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4ML's March Mock (trade up to get Berry)

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1. Rams: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma - Unless they trade for a franchise QB before the draft, they are most likely to draft a QB here. Bradford makes the most sense.

2. Lions: Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska - They will look at McCoy closely, but you gotta stop All Day. Okung may also be an option, but can't pass up on Suh.

3. Bucs: Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma - Easy decision. Perfect Cover-2 DT

4. Redskins: Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State - They pass on Clausen but get their franchise LT.

5. Chiefs: Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers - They need help in the secondary, but their QB can't take another year of beating.

6. Seahawks: Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame - They get their franchise QB. Matt is almost done.

7. Browns: Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State - You can't expect much out of your QBs if you don't have a WR. Browns fans expect better offense with Holmgren running the show.

8. Raiders: Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland - Who the hell cares how fast an OT can run 40 yards???? Al Davis!

9. Bills: Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa - Bills finally address LT after trading Peters last year.

10. Jags: (trade with 49ers 1st + 4th) - 49ers: Eric Berry, S, Tennessee - I know many feel he can't fall this far, but not many safeties get drafted in top 10, and this year the top of the draft is very very strong. I truly believe Berry has a pretty good chance of falling to 10.

11. Broncos: Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee - You need a NT to run a 3-4, and now they have one. A little reach, but Ron Fields can't be the solution.

12. Dolphins: Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida - With Jason Taylor and Porter pretty much done in Miami, it's time to add a pass-rusher. Parcells love drafting LBs.

13. 49ers: (trade with Jags 1st + 4th) Jags: Joe Haden, CB, Florida - Haden will run a good 40 on pro-day and return to the top 10 conversation. Jags get a steal.

14. Seahawks: Taylor Mays, S, USC - With no LT available, Seahawks look to improve D. Carroll believes he timed Mays right, and drafts his guy.

15. Giants: Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama - McClain fills a huge need in the middle. Perfect replacement for Pierce. Makes too much sense.

16. Titans: Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech - A perfect 4-3 DE. With Jason Jones on the inside and Morgan on the outside, the Titans will expect to get after the opposing QB often.

17. 49ers: Trent Williams, RT, Oklahoma - I still see him only as a RT, but we are set at LT for next few years, so it's a great fit. Adding him next to Chilo will provide balance to our OL. Iupati will also be a consideration here.

Rd. 2 - Ricky Sapp, OLB, Clemson - Even if Lawson pans out this year, you can never have too many pass-rushers. Sapp, Lawson, Haralson, and Brooks give us a lot of fire-power to rattle the young QBs in our division.

Rd. 3 - Andre Roberts, WR/PR, The Citadel - A perfect slot WR who can return punts as well.

Rd. 4 - traded to Jags

Rd. 5 - Jay Ross, NT, East Carolina
Rd. 6 - Shawn Lauvao, OG, Arizona State
Rd. 7 - John Conner, FB, Kentucky

edit: I want Spiller as much as the next guy, but looking at Scot's history, it is unlikely that he drafts Spiller.

[ Edited by 49ersMyLife on Mar 3, 2010 at 20:14:17 ]
49ers brass clearly stated they want to have multiple guys being able to return kicks/punts and I'm afraid this draft doesn't meet that criteria. Can't see them waiting until their 3rd rounder to get someone when this draft is clearly stacked in the first two rounds. Don't expect 49ers to even consider Sproles if this mock had an UFA attached to it...next mock please :)
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Originally posted by bergy07:
49ers brass clearly stated they want to have multiple guys being able to return kicks/punts and I'm afraid this draft doesn't meet that criteria. Can't see them waiting until their 3rd rounder to get someone when this draft is clearly stacked in the first two rounds. Don't expect 49ers to even consider Sproles if this mock had an UFA attached to it...next mock please :)

You don't draft kick returners in first couple rounds, unless you have someone of Hester's capability and team has very few needs. We don't have the luxury to draft multiple guys who can return punts. I understand the coaching staff will want that, but they can't have everything they want. We need pass-rush, we need OL help, we need a safety.

With no salary cap, and most of the good players being restricted FAs, I doubt we will be active in FA .
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10. Jags: (trade with 49ers 1st + 4th) - 49ers: Eric Berry, S, Tennessee - I know many feel he can't fall this far, but not many safeties get drafted in top 10, and this year the top of the draft is very very strong. I truly believe Berry has a pretty good chance of falling to 10.

There's always a Safety that gets drafted in the top 10. Doubt Berry gets outta the top 7.
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
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10. Jags: (trade with 49ers 1st + 4th) - 49ers: Eric Berry, S, Tennessee - I know many feel he can't fall this far, but not many safeties get drafted in top 10, and this year the top of the draft is very very strong. I truly believe Berry has a pretty good chance of falling to 10.

There's always a Safety that gets drafted in the top 10. Doubt Berry gets outta the top 7.

Last two years - no safety were drafted in top 10. In the last 15 years - only 4 years a safety was drafted in top 10.

Skins drafted - Sean Taylor and Landry
Oakland drafted - Huff
Bills drafted - Whitner
Cowboys - Roy Williams

5 safeties have gone in top 10 in last 15 years. Safeties are cheap in FA (relatively) and therefore GMs tend to look at positions like OT, QB, DE, DT, CB early on in the draft.

[ Edited by 49ersMyLife on Mar 3, 2010 at 21:28:58 ]
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
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10. Jags: (trade with 49ers 1st + 4th) - 49ers: Eric Berry, S, Tennessee - I know many feel he can't fall this far, but not many safeties get drafted in top 10, and this year the top of the draft is very very strong. I truly believe Berry has a pretty good chance of falling to 10.

There's always a Safety that gets drafted in the top 10. Doubt Berry gets outta the top 7.

Last two years - no safety were drafted in top 10. In the last 15 years - only 4 years a safety was drafted in top 10.

Skins drafted - Sean Taylor and Landry
Oakland drafted - Huff
Bills drafted - Whitner
Cowboys - Roy Williams

5 safeties have gone in top 10 in last 15 years. Safeties are cheap in FA (relatively) and therefore GMs tend to look at positions like OT, QB, DE, DT, CB early on in the draft.

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Would love to get Berry, getting a specialist RT as well would complete this draft, already getting an A from the 1st round alone.

I don't know about you, but I would be more inclined to try and trade a 3rd or 4th in next year's draft. This draft class is very deep and we could still pick up some talent in the 4th.
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Berry's going to be a special player but this draft is loaded with safeties in my opinion. Our O-line is the worst. Maybe if he played both sides of the ball...;)
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Originally posted by bergy07:
49ers brass clearly stated they want to have multiple guys being able to return kicks/punts and I'm afraid this draft doesn't meet that criteria. Can't see them waiting until their 3rd rounder to get someone when this draft is clearly stacked in the first two rounds. Don't expect 49ers to even consider Sproles if this mock had an UFA attached to it...next mock please :)

This draft is also clearly stacked with returners also available in rounds 3-7 as well. And a load of teams have gonna about finding guys in those rounds. 2 of the NFL's best Leon Washington and Darren Sproles who both fit the returner mold and speedy change of pace back we need were mid round picks.
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Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
1. Rams: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma - Unless they trade for a franchise QB before the draft, they are most likely to draft a QB here. Bradford makes the most sense.

2. Lions: Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska - They will look at McCoy closely, but you gotta stop All Day. Okung may also be an option, but can't pass up on Suh.

3. Bucs: Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma - Easy decision. Perfect Cover-2 DT

4. Redskins: Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State - They pass on Clausen but get their franchise LT.

5. Chiefs: Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers - They need help in the secondary, but their QB can't take another year of beating.

6. Seahawks: Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame - They get their franchise QB. Matt is almost done.

7. Browns: Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State - You can't expect much out of your QBs if you don't have a WR. Browns fans expect better offense with Holmgren running the show.

8. Raiders: Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland - Who the hell cares how fast an OT can run 40 yards???? Al Davis!

9. Bills: Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa - Bills finally address LT after trading Peters last year.

10. Jags: (trade with 49ers 1st + 4th) - 49ers: Eric Berry, S, Tennessee - I know many feel he can't fall this far, but not many safeties get drafted in top 10, and this year the top of the draft is very very strong. I truly believe Berry has a pretty good chance of falling to 10.

11. Broncos: Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee - You need a NT to run a 3-4, and now they have one. A little reach, but Ron Fields can't be the solution.

12. Dolphins: Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida - With Jason Taylor and Porter pretty much done in Miami, it's time to add a pass-rusher. Parcells love drafting LBs.

13. 49ers: (trade with Jags 1st + 4th) Jags: Joe Haden, CB, Florida - Haden will run a good 40 on pro-day and return to the top 10 conversation. Jags get a steal.


Personally I see the top 13 in a similar fashion but I think KC would go with Bryan Bulaga before Anthony Davis (Pioli would get the ringing endorsement from buddy Kirk Ferentz). KC could also take Berry, JPP or reach for McClain.

Cleveland would take Berry over Bryant due to Dez's character concerns however Jacksonville desperate for a playmaker would take Dez.

Solid effort as always though
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
1. Rams: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma - Unless they trade for a franchise QB before the draft, they are most likely to draft a QB here. Bradford makes the most sense.

2. Lions: Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska - They will look at McCoy closely, but you gotta stop All Day. Okung may also be an option, but can't pass up on Suh.

3. Bucs: Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma - Easy decision. Perfect Cover-2 DT

4. Redskins: Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State - They pass on Clausen but get their franchise LT.

5. Chiefs: Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers - They need help in the secondary, but their QB can't take another year of beating.

6. Seahawks: Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame - They get their franchise QB. Matt is almost done.

7. Browns: Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State - You can't expect much out of your QBs if you don't have a WR. Browns fans expect better offense with Holmgren running the show.

8. Raiders: Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland - Who the hell cares how fast an OT can run 40 yards???? Al Davis!

9. Bills: Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa - Bills finally address LT after trading Peters last year.

10. Jags: (trade with 49ers 1st + 4th) - 49ers: Eric Berry, S, Tennessee - I know many feel he can't fall this far, but not many safeties get drafted in top 10, and this year the top of the draft is very very strong. I truly believe Berry has a pretty good chance of falling to 10.

11. Broncos: Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee - You need a NT to run a 3-4, and now they have one. A little reach, but Ron Fields can't be the solution.

12. Dolphins: Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida - With Jason Taylor and Porter pretty much done in Miami, it's time to add a pass-rusher. Parcells love drafting LBs.

13. 49ers: (trade with Jags 1st + 4th) Jags: Joe Haden, CB, Florida - Haden will run a good 40 on pro-day and return to the top 10 conversation. Jags get a steal.


Personally I see the top 13 in a similar fashion but I think KC would go with Bryan Bulaga before Anthony Davis (Pioli would get the ringing endorsement from buddy Kirk Ferentz). KC could also take Berry, JPP or reach for McClain.

Cleveland would take Berry over Bryant due to Dez's character concerns however Jacksonville desperate for a playmaker would take Dez.

Solid effort as always though

i didnt know dez has character concern howeever i do think they could go after berry because their secondary is but i can see them take a case for taking dez bryant because they would want to see what they have with quinn and they do not have a number 1 reciever i see them going either way
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Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
1. Rams: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma - Unless they trade for a franchise QB before the draft, they are most likely to draft a QB here. Bradford makes the most sense.

2. Lions: Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska - They will look at McCoy closely, but you gotta stop All Day. Okung may also be an option, but can't pass up on Suh.

3. Bucs: Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma - Easy decision. Perfect Cover-2 DT

4. Redskins: Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State - They pass on Clausen but get their franchise LT.

5. Chiefs: Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers - They need help in the secondary, but their QB can't take another year of beating.

6. Seahawks: Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame - They get their franchise QB. Matt is almost done.

7. Browns: Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State - You can't expect much out of your QBs if you don't have a WR. Browns fans expect better offense with Holmgren running the show.

8. Raiders: Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland - Who the hell cares how fast an OT can run 40 yards???? Al Davis!

9. Bills: Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa - Bills finally address LT after trading Peters last year.

10. Jags: (trade with 49ers 1st + 4th) - 49ers: Eric Berry, S, Tennessee - I know many feel he can't fall this far, but not many safeties get drafted in top 10, and this year the top of the draft is very very strong. I truly believe Berry has a pretty good chance of falling to 10.

11. Broncos: Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee - You need a NT to run a 3-4, and now they have one. A little reach, but Ron Fields can't be the solution.

12. Dolphins: Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida - With Jason Taylor and Porter pretty much done in Miami, it's time to add a pass-rusher. Parcells love drafting LBs.

13. 49ers: (trade with Jags 1st + 4th) Jags: Joe Haden, CB, Florida - Haden will run a good 40 on pro-day and return to the top 10 conversation. Jags get a steal.


Personally I see the top 13 in a similar fashion but I think KC would go with Bryan Bulaga before Anthony Davis (Pioli would get the ringing endorsement from buddy Kirk Ferentz). KC could also take Berry, JPP or reach for McClain.

Cleveland would take Berry over Bryant due to Dez's character concerns however Jacksonville desperate for a playmaker would take Dez.

Solid effort as always though

i didnt know dez has character concern howeever i do think they could go after berry because their secondary is but i can see them take a case for taking dez bryant because they would want to see what they have with quinn and they do not have a number 1 reciever i see them going either way

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Bryant a long shot? A league source said it would be risky for the Browns to draft Oklahoma State receiver Dez Bryant with their No. 7 pick.

"He could be more of a headache for them than Braylon Edwards was," the source said.

Mayock said during a conference call last week that the Browns should take Bryant at No. 7 if he's there, but it's doubtful that will happen. Bryant, who was suspended 10 games for lying to investigators about his dealings with Sanders, doesn't fit the profile of the high-character players sought by Eric Mangini and Mike Holmgren.

In fact, three sources told Jason Cole of Yahoo Sports that Bryant is irresponsible.

"I wouldn't draft that kid unless I had someone to wake him up in the morning to get to meetings, someone to wake him up for practice and someone to wake him up for games," one source told Cole.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/03/browns_insider_hadens_slow_40.html
The Browns won't pass on Berry. That is about the greatest lock I can give the board in this draft.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
1. Rams: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma - Unless they trade for a franchise QB before the draft, they are most likely to draft a QB here. Bradford makes the most sense.

2. Lions: Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska - They will look at McCoy closely, but you gotta stop All Day. Okung may also be an option, but can't pass up on Suh.

3. Bucs: Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma - Easy decision. Perfect Cover-2 DT

4. Redskins: Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State - They pass on Clausen but get their franchise LT.

5. Chiefs: Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers - They need help in the secondary, but their QB can't take another year of beating.

6. Seahawks: Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame - They get their franchise QB. Matt is almost done.

7. Browns: Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State - You can't expect much out of your QBs if you don't have a WR. Browns fans expect better offense with Holmgren running the show.

8. Raiders: Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland - Who the hell cares how fast an OT can run 40 yards???? Al Davis!

9. Bills: Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa - Bills finally address LT after trading Peters last year.

10. Jags: (trade with 49ers 1st + 4th) - 49ers: Eric Berry, S, Tennessee - I know many feel he can't fall this far, but not many safeties get drafted in top 10, and this year the top of the draft is very very strong. I truly believe Berry has a pretty good chance of falling to 10.

11. Broncos: Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee - You need a NT to run a 3-4, and now they have one. A little reach, but Ron Fields can't be the solution.

12. Dolphins: Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida - With Jason Taylor and Porter pretty much done in Miami, it's time to add a pass-rusher. Parcells love drafting LBs.

13. 49ers: (trade with Jags 1st + 4th) Jags: Joe Haden, CB, Florida - Haden will run a good 40 on pro-day and return to the top 10 conversation. Jags get a steal.


Personally I see the top 13 in a similar fashion but I think KC would go with Bryan Bulaga before Anthony Davis (Pioli would get the ringing endorsement from buddy Kirk Ferentz). KC could also take Berry, JPP or reach for McClain.

Cleveland would take Berry over Bryant due to Dez's character concerns however Jacksonville desperate for a playmaker would take Dez.

Solid effort as always though

i didnt know dez has character concern howeever i do think they could go after berry because their secondary is but i can see them take a case for taking dez bryant because they would want to see what they have with quinn and they do not have a number 1 reciever i see them going either way

Quote:
Bryant a long shot? A league source said it would be risky for the Browns to draft Oklahoma State receiver Dez Bryant with their No. 7 pick.

"He could be more of a headache for them than Braylon Edwards was," the source said.

Mayock said during a conference call last week that the Browns should take Bryant at No. 7 if he's there, but it's doubtful that will happen. Bryant, who was suspended 10 games for lying to investigators about his dealings with Sanders, doesn't fit the profile of the high-character players sought by Eric Mangini and Mike Holmgren.

In fact, three sources told Jason Cole of Yahoo Sports that Bryant is irresponsible.

"I wouldn't draft that kid unless I had someone to wake him up in the morning to get to meetings, someone to wake him up for practice and someone to wake him up for games," one source told Cole.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/03/browns_insider_hadens_slow_40.html

O I knew about the suspension thts just being stupid but I don't think he has off the field issues or any issues with coaches or qbs