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OTC's 49er Board: Draft Cheatsheet.

Originally posted by MiamiNiner:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Now, before you download PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO READ some notes I've made which will answer questions I'm sure you might have when looking at the board.

* This Board does NOT include Specialists (I see no purpose in ranking P, K, and LS and leave them out to save time.)

* This Board also does NOT include Quarterbacks. (I do not expect us to take one unless they are converting to receiver, and in that case they'd be listed under Wide Receivers. I know my own rankings in my head already, so save time, I did not include them.)

* Players marked with a + are injured. If they seem higher than they should be, it's because they are expected to play this year. Players like O'Brien Schofield, however, are ranked lower because he will not play this season.

* Players marked with an asterisk (*) are underclassmen.

* Players marked with an ® are players with return ability, or players expected to return kicks/punts.

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All that being said, here are the files:

(Excel Format): Click here.
(Web Page Format): Click here.


Any other questions, feel free to ask. Enjoy your Draft Cheatsheet.

I created an account on 4shared.com but could not open the file either as an excel spreadsheet or link

PM Me Your E-Mail and I can send the raw files to you that way.

[ Edited by OnTheClock on Mar 28, 2010 at 12:28:04 ]
Originally posted by jreff22:
Regarding Decker:
I remember watching one of his games and by the end it looked like he was hit by a truck. He kept getting hurt, got more tape then went back on the field. The kid has guts and has fantastic size. And again my comment was more surprise by the guys you have him ranked over. My questions about him are injury related, how is he going to hold up in the NFL. And I would like to see some numbers (pro day) to see what he can do.

Quick note on Decker. I didn't even realize this until I ran across it today, but I noticed Mayock has Decker in his top 5 receivers. Interesting that he's as high on him as I am. Talent-wise, I gave Decker a late 1st round grade, and I believe that without the injuries, he may have landed somewhere from the late 1st-2nd.
Update: Board has undergone its final (hopefully) corrections, and thanks to AB83, there is now easy access to both the Spreadsheet and Word files.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Update: Board has undergone its final (hopefully) corrections, and thanks to AB83, there is now easy access to both the Spreadsheet and Word files.

you got it buddy. and a great job as usual OTC took a look, and it looks good. Always respect your opinions, may not always agree, lol, but you are one of my fav posters on the zone.
OTC, a few questions for you, first, what's your opinion about Trent Williams being able to play LT, or is he strictly an RT? His combine numbers were impressive and may give support to the idea that he's able to play LT, but how do you see him panning out in the NFL?

Second, as far as pure pass rushers go, I get the distinct feeling that Jerry Hughes may be the best pure rusher as either a 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB in this entire class, what do you think?

Third, what do you think of Jimmy Graham? Is he worth investing a 3rd or 4th round pick as a TE? I realize we're mainly looking for a blocking TE, but physically, he looks like the closest thing to Antonio Gates I've seen in a long time.

Lastly, this seems to be a very deep group as far as DBs go, and 2 of the fastest rising CB that I've seen are Brandon Ghee and Akwasi Owusu-Ansah. What's your opinion of both of them, and do either have the potential to be an elite-level CB in this league?

Thanks for your draft board and info!

[ Edited by Niners23 on Mar 29, 2010 at 13:17:29 ]
Great Job guys! As always 2 of my favs for posters. Thank You!
OTC, love the list. Thanks for all your hard work.

I have really gotten fixated on taking a CB at #17. I like Wilson because of his return ability, but based on your rankings the 4th rated CB might be a little high for 17.

What is your analysis of Wilson and the other CBs? Would it be better to wait till the 49th pick to nab one?
Originally posted by Niners23:
OTC, a few questions for you, first, what's your opinion about Trent Williams being able to play LT, or is he strictly an RT? His combine numbers were impressive and may give support to the idea that he's able to play LT, but how do you see him panning out in the NFL?

Second, as far as pure pass rushers go, I get the distinct feeling that Jerry Hughes may be the best pure rusher as either a 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB in this entire class, what do you think?

Third, what do you think of Jimmy Graham? Is he worth investing a 4th round pick as a TE? I realize we're mainly looking for a blocking TE, but physically, he looks like the closest thing to Antonio Gates I've seen in a long time.

Lastly, this seems to be a very deep group as far as DBs go, and 2 of the fastest rising CB that I've seen are Brandon Ghee and Akwasi Owusu-Ansah. What's your opinion of both of them, and do either have the potential to be an elite-level CB in this league?

Thanks for your draft board and info!

1. While I think Trent is best suited to the right side, I do believe he could play on the left. The adjustment takes time, and Williams was moved all over the place on that line this year, starting at Center in their bowl game, even. That versatility is always a plus, and his athleticism tacked on to that make him one of the top three tackles in my mind.

2. Outside of Brandon Graham, you could be right. Among the rest, Hughes is likely the most polished product. He's a balanced player who can also drop into coverage. I think he should learn a few more moves rather than relying on speed and athleticism all the time, but all in all, he has great potential to become something special in the NFL.

3. Is he worth it in general? Yes. For us? Tough question. I'm not sure we should do that, or would do that, with so many other pressing needs. But I fully agree, the kid's a freak. Low 4.5's at 6-6 260 is incredible. It's difficult not to draw Gates comparisons when you do that. He and Clay Harbour are both TE prospects I like as 3rd to early 4th rounders. I'm not sure Harbour would make it there to the 4th, and I'm almost willing to say there's zero chance Graham gets out of the third.

4. Love Ghee and Akwasi. Ghee has terrific recovery speed (further evidenced by his 4.3 forty), and over his career at Wake he seemed to do well against bigger receivers, a trait we definitely value in our conference. The knock on Ghee is instincts, as he just doesn't seem to have that quick reaction you look for, especially when facing quicker receivers, or just quick passing plays in general.

Akwasi Owusu-Ansah is probably the most physically imposing corner in the draft, and possibly the fastest. At his size (6-0 207), his 4.32 time is remarkable. He reminds me of a bigger, faster Leodis McKelvin, who I predicted would climb into the first. His he sustained this year will probably keep him out of the first, but I think he'll go in the second because of his sensational return ability (9 return TDs) and potential to be a top-tier press corner in the league, which scouts feel he can do based greatly on just his physical stature. I wouldn't be surprised if we were the ones to pull the trigger.

[ Edited by OnTheClock on Mar 29, 2010 at 13:33:06 ]
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Niners23:
OTC, a few questions for you, first, what's your opinion about Trent Williams being able to play LT, or is he strictly an RT? His combine numbers were impressive and may give support to the idea that he's able to play LT, but how do you see him panning out in the NFL?

Second, as far as pure pass rushers go, I get the distinct feeling that Jerry Hughes may be the best pure rusher as either a 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB in this entire class, what do you think?

Third, what do you think of Jimmy Graham? Is he worth investing a 4th round pick as a TE? I realize we're mainly looking for a blocking TE, but physically, he looks like the closest thing to Antonio Gates I've seen in a long time.

Lastly, this seems to be a very deep group as far as DBs go, and 2 of the fastest rising CB that I've seen are Brandon Ghee and Akwasi Owusu-Ansah. What's your opinion of both of them, and do either have the potential to be an elite-level CB in this league?

Thanks for your draft board and info!

1. While I think Trent is best suited to the right side, I do believe he could play on the left. The adjustment takes time, and Williams was moved all over the place on that line this year, starting at Center in their bowl game, even. That versatility is always a plus, and his athleticism tacked on to that make him one of the top three tackles in my mind.

2. Outside of Brandon Graham, you could be right. Among the rest, Hughes is likely the most polished product. He's a balanced player who can also drop into coverage. I think he should learn a few more moves rather than relying on speed and athleticism all the time, but all in all, he has great potential to become something special in the NFL.

3. Is he worth it in general? Yes. For us? Tough question. I'm not sure we should do that, or would do that, with so many other pressing needs. But I fully agree, the kid's a freak. Low 4.5's at 6-6 260 is incredible. It's difficult not to draw Gates comparisons when you do that. He and Clay Harbour are both TE prospects I like as 3rd to early 4th rounders. I'm not sure Harbour would make it there to the 4th, and I'm almost willing to say there's zero chance Graham gets out of the third.

4. Love Ghee and Akwasi. Ghee has terrific recovery speed (further evidenced by his 4.3 forty), and over his career at Wake he seemed to do well against bigger receivers, a trait we definitely value in our conference. The knock on Ghee is instincts, as he just doesn't seem to have that quick reaction you look for, especially when facing quicker receivers, or just quick passing plays in general.

Akwasi Owusu-Ansah is probably the most physically imposing corner in the draft, and possibly the fastest. At his size (6-0 207), his 4.32 time is remarkable. He reminds me of a bigger, faster Leodis McKelvin, who I predicted would climb into the first. His he sustained this year will probably keep him out of the first, but I think he'll go in the second because of his sensational return ability (9 return TDs) and potential to be a top-tier press corner in the league, which scouts feel he can do based greatly on just his physical stature. I wouldn't be surprised if we were the ones to pull the trigger.

Thanks for the quick reply! I also am getting very enamored with Ansah, do you think he would even make it to our 3rd round pick, and if not, are we reaching if we take him at 49?
Originally posted by Butter:
OTC, love the list. Thanks for all your hard work.

I have really gotten fixated on taking a CB at #17. I like Wilson because of his return ability, but based on your rankings the 4th rated CB might be a little high for 17.

What is your analysis of Wilson and the other CBs? Would it be better to wait till the 49th pick to nab one?

I do think we should wait until the 2nd, as we will likely find a greater value there. The chances that one of the top corners falls out of the first to us is quite high.

I could see McCourty or Patrick Robinson being there, and even if they're not, we should have players such as Ghee, Owusu-Ansah (a fantastic returner as well), and Dominique Franks still available.


Originally posted by Niners23:
Thanks for the quick reply! I also am getting very enamored with Ansah, do you think he would even make it to our 3rd round pick, and if not, are we reaching if we take him at 49?

At this point, I really don't think so. Too much talent, production, raw physical ability, and upside. I honestly wouldn't be too surprised to see him as a "shock pick" at the end of the 1st round.

[ Edited by OnTheClock on Mar 29, 2010 at 13:46:52 ]
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Butter:
OTC, love the list. Thanks for all your hard work.

I have really gotten fixated on taking a CB at #17. I like Wilson because of his return ability, but based on your rankings the 4th rated CB might be a little high for 17.

What is your analysis of Wilson and the other CBs? Would it be better to wait till the 49th pick to nab one?

I do think we should wait until the 2nd, as we will likely find a greater value there. The chances that one of the top corners falls out of the first to us is quite high.

I could see McCourty or Patrick Robinson being there, and even if they're not, we should have players such as Ghee, Owusu-Ansah (a fantastic returner as well), and Dominique Franks still available.


Originally posted by Niners23:
Thanks for the quick reply! I also am getting very enamored with Ansah, do you think he would even make it to our 3rd round pick, and if not, are we reaching if we take him at 49?

At this point, I really don't think so. Too much talent, production, raw physical ability, and upside. I honestly wouldn't be too surprised to see him as a "shock pick" at the end of the 1st round.

Someone like Ansah would be perfect imho, at least the sound of him. I don't think the Niners are ready to shelf their current CB's for a rookie. I'm always a little hesitant to leave a rookie out on an island against seasoned NFL WR's anyways.

Drafting a return specialist/CB, giving them time in the nickle/dime packages seems like a smart way to proceed to me. I agree that nabbing one at 49 would likely be the best value.
Originally posted by Butter:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Butter:
OTC, love the list. Thanks for all your hard work.

I have really gotten fixated on taking a CB at #17. I like Wilson because of his return ability, but based on your rankings the 4th rated CB might be a little high for 17.

What is your analysis of Wilson and the other CBs? Would it be better to wait till the 49th pick to nab one?

I do think we should wait until the 2nd, as we will likely find a greater value there. The chances that one of the top corners falls out of the first to us is quite high.

I could see McCourty or Patrick Robinson being there, and even if they're not, we should have players such as Ghee, Owusu-Ansah (a fantastic returner as well), and Dominique Franks still available.


Originally posted by Niners23:
Thanks for the quick reply! I also am getting very enamored with Ansah, do you think he would even make it to our 3rd round pick, and if not, are we reaching if we take him at 49?

At this point, I really don't think so. Too much talent, production, raw physical ability, and upside. I honestly wouldn't be too surprised to see him as a "shock pick" at the end of the 1st round.

Someone like Ansah would be perfect imho, at least the sound of him. I don't think the Niners are ready to shelf their current CB's for a rookie. I'm always a little hesitant to leave a rookie out on an island against seasoned NFL WR's anyways.

Drafting a return specialist/CB, giving them time in the nickle/dime packages seems like a smart way to proceed to me. I agree that nabbing one at 49 would likely be the best value.

Absolutely. I would be ecstatic to land Akwasi. He could gradually be worked in, but at the same time, if he had to start, I think he would have the talent to do a good job if the situation called for him to receive significant time at corner.
Another question for you OTC, which safety that would be available in rounds 3 and above do you think would be the best ball hawk at FS, and who would be the best replacement for Lewis at SS in those rounds as well?
OTC:
Did you do a list for punt returners and kick returners? Just a hypothetical question. If we were to draft Spiller/Gilyard/Ford/Owusu-Ansah would it be wise to pick someone like T. Holliday/L. Vann as a low round backup?
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
OTC:
Did you do a list for punt returners and kick returners? Just a hypothetical question. If we were to draft Spiller/Gilyard/Ford/Owusu-Ansah would it be wise to pick someone like T. Holliday/L. Vann as a low round backup?

I did not do a list for PR/KR, since I noted player-by-player which individuals had return ability. A list for "Pure kick returners" would be rather short.

I see Vann and Holiday as Pure Returners, who wouldn't have a large role outside of utility/trick plays and return duties.

It would certainly be wise to have some insurance, but I think if we drafted a pure specialist -- They would be the starting returner, with the others you mentioned: Spiller/Gilyard/Ford, etc. being the back-up return men, possibly splitting the duties, but likely spending more time focusing on their true positions, obviously.


Originally posted by Niners23:
Another question for you OTC, which safety that would be available in rounds 3 and above do you think would be the best ball hawk at FS, and who would be the best replacement for Lewis at SS in those rounds as well?

When you say Round 3 and above, do you mean earlier or later? I'll give you my top guys overall as far as "Ball-hawking" players.

Top 3 "Ballhawks" (out of those likely to be available to us):
Nate Allen
Morgan Burnett
Robert Johnson.

Favorite SS Prospects to Supplant Lewis:
Reshad Jones - Devastating hitter, outstanding form tackler, ballhawk.
Darrell Stuckey - Smart, instinctive, and possesses good speed. Strong in run support.