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The 49ers should not consider trading up

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by ninertico:
"Even with the draft less than three weeks away there is still film work to be done, and as we take another look at the top offensive tackles on the board things are getting tight at the top.

Oklahoma State's Russell Okung has held down the No. 1 spot for some time now but after watching more tape we don't see much difference between Okung and Oklahoma's Trent Williams.--NFL DraftBlog at ESPN

This is why we shouldn't trade up as there is not much difference within the top four tackles. The bottom line is that KC, Oakland and Buffalo must choose someone other than these two Williams and Davis. I hope Oakland takes Campbell, but they just may take A. Davis as the last OT in the four.

We should keep the picks! A Spiller/Thomas or Spiller/Graham combo would be much greater than just one A. Davis or even a T. Williams, IMO.

Out of the four, I believe A. Davis will be the one to drop to us. Let's hope.


there is a lot of difference between okung and williams look at the game tape

That's not what they say and they already did. Also they would have many more clips than we do, the average arm chair GMs...

If you got tape, good for you! Can you share because I don't have mad resources?



[ Edited by ninertico on Apr 6, 2010 at 12:55:59 ]
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by saniner:
I would rather trade down a few spots to get Saffold, who would be a great pick for future RT. He is already familiar with the ZBS, and he has great size. He and Charles Brown are the 2 guys I would trade down for. If we do this we can get another 2nd or 3rd to use on a defensive lineman

agreed but honestly how many teams are willing to trade up like 15-20 spots?

i think it would be safer to trade up with our 2nd

The only team I could see doing it is the Patriots, but that would be a stretch. They just have so many picks. Trading up from our 2nd wouldn't be a bad idea either, I just wouldn't want to give up early picks
Originally posted by 9erred:
It is INSANE to say trade up. The niners need a RIGHT Tackle, not a left tackle. How dumb is Matt Macciocco??? Perhaps he should read Bill Walshs book, the winning edge.

Lets look at last years draft for OT's in round 1.

Smith, Jason OT 6'5" 309 Baylor
Pick Analysis: null


6 (6) Bengals Smith, Andre OT 6'4" 332 Alabama
Pick Analysis: null
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8 (8) Jaguars Monroe, Eugene OT 6'5" 309 Virginia
Pick Analysis: null



23 (23) Ravens (From Patriots) Oher, Michael

Now applying the same logic, the niners should have traded up to grab a top 3 tackle last year? All of the top 3 Tackles did not perform that well. As a matter of fact, Ebon Britton, Phil Loadhold, Beatty, and sebastian Volmer, all second round picks, outperformed the top 3 OT's taken.

Draft BPA with 13 and 17, if it is a OT great, if not, trade the second and third to move up to grab your RIGHT Tackle, either Charles Brown, Velhdeer, or ?

This makes just too much sense.

There is just a hysteria over getting an OT early, no matter what. Sure we need to shore up the OL, but we're just as likely to land a really good OT in the second. Or late first if we can trade down.

I'd like to see us get a gamechanger on offense and a speedy backfield guy on defense early in the draft.
Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Originally posted by 9erred:
It is INSANE to say trade up. The niners need a RIGHT Tackle, not a left tackle. How dumb is Matt Macciocco??? Perhaps he should read Bill Walshs book, the winning edge.

Lets look at last years draft for OT's in round 1.

Smith, Jason OT 6'5" 309 Baylor
Pick Analysis: null


6 (6) Bengals Smith, Andre OT 6'4" 332 Alabama
Pick Analysis: null
[+]
8 (8) Jaguars Monroe, Eugene OT 6'5" 309 Virginia
Pick Analysis: null



23 (23) Ravens (From Patriots) Oher, Michael

Now applying the same logic, the niners should have traded up to grab a top 3 tackle last year? All of the top 3 Tackles did not perform that well. As a matter of fact, Ebon Britton, Phil Loadhold, Beatty, and sebastian Volmer, all second round picks, outperformed the top 3 OT's taken.

Draft BPA with 13 and 17, if it is a OT great, if not, trade the second and third to move up to grab your RIGHT Tackle, either Charles Brown, Velhdeer, or ?

This makes just too much sense.

There is just a hysteria over getting an OT early, no matter what. Sure we need to shore up the OL, but we're just as likely to land a really good OT in the second. Or late first if we can trade down.

I'd like to see us get a gamechanger on offense and a speedy backfield guy on defense early in the draft.

The more I read about Spiller, I want him at 13, even if Haden and Davis are at 13. I then would take Graham at 17, as he is the pass rusher like lamar woodley,
  • fryet
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So far, our second round picks on guards haven't been that great. I really worry about a second round OT. I think we have to walk away from this draft with a starting RT, which really means we have 3 choices:

1. Draft up to around #4, and pick the best LT in the draft (you don't trade up that high for a RT).
2. Draft up to around #10, and pick the last decent RT of the top 4, because there was a run of the top OT, and this is the only way we can be sure we get one of them.
3. Overdraft a second tier OT that might be available later in the first, but we can't be sure they will be there in the second.

I would probably go with option #3, if all of the top OT are drafted, but I can't fault the strategy of drafting up to get one either. I do know, I would hate to get a developmental 2nd round OT that is no better than Snyder at RT.
Originally posted by fryet:
So far, our second round picks on guards haven't been that great. I really worry about a second round OT. I think we have to walk away from this draft with a starting RT, which really means we have 3 choices:

1. Draft up to around #4, and pick the best LT in the draft (you don't trade up that high for a RT).
2. Draft up to around #10, and pick the last decent RT of the top 4, because there was a run of the top OT, and this is the only way we can be sure we get one of them.
3. Overdraft a second tier OT that might be available later in the first, but we can't be sure they will be there in the second.

I would probably go with option #3, if all of the top OT are drafted, but I can't fault the strategy of drafting up to get one either. I do know, I would hate to get a developmental 2nd round OT that is no better than Snyder at RT.

I'm not sure what going to 10 would do. The Jaguars, Dolphins and Broncos aren't in the market for an OT, so it doesn't make sense to only go to 10, you'd have to go 7 to make sure you get someone before Oakland or Buffalo.
  • fryet
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I just used that as an example. If you see a run on the tackles, and you are trying to grab the last one, you will probably need to trade up somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 to get the last one.
Originally posted by 9erred:
Originally posted by Rsrkshn:
Originally posted by 9erred:
It is INSANE to say trade up. The niners need a RIGHT Tackle, not a left tackle. How dumb is Matt Macciocco??? Perhaps he should read Bill Walshs book, the winning edge.

Lets look at last years draft for OT's in round 1.

Smith, Jason OT 6'5" 309 Baylor
Pick Analysis: null


6 (6) Bengals Smith, Andre OT 6'4" 332 Alabama
Pick Analysis: null
[+]
8 (8) Jaguars Monroe, Eugene OT 6'5" 309 Virginia
Pick Analysis: null



23 (23) Ravens (From Patriots) Oher, Michael

Now applying the same logic, the niners should have traded up to grab a top 3 tackle last year? All of the top 3 Tackles did not perform that well. As a matter of fact, Ebon Britton, Phil Loadhold, Beatty, and sebastian Volmer, all second round picks, outperformed the top 3 OT's taken.

Draft BPA with 13 and 17, if it is a OT great, if not, trade the second and third to move up to grab your RIGHT Tackle, either Charles Brown, Velhdeer, or ?

This makes just too much sense.

There is just a hysteria over getting an OT early, no matter what. Sure we need to shore up the OL, but we're just as likely to land a really good OT in the second. Or late first if we can trade down.

I'd like to see us get a gamechanger on offense and a speedy backfield guy on defense early in the draft.

The more I read about Spiller, I want him at 13, even if Haden and Davis are at 13. I then would take Graham at 17, as he is the pass rusher like lamar woodley,

If Spiller is for real, he'd be perfect as a game-changer. And we would be immediately upgraded if Graham proved to be a premier pass rusher. All great teams have to have one. I don't know enough about Graham, but he gets great press. So I have no problems with this analysis. Offensive lineman and defensive back must be among our next two picks. I like that db from Alabama . . . name escapes me . . . Jackson? Maybe could be had in the third. Otherwise use a second on that position.
Originally posted by Niners23:
Originally posted by GMniner805:
I just finished an article suggesting the 49ers MUST consider trading up for a OT. The 49ers are more than one player from being a finished product, as a matter of fact the 49ers are not even 2 or 3 players away from being where they need to be. The 49ers will need all of their current draft picks in the first 4 rounds to fill holes & add depth. 2010 appears to be the strongest/deepest draft class in quite somtime, if anything the 49ers should consider trading back to acquire more picks. These are the areas that need to be addressed in no particular order:

OT
OG
Safety
CB
Return specialist
OLB

As things stand right now the 49ers have 5 picks in the first 4 rounds, if they stay put they can get quality help in up to 5 out of 6 positions. Each pick the 49ers trade limits their ability to address all areas of concern. Trading up would be a terrible idea for a team that needs to finally put the finishing touches on their rebuilding.

Your argument is that the niners need all the draft picks this year, so why couldn't we simply trade picks from the 2011 draft and trade up if a certain player falls more than expected? Once again, I don't think you can completely rule out any trade scenario until you see what happens in the actual draft - doing so is just gimping yourself in the trade process. If you go into the draft with a mindset of being very inflexible, then you may miss out on great opportunities.


Great opportunities to get punked by good GM's that know the value of draft picks. I said trading up in this draft is a terrible idea & it is, the cost of moving up takes away from the 49ers rebuilding. The 49ers will be in position to draft special players at 13 & 17, after that the draft gets even deeper. The 49ers don't need a trade process that involves moving up, they already have great position. Inflexible?? In this case id say that's a good thing.

Not to mention trading away future draft picks is a big no no. Didn't work out to well for the 49ers with the Patriots & Carolina looks pretty foolish wasting a 1st rounder on Brown.