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Pat Kirwan's 1st Mock-Post Combine

Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Mays is not anywhere near as bad as he is made out to be on this board. Every single year the WZ falls in love with a player and in hate with a player for the draft.

This year it's these.


Love: CJ Spiller.


Hate: Taylor Mays.


Everywhere in the U.S. other than the 49ersWZ Mays is a consensus 1st round pick and a super rare athlete. He wouldn't make a team worse. He would in fact make any team better.

That would be because Spiller not only showed his stuff and the combine but actually was a star on the field in college. Mays? Not so much when it counted.

How was Mays not good in College?


He was a FS who got 2 INTs in the last 3 years and he's horrible in coverage. He's pretty much a younger version of Michael Lewis with better straight line speed. But he's not great laterally or anything, he doesn't cover well. He's going to be a lot like Roy Williams. I'd much rather have a guy like Earl Thomas who PRODUCED in college (8 INTs last year) or Berry(14 career INTs) if we're taking a FS in the first, not that Berry will be available but ET might. If those guys are on the board when we pick, if JPP or Brandon Graham are on the board or Golden Tate and we already have our RT I'd take any of them over Mays.

See, this is the ignorance im talkin about. USC's defense this year didn't play with a Free and Strong Safety. Mays played essentially a center fielder, rover type coverage. It's difficult to get picks when youre asked to cover....everything. It just so happens that he also dips down into the box a lot, thus the nearly 100 tackles.

Mays isnt being drafted to be any teams FREE Safety, he'll be a teams heckuva STRONG Safety.

I compare Mays most accurately to Adrian Wilson. A big time hitter with tons of athletic ability. Somewhat limited in coverage-but thats not his job. So i ask you, wouldnt you take the second coming of adrian wilson with 4.3 speed @ 17???? I sure as heck would.


If he is the next coming of Wilson

Then Mike Iupati is the next coming of Larry allen

and Dez is the next coming of Jerry Rice.....
I'd rather pass on Mays and get JPP. Then no one will complain about the Niners not having a pass rush.
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Mays is not anywhere near as bad as he is made out to be on this board. Every single year the WZ falls in love with a player and in hate with a player for the draft.

This year it's these.


Love: CJ Spiller.


Hate: Taylor Mays.


Everywhere in the U.S. other than the 49ersWZ Mays is a consensus 1st round pick and a super rare athlete. He wouldn't make a team worse. He would in fact make any team better.

That would be because Spiller not only showed his stuff and the combine but actually was a star on the field in college. Mays? Not so much when it counted.

How was Mays not good in College?


He was a FS who got 2 INTs in the last 3 years and he's horrible in coverage. He's pretty much a younger version of Michael Lewis with better straight line speed. But he's not great laterally or anything, he doesn't cover well. He's going to be a lot like Roy Williams. I'd much rather have a guy like Earl Thomas who PRODUCED in college (8 INTs last year) or Berry(14 career INTs) if we're taking a FS in the first, not that Berry will be available but ET might. If those guys are on the board when we pick, if JPP or Brandon Graham are on the board or Golden Tate and we already have our RT I'd take any of them over Mays.

See, this is the ignorance im talkin about. USC's defense this year didn't play with a Free and Strong Safety. Mays played essentially a center fielder, rover type coverage. It's difficult to get picks when youre asked to cover....everything. It just so happens that he also dips down into the box a lot, thus the nearly 100 tackles.

Mays isnt being drafted to be any teams FREE Safety, he'll be a teams heckuva STRONG Safety.

I compare Mays most accurately to Adrian Wilson. A big time hitter with tons of athletic ability. Somewhat limited in coverage-but thats not his job. So i ask you, wouldnt you take the second coming of adrian wilson with 4.3 speed @ 17???? I sure as heck would.


If he is the next coming of Wilson

Then Mike Iupati is the next coming of Larry allen

and Dez is the next coming of Jerry Rice.....

no sir, thats crabtree, Dez can be Michael Irvin or Tim Brown.
In today's NFL, teams practically need two free safeties. No to Mays. I'm curious to know how Reggie Smith and Taylor measured up to Mays when they were in the draft.

If Heittman really isn't hiding in the crowd, then we have three areas of need on the OL: RG LG RT. For once, I want an offense that can dictate the front line. Our DBs will look like Gold if Ahmad Brooks can continue what he started. You can't pin the Brandon Moore label on him as Brooks is a freak of an athlete which Moore was not.

Let us begin to finally balance our team rather than stacking the defensive backfield.
Well be picking BPA in the first round. Is Mays as a player better than Iupati as a player? Mays seems to be the third best safety in this draft. Iupati the best Gaurd. both seem projected to be picked in the 12-25 range.

I find it hard to see us passing up Iupati for Mays when the tape doesnt lie.
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
burn this draft
More and more, I am liking Graham after watching more of the SB practices and game where he simply dominated a very good class of OTs. The dude is a beast and is a definite improvement to Manny or Parys and maybe even Brooks.

A Brooks/Graham tandem looks really good!

I would take Graham over Mays any day of the year!
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I wouldn't be surprise if Scotty takes Mays at 17. Fits his draft philosophy.
to set the record straight...

i dont think there is ANYONE who doesnt want us to draft Taylor Mays...
i just think there are A LOT of us who feel he isn't good enough to draft in the 1st,
where he will almost surely get drafted.

here's why many of us feel he doesnt warrant 1st round consideration:

many of us have witnessed all that size, speed n athleticism fly all over the field,
and many times he'll fly to make a hit on a receiver coming across the middle...
only to discover the ball was thrown past him to a receiver on the outside.
then we watch all that size speed and athleticism try to turn around and catch up
to a guy racing into the endzone...

if you are gonna say this didnt happen many times his past 2 years at USC,
than either you didnt watch him as much as you say you did, or...
you're too obsessed with measureables too see he's not a 1st rd football player.

IF i were to take him in the 1st round, it would only be because i watched ALL
of his game film (from the all 22 perspective, not TV angles) and reviewed the
troubling tendancies with him, and spoke with his secondary and/or D coaches,
and they both convinced me that he was playing his responsibilities 95% of
the time, and made the right reads. cuz from an educated TV viewers perspective,
he made FAR TOO MANY MISREADS!!!
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Mays is not anywhere near as bad as he is made out to be on this board. Every single year the WZ falls in love with a player and in hate with a player for the draft.

This year it's these.


Love: CJ Spiller.


Hate: Taylor Mays.


Everywhere in the U.S. other than the 49ersWZ Mays is a consensus 1st round pick and a super rare athlete. He wouldn't make a team worse. He would in fact make any team better.

SD,

I respect your knowledge and opinion very much, and over the years we have argued on the same side much more often than not, but I have to disagree with you on Mays.

Mays is big, strong, fast, and hard hitting: the prototypical strong safety. He is not fluid with great ball-hawking skills (this last according to the media types who interview the actually knowledgeable people at the combine and elsewhere). This impression is backed up by his college production: he's only had five interceptions for his entire college career-two over his last three seasons!

We already have Goldson ( a poor man's Mays, imo) and I believe Mays is an NFL strong safety, not a free safety. I'd spend a first round pick on a free safety who I would project for 5+ INT's per season. I wouldn't spend a first round pick for a strong safety.

I don't hate Mays. I just don't think he showed the skills in college to justify taking him in the first round.

Spiller scored early, often, and in four different ways in college. Fifty touchdowns is a lot. I like it!
Originally posted by abowers1984:
Just hoping for Jerry Hughes to slip to us in the 2nd or for us to trade up and grab him... Trent Williams and Iupati in the 1st with Hughes in the 2nd and maybe Demarius Thomas in the 3rd would make me a very happy man.

This of course is assuming that Berry doesnt stand a chance and making it to us in the 1st.

dream scenario
if we pass on lupati
can anyone explain me why everyone would suddenly draft bradford over clausen???
I thought that we are talking about a system-qb with a damaged shoulder out of a college full of talents (at least good receivers back in 08 and a good o-line, too), who didnt play almost the whole last season.
I hated the idea of Mays early on too. But I'm beginning to reconsider. He would have been top 10 if he came out last year. Big guy, big hitter, fast, and we need a SS. I guess the question is can he cover well enough. I don't know. Scot will have to figure that one out.
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Originally posted by ninertico:
1. St. Louis Rams
Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
This is a QB driven league and if the Rams don't trade for a QB in free agency or move down in the draft, Bradford is this year's Matthew Stafford. At 6-foot-4 ΒΌ and 236 pounds, he could be a franchise QB.

2. Detroit Lions
Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
He is impressive on tape, he put on a show at the combine, and he will be Jim Schwartz' answer to his days in Tennessee, when Albert Haynesworth dominated the line of scrimmage.

3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
The Bucs have returned to the Monte Kiffin style 4-3 defense, and McCoy can do many of the things Warren Sapp did back in the glory days of Tampa's defense.

4. Washington Redskins
Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
Chris Samuels is expected to announce his retirement this week, leaving a glaring hole at left tackle. But I do wonder if the 'Skins want to move up for Bradford.

5. Kansas City Chiefs
Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
Chiefs GM Scott Pioli wants high character guys, and Bulaga fits the bill. He was coached by one of Pioli's friends in the business, Kirk Ferentz.

6. Seattle Seahawks
Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
With Matt Hasselbeck's health and age now becoming a concern, the Seahawks need a QB of the future. And with two picks in the first round of new coach Pete Carroll's initial draft, now is the time to pull the trigger.

7. Cleveland Browns
Joe Haden, CB, Florida
The Browns have 11 picks in this draft and should come out of this process with a number of starters. A corner to plug in right away is a necessity.

8. Oakland Raiders
Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
Raiders owner Al Davis loves big linemen and has a special place for East Coast guys. Anthony Davis impressed at the combine and needs a push to reach his full potential. Tom Cable is an offensive line coach by trade and can get the most out of this guy.

9. Buffalo Bills
Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama
Buffalo can build the defense around McClain, especially since they are headed to a 3-4. He can play inside or outside.

10. Jacksonville Jaguars
Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
Berry can play anywhere in the secondary, which means he can match up well on division foes Dallas Clark or Andre Johnson.

11. Denver Broncos
Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
The Broncos aren't abandoning the 3-4 defense, but they need bigger people up front. Williams can two-gap or penetrate, and is just what they need, either as a nose tackle or in 5 techniques.

12. Miami Dolphins
Earl Thomas, S, Texas
The Dolphins had two fine rookie corners last year but really need a safety who can play coverage. Right now they play with two strong safety types. Thomas can also demonstrate corner skills and match up with the slot wide receivers, like Wes Welker, in their division.

13. San Francisco 49ers
Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
The Niners need a tackle to play opposite Joe Staley if they want to keep pounding Frank Gore and protect Alex Smith. After drafting a guy like Williams, they can figure out who is left and right.

14. Seattle Seahawks
C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
This draft's version of the Titans' Chris Johnson. Pete Carroll always had a matchup back like Reggie Bush at USC, and Spiller could touch the ball 20 times a game as a rookie when you factor in his return skills.

15. New York Giants
Sergio Kindle, LB, Texas
The Giants need linebacker help in the worst way, and Kindle can do it all. If he is gone at this point in the draft, they could turn to Sean Weatherspoon.

16. Tennessee Titans
Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
The Titans always seem to build around defense, and without Kyle Vanden Bosch or Jevon Kearse Tennessee will like Morgan's production in 2009 when he had 12.5 sacks, 18.5 tackles for loss and two forced fumbles.

17. San Francisco 49ers
Taylor Mays, S, USC
A rare athlete who will bring a presence to the 49ers' secondary.

18. Pittsburgh Steelers
Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
The Steelers could take a serious look at G/OT Mike Iupati, but in the end they need the best corner on the board.

19. Atlanta Falcons
Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida
Hard to take a one-year wonder in the first round, but this guy is passing the eye-ball test and has the potential to be very good.

20. Houston Texans
Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
The Texans will never win the division if they don't have the secondary to match up with the Colts' receivers. Dunta Robinson is leaving in free agency and must be replaced.

21. Cincinnati Bengals
Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame
Tate ran a sub 4.3 40 on a lot of scouts' watches at the combine (although officially he ran 4.42). The former running back is a high character guy who had 93 catches last year for 16.1 yards per reception and 15 touchdowns. Carson Palmer needs a deep threat with the passing of the late Chris Henry.

22. New England Patriots
Brandon Graham, LB, Michigan
The Patriots need a pass rush, and they love smart outside linebacker candidates for their 3-4 defense. Belichick likes to jump into a 4-3 look occasionally, and Graham can do that as well. Graham had 29.5 sacks and 56 tackles for loss at Michigan.

23. Green Bay Packers
Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
Iupati is a versatile lineman with a lot of intensity. He could wind up playing anywhere along the front, but left guard would be ideal.

24. Philadelphia Eagles
Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Missouri
This guy has character, athletic ability, the football IQ to play in the middle, and he impressed at the combine. He finished his college career with more than 400 tackles, 43.5 tackles for loss, 12.5 sacks, and 18 passes defensed.

25. Baltimore Ravens
Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
A talented receiver with some baggage, though. The Ravens locker room could take care of Bryant, and this team needs a playmaker for QB Joe Flacco.

26. Arizona Cardinals
Charles Brown, OT, USC
The Cardinals need linebacker help and could look at a guy like Ricky Sapp, but they also lost their starting left tackle, Mike Gandy. And Brown looked better than most of the tackles at the combine.

27. Dallas Cowboys
Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
Campbell is a major project, and a team with an older starting left tackle who won't need to put Campbell in immediately should take a chance on this athlete. If Campbell has to play early, though, this experiment would be a disaster. The Cowboys like their linemen big, and someday he could replace Flozell Adams.

28. San Diego Chargers
Ryan Mathews, RB, Fresno State
LaDainian Tomlinson is gone and Darren Sproles is testing free agency. Matthews needs work in the passing game, but he is a work-horse back who had 3,280 yards and 39 touchdowns as a Bulldog, and who ran a 4.41 40 at the combine.

29. New York Jets
Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State
Odrick has the size to play anywhere along the defensive line. He's a high character guy, and the Jets have some age up front.

30. Minnesota Vikings
Brian Price, DT, UCLA
Pat Williams isn't getting any younger, and Price is a very disruptive force inside. The Vikings need corner help but can find it in the next round or free agency (Dunta Robinson or Leigh Bodden).

31. Indianapolis Colts
Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida
If the Colts lose middle linebacker Gary Brackett, then things could change at this pick. But Pouncey is the best center in this draft, and Jeff Saturday can't play forever.

32. New Orleans Saints
Jerry Hughes, LB, TCU
The Saints could go in a number of different directions here, but Hughes brings pass rush and the athletic ability to play linebacker.

--WWW.NFL.COM

I knew it! They are all going to peg Mays for us, watch.

Don't listen Scotty...cover your ears!

FYI...Chris Samuels did retire today. I think Shanny and the Skins are going to take Clausen. If he is good enough for the 6 spot as in this mock, he is good enough for any of the previous 5. Unless Seattle trades up for a QB (doubtful) I think they take a tackle.

[ Edited by Blitz on Mar 4, 2010 at 15:17:43 ]
Taylor Mays hate Lol


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