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The Official Draft Two Offensive Linemen in the first round thread.

Originally posted by stevenking57:
Originally posted by tomahawksmith:
absolutely the best draft yet...football is a brawl first...fast guys only succeed with good blocking
I like the way you think!
WOW...I agree! Lets pull the trigger!!!
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Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Walsh:
RT is a need but is an upgraded guard going to get Gore a few extra yards a run? I'm not so sure when every team we play puts 8 in the box. I think we take that 2nd #1 and use it on a DB/CB or passrusher.

Ghost is right. Investing in 2 Olinemen, it's like putting some cheap plastic jewelry in a million dollar safe. What's the point?

Chicken and egg. I think you are wrong about Smith, but if you are right, do we wait until we have a first rate qb before we then go out and get him some protection? Duh!

Or do we say, this is not a classic year for qb's although next year may be. But there are some excellent tackles, probably our weakest position. Let's get our line sorted and if Smith doesn't prosper we can draft his replacement and bring him along behind a line which will be developing towards excellence

On Smith, I'm exaggerating to make the point. I'm actually fine with him for 1 more season and I don't think he's terrible just middling or average. I don't think he warrants 2 first rounders for protection though.

We have 2 #1's. I think we take a RT with our first pick rather than go BPA and then RT. Why risk missing the guy you want? Maybe he even wins Staley's spot. But I'd rather we get our guard in the 3rd or 4th round. Like it or not, Baas is here for one more season. We still don't have a dominant passrusher and we're thin at corner. Not to mention Lewis is one concussion away from retirement. Who is his replacement? Our pass defense is in the bottom third of the league.

If we really want to help Smith, then he needs some weapons for the shotgun. We should spend a 2nd on a receiver with some return ability. Walker doesn't do enough and our FA Jones looks like he's made of glass.
Originally posted by Walsh:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Walsh:
RT is a need but is an upgraded guard going to get Gore a few extra yards a run? I'm not so sure when every team we play puts 8 in the box. I think we take that 2nd #1 and use it on a DB/CB or passrusher.

Ghost is right. Investing in 2 Olinemen, it's like putting some cheap plastic jewelry in a million dollar safe. What's the point?

Chicken and egg. I think you are wrong about Smith, but if you are right, do we wait until we have a first rate qb before we then go out and get him some protection? Duh!

Or do we say, this is not a classic year for qb's although next year may be. But there are some excellent tackles, probably our weakest position. Let's get our line sorted and if Smith doesn't prosper we can draft his replacement and bring him along behind a line which will be developing towards excellence

On Smith, I'm exaggerating to make the point. I'm actually fine with him for 1 more season and I don't think he's terrible just middling or average. I don't think he warrants 2 first rounders for protection though.

We have 2 #1's. I think we take a RT with our first pick rather than go BPA and then RT. Why risk missing the guy you want? Maybe he even wins Staley's spot. But I'd rather we get our guard in the 3rd or 4th round. Like it or not, Baas is here for one more season. We still don't have a dominant passrusher and we're thin at corner. Not to mention Lewis is one concussion away from retirement. Who is his replacement? Our pass defense is in the bottom third of the league.

If we really want to help Smith, then he needs some weapons for the shotgun. We should spend a 2nd on a receiver with some return ability. Walker doesn't do enough and our FA Jones looks like he's made of glass.

I don't have any problem with this. If we don't take Iupati, we can take a guard in the 2nd or 3rd. Despite the thread title I don't care if it is 1st and 2nd or 1 st and 3rd, or if they are dropping in the draft, 1st and 4th. I just want to see the damn line fixed. With good drafting we can be set for a decade. Please.
And Lombardi from NFP points out another reason why the 49ers should go OL/OL:

"Last year, the Chargers had only 155 runs of four yards or more, which placed them 28th in the NFL. (By the way, the worst team was the 49ers, who only had 136 such runs — so much for establishing the run as the foundation of your offense.)"

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Diner-morning-news-Bolts-need-a-big-back.html

No matter what you think of Lombardi, those stats don't lie...the 49ers just totally sucked trying to run the ball and it wasn't because of the backs. It was because the line could not open any holes for the backs to run through.

Draft two stud OL in the first round. Let Solari and Brown coach 'em up. Get the kick-returner in the second round (McCluster).

[ Edited by Yetiman on Feb 17, 2010 at 20:51:45 ]
Originally posted by Yetiman:
And Lombardi from NFP points out another reason why the 49ers should go OL/OL:

"Last year, the Chargers had only 155 runs of four yards or more, which placed them 28th in the NFL. (By the way, the worst team was the 49ers, who only had 136 such runs — so much for establishing the run as the foundation of your offense.)"

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Diner-morning-news-Bolts-need-a-big-back.html

No matter what you think of Lombardi, those stats don't lie...the 49ers just totally sucked trying to run the ball and it wasn't because of the backs. It was because the line could not open any holes for the backs to run through.

Draft two stud OL in the first round. Let Solari and Brown coach 'em up. Get the kick-returner in the second round (McCluster).

I'm totally on this bandwagon.
Agree we need OL...but, you don't need to bypass BPA with your 2nd 1st rounder to achieve that. OT, yes, either #13 or 16/17 pick, depending on how many are gone by Singletary's 1st pick. Coach can get one of the top OG's in either 2nd or 3rd rd...I'm partial to Alabama's Mike Johnson, because of his versatility (played both OG and OT for Saban) and who he played for. That way, Coach can go BPA with either the #13 or 16/17 pick...it's possible a Haden, Spiller type player's still on the board. Unique opportunity to improve the team in multiple ways. With nine total picks (so far), other OL can be taken, as well. BL: you don't need to use both 1st rounders to hit your OL upgrade target.
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Unless you think Baas is absolute garbage there's no need to take an OG early in the draft. Like someone mentioned, we can get a good quality guard with our 2nd/3rd round pick while addressing other needs with our two firsts.
Originally posted by mayo63:
Unless you think Baas is absolute garbage there's no need to take an OG early in the draft. Like someone mentioned, we can get a good quality guard with our 2nd/3rd round pick while addressing other needs with our two firsts.

Powerful argument. Guard in the first, then?



j/k. Sorta
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Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by mayo63:
Unless you think Baas is absolute garbage there's no need to take an OG early in the draft. Like someone mentioned, we can get a good quality guard with our 2nd/3rd round pick while addressing other needs with our two firsts.

Powerful argument. Guard in the first, then?



j/k. Sorta

The only guard I'd take in the first is Iupati and that's only if they think he can play RT and all the other OT's are taken.

[ Edited by mayo63 on Feb 18, 2010 at 07:32:30 ]


And then we shift to STATS, Inc., for numbers on sacks allowed:

Adam Snyder: 9 sacks for 54 yards in 16 games (16 starts).
David Baas: 4 sacks for 26.5 yards in 16 games (16 starts).
Chilo Rachal: 4 sacks for 23 yards in 16 games (15 starts).
Joe Staley: 3 sacks for 18 yards in 9 games (9 starts).
Barry Sims: 2.5 sacks for 7 yards in 9 games (7 starts).
Tony Pashos: 2.5 sacks for 16 yards in 5 games (1 start).
Tony Wragge: 1 sack for 9 yards in limited duty (no starts).
Eric Heitmann: ½ sack for 3.5 yards in 16 games (16 starts).

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Those two bolded players have their replacements ready!

Trent Williams and Mike Iupati please c'mon down!

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
I just think it's important to note that in this last Super Bowl, neither the Colts or the Saints had a 1st round o-lineman as a starter. In fact, I think between the 2 teams, there's was maybe only one 2nd rounder (Saints RT Jon Stinchcomb), and that's about it. The rest of the guys on both teams were 4th-7th rounders, or even free agents.

Some might say, "well yah, because the Colts have Manning and the Saints have Brees as their respective QBs...they can get away with lesser "talent" on the o-line."

Precisely my point.

Until we get a great QB behind center, all this talk about o-lineman, taking 1 or 2 in the first round, we need a RT, an OG, etc., etc., etc., is meaningless. We can have a line full of 1st rounders and still not get anywhere without a great QB.

However, as recent (and our own past) history has shown, you can win a championship with lesser talent across the o-line, if (and only if) you have a great QB.

So go ahead and draft 1st round lineman until you're blue in the face, but don't expect much change...not until we address the most important part of the roster.

Can't disagree with you..if you have a great QB then needing a lot of first round OL is not always necessary, but there are a lot of buts in any equation. The niners could do it before because they had one of the most underrated OL coach in McKittrick. Until our current OL coaches prove they can do that then we need better qulity OL. It won't mean dip$hit if they we get spiller if the line can't protect the QB to get him the ball or open holes. The other part of the equation of the colts, old niners, saints or even vikes and packers is that that the OC is creative and not a bland banana.


I would not mind either Williams, Iupati, and Best (providing his medical is okay) or Williams Spiller and a OG in the second. This is a good pool of talent on paper. so anything can happen.

I think there will be lots of surprises leading up to and on draft day this year. Right now just gotta wait and see what happens at the combine and who trips over exclusively on combine numbers. Also, the big enigma-Al Davis.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
I just think it's important to note that in this last Super Bowl, neither the Colts or the Saints had a 1st round o-lineman as a starter. In fact, I think between the 2 teams, there's was maybe only one 2nd rounder (Saints RT Jon Stinchcomb), and that's about it. The rest of the guys on both teams were 4th-7th rounders, or even free agents.

Some might say, "well yah, because the Colts have Manning and the Saints have Brees as their respective QBs...they can get away with lesser "talent" on the o-line."

Precisely my point.

Until we get a great QB behind center, all this talk about o-lineman, taking 1 or 2 in the first round, we need a RT, an OG, etc., etc., etc., is meaningless. We can have a line full of 1st rounders and still not get anywhere without a great QB.

However, as recent (and our own past) history has shown, you can win a championship with lesser talent across the o-line, if (and only if) you have a great QB.

So go ahead and draft 1st round lineman until you're blue in the face, but don't expect much change...not until we address the most important part of the roster.

i have to disagree with you post yes they haven't used a high pick on OL but if you look at the time manning and brees have its unbelievable. They literally have all the time they want to throw the ball then look at the 49ers games alex has like 3 seconds max im not saying brees and manning are not good or that alex will be like them but to say the o line is dominant because the guy under center is not true at all

and to say we have 0% chance with alex is also untrue every year he has had he has done better and with about 50x less talent than macnabb. I think with an average o line (at least get a RT) he will do much better and lead this team to the playoffs
The 49ers need to address a need they have had for many years now, and that need is on their O-line.

The 49ers just signed Baas to a 1 year tender and should have him as their starter going into the season. However, he is not our longterm solution. The guy is an average player and the 49ers will gain no ground relying on adequate talent to play important roles.

Inside pressure is en vogue right now in the NFL, and the 49ers will most likely be playing against Ndamukong Suh twice a year now. Not to mention our ongoing commitment to the running game and the fact that Chilo took somewhat of a step backwards last season.

All of these factors make OG just as important a need for the 49ers as OT. They'll have a chance to pick Mike Iupati at 17, which is the direction I think they need to take.
I also think OG is a greater need than OT.

I'd be happy with Iupati in the 1st and then an OT in the 2nd or 3rd. All the top tier OTs will most likely be gone by our picks anyways, no need to reach in the 1st round just to get an OT.
I like it when people take my ideas.. I'd take 2 OL in this draft.