise Left Tackle and a Franchise QB in the same draft.

Cleveland has the ammo to trade up -- filling the bigger need at #7 and then deciding they still want Clausen. Buffalo is more of a stretch.

Arizona needs another WR to replace Boldin, and Cincy needs a QB. Both teams are often mocked taking Dez at their pick -- but he won't fall that far.

But if you really want a Qb you take then and worry bout the OT later on not the other way around Especially with Buffalo right behind you. Samething for Cleveland if you want the guy you take him where you can get him. This would be more plausible if he fell into the 20's.

Arizona has Breaston and Doucet along with another guy I can't remember to replace Boldin. No way do they trade up for a WR. i don't see Jacksonville that has no WR's and no offensive and special teams play makers at all will pass on Spiller and Bryant

Not to mention the Jags have made it clear they would like to trade down, and that is no smokescreen. They have no 2nd round pick and could use help in quite a few areas.

JAX has stated Dez Bryant is off their draft board, and CJ Spiller would be a STUPID move with MJD already on the roster.

i read somewhere that the jags were regretting letting Taylor go and that they wanted to go back to the 2rb system, and spiller was mentioned as an option for the Jags

I don't know if that would make sense -- going with TWO smaller backs; also, a LOT of Spiller's value is tied to his production as a return man -- so is MJD's. Better off trading down and going with Matthews if that's their concern. JAX ran for 127 YPG last year and 4.5 YPC with TWO rookie tackles, so it's their strong suite and they'll get better. But they can't generate a pass rush (worst in NFL) and have a shoddy secondary.
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Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by lamontb:
It just makes no sense that Cleveland Buffalo and the Raiders would all pass on Clausen then trade so many picks to jump right back up to take him. Maybe if he fell to the 20's. They could've just drafted him in the 1st place and kept those picks to fill other needs.

Why would the Cards, or Cincy want to trade up for Dez Bryant? Why would the Eagles trade up for Derrick Morgan?

I can see the Eagles trading up a few slots for Graham or JPP if they get past 16 but I don't think they look to move up too far, think they are looking to restock the shelves and continue to get younger.

I agree with passing on Clausen to trade back up that high, it's nonsensical. They go after him when he hits 20 ish. If Cleveland was planning on dumping off that much to grab a QB it would be a deal with St.Louis for Bradford. Buffalo needs 3 players at premium positions (QB, LT & 3-4 NT) so I doubt they sell their souls to jump up that high. And with Oakland bringing in Boller now it's pretty much a lock they won't draft any 1st round QB at this point.

The Cards and Bengals are not trading up for Bryant, Cincy just inked Antonio Bryant and the Cards have Breaston and a guy named Doucet who turned it on finally at season's end last year. I can see AZ taking a mid round WR but nothing early in all likelihood.

Originally posted by valrod33:
I dont think Cleveland goes with Haden especially after trading for sheldon brown

Correct sir, if they stand pat then it is Odrick or pass rusher if Berry is not there. Otherwise they could move down (possibly even up for Berry if they feel that strongly about him).

You may say its nonsensical, but Cleveland did exactly that in 2007. They traded up 14 spots to #22 in order to take Quinn. That's a 240 point gap on the trade value chart, and they send a future #1; if future picks are worth 50% of the current year, then they should have sent a future #2. They ended up spending 2.5x what they should have.

Now they can do that again, but this time it would be an even exchange.

In 2007 Phil Savage was the team's GM, In 2009 it's Tom Heckert and Mike Holmgren making the call, different regime. Passing on Quinn then was for a premium position, LT which was also a major need at the time.

If they are trading UP it's for Bradford, if they want Clausen they can take him at 7 and still use the 2nd rounder and 3 3rd rounders to fill other holes. Trading away that much to get a QB whom you just passed over a few picks earlier is nonsensical.
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Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by lamontb:
It just makes no sense that Cleveland Buffalo and the Raiders would all pass on Clausen then trade so many picks to jump right back up to take him. Maybe if he fell to the 20's. They could've just drafted him in the 1st place and kept those picks to fill other needs.

Why would the Cards, or Cincy want to trade up for Dez Bryant? Why would the Eagles trade up for Derrick Morgan?

It makes sense with Oakland, since they have a more pressing need at OT. Oakland could end up landing a Franchise Left Tackle and a Franchise QB in the same draft.

Cleveland has the ammo to trade up -- filling the bigger need at #7 and then deciding they still want Clausen. Buffalo is more of a stretch.

Arizona needs another WR to replace Boldin, and Cincy needs a QB. Both teams are often mocked taking Dez at their pick -- but he won't fall that far.

But if you really want a Qb you take then and worry bout the OT later on not the other way around Especially with Buffalo right behind you. Samething for Cleveland if you want the guy you take him where you can get him. This would be more plausible if he fell into the 20's.

Arizona has Breaston and Doucet along with another guy I can't remember to replace Boldin. No way do they trade up for a WR. i don't see Jacksonville that has no WR's and no offensive and special teams play makers at all will pass on Spiller and Bryant

Not to mention the Jags have made it clear they would like to trade down, and that is no smokescreen. They have no 2nd round pick and could use help in quite a few areas.

JAX has stated Dez Bryant is off their draft board, and CJ Spiller would be a STUPID move with MJD already on the roster.

Actually Jacksonville NEVER said that, the media did.

Quote:
Smith also said the team has yet to take any player off the board, despite reports they're already taken Oklahoma State wide receiver Dez Bryant off their board because of his off-the-field problems. Smith said that wouldn't occur until Wednesday, when they give owner Wayne Weaver a rundown on some of the questionable players.

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The Jags want to be a run first team, and behind MJD they have no proven commodities. If they took Spiller it allows MJD to take fewer snaps thus less wear and tear on their star player and when he is on the sidelines they can still have a highly touted homerun threat lined up at RB. That is why Spiller makes sense for a team that is devoid of actual offensive playmakers.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by lamontb:
It just makes no sense that Cleveland Buffalo and the Raiders would all pass on Clausen then trade so many picks to jump right back up to take him. Maybe if he fell to the 20's. They could've just drafted him in the 1st place and kept those picks to fill other needs.

Why would the Cards, or Cincy want to trade up for Dez Bryant? Why would the Eagles trade up for Derrick Morgan?

It makes sense with Oakland, since they have a more pressing need at OT. Oakland could end up landing a Franchise Left Tackle and a Franchise QB in the same draft.

Cleveland has the ammo to trade up -- filling the bigger need at #7 and then deciding they still want Clausen. Buffalo is more of a stretch.

Arizona needs another WR to replace Boldin, and Cincy needs a QB. Both teams are often mocked taking Dez at their pick -- but he won't fall that far.

But if you really want a Qb you take then and worry bout the OT later on not the other way around Especially with Buffalo right behind you. Samething for Cleveland if you want the guy you take him where you can get him. This would be more plausible if he fell into the 20's.

Arizona has Breaston and Doucet along with another guy I can't remember to replace Boldin. No way do they trade up for a WR. i don't see Jacksonville that has no WR's and no offensive and special teams play makers at all will pass on Spiller and Bryant

Not to mention the Jags have made it clear they would like to trade down, and that is no smokescreen. They have no 2nd round pick and could use help in quite a few areas.

JAX has stated Dez Bryant is off their draft board, and CJ Spiller would be a STUPID move with MJD already on the roster.

Actually Jacksonville NEVER said that, the media did.

Quote:
Smith also said the team has yet to take any player off the board, despite reports they're already taken Oklahoma State wide receiver Dez Bryant off their board because of his off-the-field problems. Smith said that wouldn't occur until Wednesday, when they give owner Wayne Weaver a rundown on some of the questionable players.

Link

The Jags want to be a run first team, and behind MJD they have no proven commodities. If they took Spiller it allows MJD to take fewer snaps thus less wear and tear on their star player and when he is on the sidelines they can still have a highly touted homerun threat lined up at RB. That is why Spiller makes sense for a team that is devoid of actual offensive playmakers.

And it's a make or break year for Del Rio and Garrad better get an offensive weapon that can put some points on the board. Go head and draft another DE bust and you are getting fired. Not to mention the Texans and Colts have play makers everywhere. Offense is the name of the game in that division.
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by lamontb:
It just makes no sense that Cleveland Buffalo and the Raiders would all pass on Clausen then trade so many picks to jump right back up to take him. Maybe if he fell to the 20's. They could've just drafted him in the 1st place and kept those picks to fill other needs.

Why would the Cards, or Cincy want to trade up for Dez Bryant? Why would the Eagles trade up for Derrick Morgan?

It makes sense with Oakland, since they have a more pressing need at OT. Oakland could end up landing a Franchise Left Tackle and a Franchise QB in the same draft.

Cleveland has the ammo to trade up -- filling the bigger need at #7 and then deciding they still want Clausen. Buffalo is more of a stretch.

Arizona needs another WR to replace Boldin, and Cincy needs a QB. Both teams are often mocked taking Dez at their pick -- but he won't fall that far.

But if you really want a Qb you take then and worry bout the OT later on not the other way around Especially with Buffalo right behind you. Samething for Cleveland if you want the guy you take him where you can get him. This would be more plausible if he fell into the 20's.

Arizona has Breaston and Doucet along with another guy I can't remember to replace Boldin. No way do they trade up for a WR. i don't see Jacksonville that has no WR's and no offensive and special teams play makers at all will pass on Spiller and Bryant

Not to mention the Jags have made it clear they would like to trade down, and that is no smokescreen. They have no 2nd round pick and could use help in quite a few areas.

JAX has stated Dez Bryant is off their draft board, and CJ Spiller would be a STUPID move with MJD already on the roster.

Actually Jacksonville NEVER said that, the media did.

Quote:
Smith also said the team has yet to take any player off the board, despite reports they're already taken Oklahoma State wide receiver Dez Bryant off their board because of his off-the-field problems. Smith said that wouldn't occur until Wednesday, when they give owner Wayne Weaver a rundown on some of the questionable players.

Link

The Jags want to be a run first team, and behind MJD they have no proven commodities. If they took Spiller it allows MJD to take fewer snaps thus less wear and tear on their star player and when he is on the sidelines they can still have a highly touted homerun threat lined up at RB. That is why Spiller makes sense for a team that is devoid of actual offensive playmakers.

And it's a make or break year for Del Rio and Garrad better get an offensive weapon that can put some points on the board. Go head and draft another DE bust and you are getting fired. Not to mention the Texans and Colts have play makers everywhere. Offense is the name of the game in that division.

In that division, getting pressure on Peyton Manning and Matt SChaub is the name of the game
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