Trade the 17th pick

The Gaither deal might only happen during the draft. If someone the Ravens are targeting starts to fall in the second, they might be apt to trade.

I think saying that we should trade the pick without even seeing who falls to us there doesn't make any sense. However, if a top 10 talent doesn't fall, and we have already gotten our OT, then I wouldn't mind trading it.

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by benton45:
Trade the 2nd rounder for Gaither

Tradt #17 and the 3rd rounder for #7 and take Berry....

2nd, 3rd and #17 = 3 players

Berry (best safety in draft), Gaither (Proven Starting Tackle)

Rather have those 2 than a 2nd...a 17 and a mid rounder any day...

Take Haden at 13...and oh man...

Come away from draft day looking SOLID

I don't even think Berry is the best FS in this class...Earl Thomas is. Now, Berry can also play SS, but who the hell cares? We need help over the top more than anything, and Goldson would make a great SS.

I couldn't disagree more with this statement. There is a reason why Eric Berry is a sure fire top 10 pick. He has been a consistent playmaker throughout his college career as a ball hawk, a solid tackling machine, and isn't afraid to help against the run. This past season, he has played both safety positions and even cornerback.
I have nothing against Earl Thomas, but his small stature worries me and his ability to handle the pounding of the bigger NFL running backs. Also, he tends to be too aggressive on a play and misses tackles. I've also seen him get burnt a few times.

Beside the fact we need some young studs on our OL, you don't pay them as much as QB's, RB's, WR, CB's, etc. So, it can be the best of both worlds...add some huge talent to your OL without breaking the bank. So much for trading the #17 pick...

Originally posted by Draftology:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by benton45:
Trade the 2nd rounder for Gaither

Tradt #17 and the 3rd rounder for #7 and take Berry....

2nd, 3rd and #17 = 3 players

Berry (best safety in draft), Gaither (Proven Starting Tackle)

Rather have those 2 than a 2nd...a 17 and a mid rounder any day...

Take Haden at 13...and oh man...

Come away from draft day looking SOLID

I don't even think Berry is the best FS in this class...Earl Thomas is. Now, Berry can also play SS, but who the hell cares? We need help over the top more than anything, and Goldson would make a great SS.

what are you going by earl thomas is good and has about the same coverage skills as berry but berrys is much better in the run game and at the "take it to the house ability" unless you can tell the future then we have to go and say berry is the best S prospect he was much better throughhout college

Thomas has Ed Reed-like Ball skills...much better than Berry's -- I don't think anybody's debating that. but Berry is much better in the run game. But the thing is that we need a FS, not a SS.

berry is a FS he is a ballhawk as well has excellent ball skills the good thing about berry he can play FS or SS ( he is more suited for FS) he has the speed and teh hands and the smarts to play FS

The fact that we are comparing these guys to all-time greats and there are legitimate arguments to take either one leads me to think we should just trade the 2nd for Gaither, take Joe Haden at 13, take Earl Thomas at 17, and since we keep our 3rd round pick take a guard with it. We have completely revamped the secondary and the o-line, our two biggest weaknesses.

Any chance of staying on topic???

Originally posted by benton45:
Trade the 2nd rounder for Gaither

Tradt #17 and the 3rd rounder for #7 and take Berry....

2nd, 3rd and #17 = 3 players

Berry (best safety in draft), Gaither (Proven Starting Tackle)

Rather have those 2 than a 2nd...a 17 and a mid rounder any day...

Take Haden at 13...and oh man...

Come away from draft day looking SOLID

First of all anybody that is willing to give us the 7th pick for just our 17th and 3rd rounder is a fool. Those two are only worth the 13th pick which is ours. Are you using the draft calculator. someone has already stated that the calculator is only for fantasy football draft. You need to use the chart.

If you trad the 13th and our third you might get the raiders to bite maybe.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by benton45:
Trade the 2nd rounder for Gaither

Tradt #17 and the 3rd rounder for #7 and take Berry....

2nd, 3rd and #17 = 3 players

Berry (best safety in draft), Gaither (Proven Starting Tackle)

Rather have those 2 than a 2nd...a 17 and a mid rounder any day...

Take Haden at 13...and oh man...

Come away from draft day looking SOLID

I don't even think Berry is the best FS in this class...Earl Thomas is. Now, Berry can also play SS, but who the hell cares? We need help over the top more than anything, and Goldson would make a great SS.

what are you going by earl thomas is good and has about the same coverage skills as berry but berrys is much better in the run game and at the "take it to the house ability" unless you can tell the future then we have to go and say berry is the best S prospect he was much better throughhout college

Berry is the better at run support. As far as take it to the house ability, last year thomas took it to the house twice didn't he? At least that is what it says in the stats. Berry has more experience. Thomas did have 8 ints from his safty position, but texas had a great team.

Question is how Berry would have done in Texas and vice versa.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by benton45:
Trade the 2nd rounder for Gaither

Tradt #17 and the 3rd rounder for #7 and take Berry....

2nd, 3rd and #17 = 3 players

Berry (best safety in draft), Gaither (Proven Starting Tackle)

Rather have those 2 than a 2nd...a 17 and a mid rounder any day...

Take Haden at 13...and oh man...

Come away from draft day looking SOLID

I don't even think Berry is the best FS in this class...Earl Thomas is. Now, Berry can also play SS, but who the hell cares? We need help over the top more than anything, and Goldson would make a great SS.

what are you going by earl thomas is good and has about the same coverage skills as berry but berrys is much better in the run game and at the "take it to the house ability" unless you can tell the future then we have to go and say berry is the best S prospect he was much better throughhout college

Thomas last season
his two INT return TDs tied UT's single-season record ... his 149 INT return yards rank second on UT's single-season list ...UTEP returned an INT 92-yards for a TD (t-No. 2 on UT's list for longest INT returns)

How is that not "take it to the house ability"? And what makes Berry better throughout college, that he had more preseason hype coming in?
http://www.texassports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/thomas_earl00.html

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by benton45:
Trade the 2nd rounder for Gaither

Tradt #17 and the 3rd rounder for #7 and take Berry....

2nd, 3rd and #17 = 3 players

Berry (best safety in draft), Gaither (Proven Starting Tackle)

Rather have those 2 than a 2nd...a 17 and a mid rounder any day...

Take Haden at 13...and oh man...

Come away from draft day looking SOLID

I don't even think Berry is the best FS in this class...Earl Thomas is. Now, Berry can also play SS, but who the hell cares? We need help over the top more than anything, and Goldson would make a great SS.

what are you going by earl thomas is good and has about the same coverage skills as berry but berrys is much better in the run game and at the "take it to the house ability" unless you can tell the future then we have to go and say berry is the best S prospect he was much better throughhout college

Thomas has Ed Reed-like Ball skills...much better than Berry's -- I don't think anybody's debating that. but Berry is much better in the run game. But the thing is that we need a FS, not a SS.

You can't say that thomas has better ball skills, after all Berry's 3 seasons read like this as far as int, 5/7/3-the drop off could be because they stayed away from him. Plus texas has a better D overall, so you can't discount that. I think I'd be happy to have either. Woudl love to have trent and thomas but they will be gone at those respective positions unless we move in both.

Originally posted by BobS:
I wouldn't be opposed to trading down and getting multiple late round picks. We need o-line help in more than one spot. Walsh found good lineman in later rounds, why can't it be done again?

True dat-but we had the mirricle man Bob McK-and their blocking style was diff than now-now they want to maul-we were more athletic and smarter.

Originally posted by Niners23:
I think saying that we should trade the pick without even seeing who falls to us there doesn't make any sense. However, if a top 10 talent doesn't fall, and we have already gotten our OT, then I wouldn't mind trading it.

If we got our OT and Thomas or Haden is there maybe trade up the 17th 4th and 5th to jump over the titans to the giants to get them, unless both are avail then just sit and wait. then get a guar in the 2nd and return specialist in the 3rd.

Originally posted by BobS:
I wouldn't be opposed to trading down and getting multiple late round picks. We need o-line help in more than one spot. Walsh found good lineman in later rounds, why can't it be done again?

Because Solari is no Bobb McKittrick. He's good, but McKittrick was hof Oline coach imo. Turned late round scrubs or guys off the street into studs on a regular.