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Ok OTC....who are the picks at #13 & #17?
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
OTC:
Did you do a list for punt returners and kick returners? Just a hypothetical question. If we were to draft Spiller/Gilyard/Ford/Owusu-Ansah would it be wise to pick someone like T. Holliday/L. Vann as a low round backup?

I did not do a list for PR/KR, since I noted player-by-player which individuals had return ability. A list for "Pure kick returners" would be rather short.

I see Vann and Holiday as Pure Returners, who wouldn't have a large role outside of utility/trick plays and return duties.

It would certainly be wise to have some insurance, but I think if we drafted a pure specialist -- They would be the starting returner, with the others you mentioned: Spiller/Gilyard/Ford, etc. being the back-up return men, possibly splitting the duties, but likely spending more time focusing on their true positions, obviously.


Originally posted by Niners23:
Another question for you OTC, which safety that would be available in rounds 3 and above do you think would be the best ball hawk at FS, and who would be the best replacement for Lewis at SS in those rounds as well?

When you say Round 3 and above, do you mean earlier or later? I'll give you my top guys overall as far as "Ball-hawking" players.

Top 3 "Ballhawks" (out of those likely to be available to us):
Nate Allen
Morgan Burnett
Robert Johnson.

Favorite SS Prospects to Supplant Lewis:
Reshad Jones - Devastating hitter, outstanding form tackler, ballhawk.
Darrell Stuckey - Smart, instinctive, and possesses good speed. Strong in run support.

Sorry for the confusion, I was referring to players available in rounds 3 and later, mainly from the 3rd-5th round in the positions we're picking at.

Another question for you (haha, I'm asking a ton): assuming we don't get Cam Thomas or Dan Williams in the 1st 2 rounds, and go OL/pass-rush/CB instead, is there any hope of landing an NT to replace Franklin in the later parts of this draft? It seems like after the top 2 rounds, the talent level for NTs here is slim.

Also, what do you think about Brandon Spikes as a 3rd round possibility? I know he had a bad pro day, but I still think he has enough football smarts, awareness and toughness to be a future TED for us and take up blocks so Willis can lay down the law. If not Spikes, then would Chaney be a good option for that same role in the 3rd?
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
OTC:
Did you do a list for punt returners and kick returners? Just a hypothetical question. If we were to draft Spiller/Gilyard/Ford/Owusu-Ansah would it be wise to pick someone like T. Holliday/L. Vann as a low round backup?

I did not do a list for PR/KR, since I noted player-by-player which individuals had return ability. A list for "Pure kick returners" would be rather short.

I see Vann and Holiday as Pure Returners, who wouldn't have a large role outside of utility/trick plays and return duties.

It would certainly be wise to have some insurance, but I think if we drafted a pure specialist -- They would be the starting returner, with the others you mentioned: Spiller/Gilyard/Ford, etc. being the back-up return men, possibly splitting the duties, but likely spending more time focusing on their true positions, obviously.


Originally posted by Niners23:
Another question for you OTC, which safety that would be available in rounds 3 and above do you think would be the best ball hawk at FS, and who would be the best replacement for Lewis at SS in those rounds as well?

When you say Round 3 and above, do you mean earlier or later? I'll give you my top guys overall as far as "Ball-hawking" players.

Top 3 "Ballhawks" (out of those likely to be available to us):
Nate Allen
Morgan Burnett
Robert Johnson.

Favorite SS Prospects to Supplant Lewis:
Reshad Jones - Devastating hitter, outstanding form tackler, ballhawk.
Darrell Stuckey - Smart, instinctive, and possesses good speed. Strong in run support
.

Is there any reason you left Mays off you SS list? I don’t like Mays as a “center field” free safety, but I love him as a “in the box” strong safety. If we ran a defense where both of our safeties had virtually the same responsibility, then I would say stay away from Taylor Mays. But our SS seems to be much more of a “in the box” strong safety. I think Mays would be an outstanding replacement for Michael Lewis.
Originally posted by jta854:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
OTC:
Did you do a list for punt returners and kick returners? Just a hypothetical question. If we were to draft Spiller/Gilyard/Ford/Owusu-Ansah would it be wise to pick someone like T. Holliday/L. Vann as a low round backup?

I did not do a list for PR/KR, since I noted player-by-player which individuals had return ability. A list for "Pure kick returners" would be rather short.

I see Vann and Holiday as Pure Returners, who wouldn't have a large role outside of utility/trick plays and return duties.

It would certainly be wise to have some insurance, but I think if we drafted a pure specialist -- They would be the starting returner, with the others you mentioned: Spiller/Gilyard/Ford, etc. being the back-up return men, possibly splitting the duties, but likely spending more time focusing on their true positions, obviously.


Originally posted by Niners23:
Another question for you OTC, which safety that would be available in rounds 3 and above do you think would be the best ball hawk at FS, and who would be the best replacement for Lewis at SS in those rounds as well?

When you say Round 3 and above, do you mean earlier or later? I'll give you my top guys overall as far as "Ball-hawking" players.

Top 3 "Ballhawks" (out of those likely to be available to us):
Nate Allen
Morgan Burnett
Robert Johnson.

Favorite SS Prospects to Supplant Lewis:
Reshad Jones - Devastating hitter, outstanding form tackler, ballhawk.
Darrell Stuckey - Smart, instinctive, and possesses good speed. Strong in run support
.

Is there any reason you left Mays off you SS list? I don’t like Mays as a “center field” free safety, but I love him as a “in the box” strong safety. If we ran a defense where both of our safeties had virtually the same responsibility, then I would say stay away from Taylor Mays. But our SS seems to be much more of a “in the box” strong safety. I think Mays would be an outstanding replacement for Michael Lewis.

Mays would be next on the list, but I left him off because I he misses a heck of a lot of tackles, and I think his tendency to go for the big hit will also lead to a large amount of stupid, costly penalties in the NFL. He will have to play with better discipline if he wants to stick in the league. His sheer physical stature and athleticism are phenomenal, but you have to do more than just look fit to be a good player in this league.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Ok OTC....who are the picks at #13 & #17?

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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
OTC:
Did you do a list for punt returners and kick returners? Just a hypothetical question. If we were to draft Spiller/Gilyard/Ford/Owusu-Ansah would it be wise to pick someone like T. Holliday/L. Vann as a low round backup?

I did not do a list for PR/KR, since I noted player-by-player which individuals had return ability. A list for "Pure kick returners" would be rather short.

I see Vann and Holiday as Pure Returners, who wouldn't have a large role outside of utility/trick plays and return duties.

It would certainly be wise to have some insurance, but I think if we drafted a pure specialist -- They would be the starting returner, with the others you mentioned: Spiller/Gilyard/Ford, etc. being the back-up return men, possibly splitting the duties, but likely spending more time focusing on their true positions, obviously.


Originally posted by Niners23:
Another question for you OTC, which safety that would be available in rounds 3 and above do you think would be the best ball hawk at FS, and who would be the best replacement for Lewis at SS in those rounds as well?

When you say Round 3 and above, do you mean earlier or later? I'll give you my top guys overall as far as "Ball-hawking" players.

Top 3 "Ballhawks" (out of those likely to be available to us):
Nate Allen
Morgan Burnett
Robert Johnson.

Favorite SS Prospects to Supplant Lewis:
Reshad Jones - Devastating hitter, outstanding form tackler, ballhawk.
Darrell Stuckey - Smart, instinctive, and possesses good speed. Strong in run support.


Thank you for the feedback. Do you see Vann or Holliday as undrafted free agents? What is the likelihood of drafting Allen, Burnett, Johnson, Jones, or Stuckey?
Originally posted by jreff22:
Ok OTC....who are the picks at #13 & #17?

I think with the first pick we will be targeting the following four (not in order): Haden, Spiller, McClain or Dan Williams.

I think any of those four could make it to #13. MadDog and I agree on who we think it'll be -- Mark me down for Haden and Charles Brown, too.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Ok OTC....who are the picks at #13 & #17?

I think with the first pick we will be targeting the following four (not in order): Haden, Spiller, McClain or Dan Williams.

I think any of those four could make it to #13. MadDog and I agree on who we think it'll be -- Mark me down for Haden and Charles Brown, too.

no Spiller
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Ok OTC....who are the picks at #13 & #17?

I think with the first pick we will be targeting the following four (not in order): Haden, Spiller, McClain or Dan Williams.

I think any of those four could make it to #13. MadDog and I agree on who we think it'll be -- Mark me down for Haden and Charles Brown, too.

I think he is the sleeper. I think some people will not like the pick, but NTs are so rare I say take him.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Ok OTC....who are the picks at #13 & #17?

I think with the first pick we will be targeting the following four (not in order): Haden, Spiller, McClain or Dan Williams.

I think any of those four could make it to #13. MadDog and I agree on who we think it'll be -- Mark me down for Haden and Charles Brown, too.

same here unless Bulaga or trent williams falls to #13.
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
OTC:
Did you do a list for punt returners and kick returners? Just a hypothetical question. If we were to draft Spiller/Gilyard/Ford/Owusu-Ansah would it be wise to pick someone like T. Holliday/L. Vann as a low round backup?

I did not do a list for PR/KR, since I noted player-by-player which individuals had return ability. A list for "Pure kick returners" would be rather short.

I see Vann and Holiday as Pure Returners, who wouldn't have a large role outside of utility/trick plays and return duties.

It would certainly be wise to have some insurance, but I think if we drafted a pure specialist -- They would be the starting returner, with the others you mentioned: Spiller/Gilyard/Ford, etc. being the back-up return men, possibly splitting the duties, but likely spending more time focusing on their true positions, obviously.


Originally posted by Niners23:
Another question for you OTC, which safety that would be available in rounds 3 and above do you think would be the best ball hawk at FS, and who would be the best replacement for Lewis at SS in those rounds as well?

When you say Round 3 and above, do you mean earlier or later? I'll give you my top guys overall as far as "Ball-hawking" players.

Top 3 "Ballhawks" (out of those likely to be available to us):
Nate Allen
Morgan Burnett
Robert Johnson.

Favorite SS Prospects to Supplant Lewis:
Reshad Jones - Devastating hitter, outstanding form tackler, ballhawk.
Darrell Stuckey - Smart, instinctive, and possesses good speed. Strong in run support.


Thank you for the feedback. Do you see Vann or Holliday as undrafted free agents? What is the likelihood of drafting Allen, Burnett, Johnson, Jones, or Stuckey?

Neither of them will go undrafted, I believe. I just can't see that happening. If we want one, we'll have to use a pick.

As for the safeties mentioned, well, the odds have to be well about 50-50. Landing one of those players specifically? I'm going to say the chances are pretty high. To throw out a number, lets say about 65-70%
Originally posted by jta854:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Ok OTC....who are the picks at #13 & #17?

I think with the first pick we will be targeting the following four (not in order): Haden, Spiller, McClain or Dan Williams.

I think any of those four could make it to #13. MadDog and I agree on who we think it'll be -- Mark me down for Haden and Charles Brown, too.

I think he is the sleeper. I think some people will not like the pick, but NTs are so rare I say take him.

Many fans looked back and wondered what things would be like now if we had drafted Ngata. We got a Pro-Bowl TE instead of a Pro-Bowl NT. This year, I think with two firsts, and NT still a priority, we have the ability to take one with much less worry about missing out on someone else.


Originally posted by Niners23:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
OTC:
Did you do a list for punt returners and kick returners? Just a hypothetical question. If we were to draft Spiller/Gilyard/Ford/Owusu-Ansah would it be wise to pick someone like T. Holliday/L. Vann as a low round backup?

I did not do a list for PR/KR, since I noted player-by-player which individuals had return ability. A list for "Pure kick returners" would be rather short.

I see Vann and Holiday as Pure Returners, who wouldn't have a large role outside of utility/trick plays and return duties.

It would certainly be wise to have some insurance, but I think if we drafted a pure specialist -- They would be the starting returner, with the others you mentioned: Spiller/Gilyard/Ford, etc. being the back-up return men, possibly splitting the duties, but likely spending more time focusing on their true positions, obviously.


Originally posted by Niners23:
Another question for you OTC, which safety that would be available in rounds 3 and above do you think would be the best ball hawk at FS, and who would be the best replacement for Lewis at SS in those rounds as well?

When you say Round 3 and above, do you mean earlier or later? I'll give you my top guys overall as far as "Ball-hawking" players.

Top 3 "Ballhawks" (out of those likely to be available to us):
Nate Allen
Morgan Burnett
Robert Johnson.

Favorite SS Prospects to Supplant Lewis:
Reshad Jones - Devastating hitter, outstanding form tackler, ballhawk.
Darrell Stuckey - Smart, instinctive, and possesses good speed. Strong in run support.

Sorry for the confusion, I was referring to players available in rounds 3 and later, mainly from the 3rd-5th round in the positions we're picking at.

Another question for you (haha, I'm asking a ton): assuming we don't get Cam Thomas or Dan Williams in the 1st 2 rounds, and go OL/pass-rush/CB instead, is there any hope of landing an NT to replace Franklin in the later parts of this draft? It seems like after the top 2 rounds, the talent level for NTs here is slim.

Also, what do you think about Brandon Spikes as a 3rd round possibility? I know he had a bad pro day, but I still think he has enough football smarts, awareness and toughness to be a future TED for us and take up blocks so Willis can lay down the law. If not Spikes, then would Chaney be a good option for that same role in the 3rd?

I think Spikes may slip to the 4th, or further. He ran bad times at the combine and the pro-day and that's not good. Maybe he plays a little faster, but now scouts are just going to be thinking he was a product of being surrounded by better players -- and a terrific DL for sure. I probably wouldn't take him any earlier than the 4th now because of those concerns. Lower risk, and if he pans out, we've got a good TED.

Chaney is a MIKE backer. I think his talents would kind of go to waste at TED. I think if we took him, he'd be brought in to be the back-up/insurance policy to Willis.
I know you said your grades for the player are in your head, but is there any way you could bracket the players by what round you think they are graded at? When I get too far outside of the first and second round I have hard time knowing what kind of value a player has. If it is too much work, don’t worry about it, because I appreciate the work you have already done. Thanks.
Originally posted by jta854:
I know you said your grades for the player are in your head, but is there any way you could bracket the players by what round you think they are graded at? When I get too far outside of the first and second round I have hard time knowing what kind of value a player has. If it is too much work, don’t worry about it, because I appreciate the work you have already done. Thanks.

It is a lot of work. I unfortunately do not have enough time available right now to go in and do that, but what I planned on doing was being around for the draft to keep people posted in the chat, as best as can, on who the BPAs were and give out info on my grades, rankings, etc., for players as we all watch the draft.

This will save me time, and allows me to still provide people with necessary information.

Sorry that I'm unable to do that. I do have the talent-tier board that includes the first four rounds. I'm not sure if it's completely up to date yet, as I turned from the TTB to focus all attention on the 49er Draft Board, but it can be referenced here: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=135603

Edit: I did a quick run through and it looks like I updated it pretty well. If anything, the only errors might be a few players missing possibly, but it's a good reference point still. Again, that board does only go through 4th round talents.
Board has been updated. This should be the last revision to the 49er board.

I will post again if any more changes. I may consider just posting up the "Round Grades" on people here, for a better barometer of how I grade some of these players.