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MadDog Big 200 Board- Post Senior Bowl Edition

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by SourdoughDan:
Hey MadDog thanks for all the hardwork!

I'm hearing some experts (namely Mike Mayock) projecting a possible fall for Eric Berry out of the top ten, what are the odds this happens? He is on the smaller side, what would his measurables have to be to push him down to us?

Sorry for being off the board for so long, everyone. I will return back soon.

Eric Berry has zero chance of making it past number 7, unless he decides to break the law in the next few weeks. The Browns at number 7 have tons of needs, but Brodney Pool may not even be in the NFL by the start of 2010, and the team desperately needs a defensive QB. Berry is one of the few elite players in this draft.

Berry is not going to be tall. In fact, I expect him to be around 5'9 1/2", but he's just a terrific back-end defender. We've seen a number of shorter safeties become very successful in the NFL recently, as long as they have speed and good field awareness. Check both statements for Berry.

So, for those crazy mocks that have him falling to us at 13, they just aren't rationally possible.


Unless the Raiders somehow trade and get four picks in the 7 to 12, Al Davis is allowed to watch all the 40s times, and Al makes all the picks.
The 37-67 zone looks full of players we could use, safeties, corners, pass-rushers, OLs. Almost wish we had three 2nds instead of two 1sts, like NE does. I was wondering when you were going to move Alex Carrington up. 54 seems about right to me. I think we'd be interested in him but there are too many other needs. Do you have a guess about our 2nd? Nate Allen?

37 Perrish Cox Oklahoma State CB
38 Brandon Spikes Florida LB
39 Vladimir Ducasse Massachusetts G/OT
40 Dexter McCluster Mississippi RB/WR
41 Donovan Warren* Michigan CB
42 Navorro Bowman* Penn State LB
43 Sean Weatherspoon Missouri LB
44 Tim Tebow Florida QB
45 Jerry Hughes TCU DE
46 Jahvid Best* Cal RB
47 Ryan Matthews* Fresno State RB
48 Devin McCourty Rutgers CB
49 Aaron Hernandez* Florida TE
50 Jacoby Ford Clemson WR
51 Jordan Shipley Texas WR
52 Rob Gronkowski* Arizona TE
53 Damian Williams* USC WR
54 Alex Carrington Arkansas St DE
55 Jonathan Dwyer* Georgia Tech RB
56 Jon Asamoah Illinois G
57 Nate Allen South Florida S
58 Demaryius Thomas* Georgia Tech WR
59 Chad Jones* LSU S
60 Thaddeus Gibson* Ohio State OLB
61 Brandon LaFell LSU WR
62 Patrick Robinson Florida State CB
63 Daryl Washington TCU LB
64 Dominique Franks* Oklahoma CB
65 Reshad Jones* Georgia S
66 Tony Pike Cincinnati QB
67 Morgan Burnett* Georgia Tech S
MD...nice job, man. WRT Iupati, some team may grab him in 1st rd, but I don't think it'll be the Niners. We all know how Mac feels about OG's...so I believe he'll be content to grab top OT available and get his OG maybe in rd 3. That would mean BPA in 1st and maybe CB in 2nd.
Originally posted by rivercity:
The 37-67 zone looks full of players we could use, safeties, corners, pass-rushers, OLs. Almost wish we had three 2nds instead of two 1sts, like NE does. I was wondering when you were going to move Alex Carrington up. 54 seems about right to me. I think we'd be interested in him but there are too many other needs. Do you have a guess about our 2nd? Nate Allen?

37 Perrish Cox Oklahoma State CB
38 Brandon Spikes Florida LB
39 Vladimir Ducasse Massachusetts G/OT
40 Dexter McCluster Mississippi RB/WR
41 Donovan Warren* Michigan CB
42 Navorro Bowman* Penn State LB
43 Sean Weatherspoon Missouri LB
44 Tim Tebow Florida QB
45 Jerry Hughes TCU DE
46 Jahvid Best* Cal RB
47 Ryan Matthews* Fresno State RB
48 Devin McCourty Rutgers CB
49 Aaron Hernandez* Florida TE
50 Jacoby Ford Clemson WR
51 Jordan Shipley Texas WR
52 Rob Gronkowski* Arizona TE
53 Damian Williams* USC WR
54 Alex Carrington Arkansas St DE
55 Jonathan Dwyer* Georgia Tech RB
56 Jon Asamoah Illinois G
57 Nate Allen South Florida S
58 Demaryius Thomas* Georgia Tech WR
59 Chad Jones* LSU S
60 Thaddeus Gibson* Ohio State OLB
61 Brandon LaFell LSU WR
62 Patrick Robinson Florida State CB
63 Daryl Washington TCU LB
64 Dominique Franks* Oklahoma CB
65 Reshad Jones* Georgia S
66 Tony Pike Cincinnati QB
67 Morgan Burnett* Georgia Tech S

I think the Niners will have to take a long look at Nate Allen. He will probably be the best cover safety in this class, and the Niners need as much back end coverage help as possible.
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
MD...nice job, man. WRT Iupati, some team may grab him in 1st rd, but I don't think it'll be the Niners. We all know how Mac feels about OG's...so I believe he'll be content to grab top OT available and get his OG maybe in rd 3. That would mean BPA in 1st and maybe CB in 2nd.

You would hope the Niners are serious about getting their OL together in 2010. That is why I have no problem with using both our first rounders on OL, whether they be on an OT and Iupati or Pouncey.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
With the Senior Bowl a wrap, and almost a full month of little news before the combine begins in late February, I have put up the latest installment of a Big Board, which will cover the first 200 picks. These picks should cover the bulk of the draft, through the sixth round.

Disclaimer for newcomers to the Big Board: This is NOT a mock draft, but a targetted area where I believe the player should fall. In other words, if I feel a player is most likely to be picked in the 14-20 range, my targetted number might be 17th overall.

The Big Board covers the angles for how I believe players will test out at the combine and campus workouts, at post-season bowl games and All-Star games, off the field issues, injury history, the methods and values placed on certain positions, etc. In other words, it is long-range projection.

This is also NOT a ranking of players, how I feel about their ability. This is how I perceive the draft to occur.

Questions, agitations, fury is welcome. I'll be happy to explain my rationale for any player. Any problems with format: Ex: Jimmy Clausen, DT, Western Mississippi, please let me know.

Couple notes: The Senior Bowl caused some major movement on draft boards, including arrows pointing up for Jared Odrick, Dan Williams, Kyle Wilson, Dexter McCluster, Alex Carrington, Geno Atkins and more. At the same time, the Senior Bowl exposed serious problems with certain players at the next level, who may have to change positions. Taylor Mays struggled big time all week, showing problems at FS, and will have to change to SS or LB at the next level. He simply cannot cover WR's in the secondary. At the same time, Tim Tebow also had a challenging time in transitioning to a pro-style offense. You will see him pegged on the board in the general area of the Jags in Round 2.

Final note: I have removed O'Brien Schofield off the Big Board after his ACL injury this week.

Cheers.

*Denotes players who entered with playing eligibility left

2010 NFL Draft 256 Big Board
Pick Player School Position
1 Ndamukong Suh Nebraska DT
2 Gerald McCoy Oklahoma DT
3 Eric Berry* Tennesseee S
4 Russell Okung Oklahoma State OT
5 Jimmy Clausen* Notre Dame QB
6 Sam Bradford* Oklahoma QB
7 Anthony Davis* Rutgers OT
8 Derrick Morgan* Georgia Tech DE
9 Joe Haden* Florida CB
10 Dez Bryant* Oklahoma State WR
11 CJ Spiller Clemson RB
12 Rolando McClain Alabama LB
13 Bryan Bulaga* Iowa OT
14 Trent Williams Oklahoma OT
15 Jared Odrick Penn State DT
16 Bruce Campbell* Maryland OT
17 Mike Iupati Idaho G
18 Jason Pierre-Paul* South Florida DE
19 Brandon Graham Michigan DE/OLB
20 Carlos Dunlap* Florida DE
21 Dan Williams Tennessee DT
22 Arrelious Benn* Illinois WR
23 Sergio Kindle Texas DE
24 Golden Tate* Notre Dame WR
25 Earl Thomas* Texas S/CB
26 Corey Wootton Northwestern DE
27 Brian Price* UCLA DT
28 Charles Brown USC OT
29 Maurkice Pouncey* Florida C
30 Kyle Wilson Boise St CB
31 Jermaine Gresham Oklahoma TE
32 Everson Griffen* USC DE
33 Colt McCoy Texas QB
34 Terrence Cody Alabama DT
35 Taylor Mays USC S
36 Ricky Sapp* Clemson DE
37 Perrish Cox Oklahoma State CB
38 Brandon Spikes Florida LB
39 Vladimir Ducasse Massachusetts G/OT
40 Dexter McCluster Mississippi RB/WR
41 Donovan Warren* Michigan CB
42 Navorro Bowman* Penn State LB
43 Sean Weatherspoon Missouri LB
44 Tim Tebow Florida QB
45 Jerry Hughes TCU DE
46 Jahvid Best* Cal RB
47 Ryan Matthews* Fresno State RB
48 Devin McCourty Rutgers CB
49 Aaron Hernandez* Florida TE
50 Jacoby Ford Clemson WR
51 Jordan Shipley Texas WR
52 Rob Gronkowski* Arizona TE
53 Damian Williams* USC WR
54 Alex Carrington Arkansas St DE
55 Jonathan Dwyer* Georgia Tech RB
56 Jon Asamoah Illinois G
57 Nate Allen South Florida S
58 Demaryius Thomas* Georgia Tech WR
59 Chad Jones* LSU S
60 Thaddeus Gibson* Ohio State OLB
61 Brandon LaFell LSU WR
62 Patrick Robinson Florida State CB
63 Daryl Washington TCU LB
64 Dominique Franks* Oklahoma CB
65 Reshad Jones* Georgia S
66 Tony Pike Cincinnati QB
67 Morgan Burnett* Georgia Tech S
68 Taylor Price Ohio WR
69 Jared Veldheer Hillsdale OT
70 Geno Atkins Georgia DT
71 Kyle Calloway Iowa OT/G
72 Tyson Alualu Cal DT
73 Ed Dickson Oregon TE
74 Mardy Gilyard Cincinnati WR
75 John Jerry Mississippi G/OT
76 Koa Misi Utah DE/OLB
77 Mike Johnson Alabama G
78 Javier Arenas Alabama CB/PR
79 Syd'Quan Thompson Cal CB
80 Rodger Saffold Indiana OT
81 Austen Lane Murray State DE
82 Legarrette Blount Oregon RB
83 Major Wright* Florida S
84 Brandon Ghee Wake Forest CB
85 Amari Spievey* Iowa CB
86 Arthur Jones Syracuse DT
87 Anthony Dixon Mississippi St RB
88 Anthony McCoy USC TE
89 Myron Rolle Florida State S
90 Ben Tate Auburn RB
91 Kareem Jackson* Alabama CB
92 Jerome Murphy South Florida CB
93 Dezmon Briscoe* Kansas WR
94 Greg Hardy Mississippi DE
95 Toby Gerhart* Stanford RB
96 Jeremy Williams Tulane WR
97 Cam Thomas North Carolina DT
98 TJ Ward Oregon S
99 Chris Cook Virginia CB/FS
100 Robert Johnson* Utah S
101 Kam Chancellor Virginia Tech S
102 Mike Neal Purdue DE/DT
103 Jason Fox Miami OT
104 Jevan Snead* Mississippi QB
105 Sean Lee Penn State LB
106 Jonathan Crompton Tennessee QB
107 Donald Butler Washington LB
108 Freddie Barnes Bowling Green WR
109 Jarrett Brown West Virginia QB
110 Jason Worilds* Virginia Tech DE/OLB
111 Joique Bell Wayne State RB
112 Jimmy Graham Miami TE
113 Lamarr Houston Texas DT
114 Ciron Black LSU OT
115 Eric Decker Minnesota WR
116 Devin Ross Arizona CB
117 Matt Tennant Boston College C
118 Montario Hardesty Tennessee RB
119 Rennie Curran* Georgia LB
120 Trindon Holliday LSU WR/KR
121 JD Walton Baylor C
122 Torrell Troup Central Florida DT
123 Antonio Brown* Central Michigan WR
124 Blair White Michigan St WR
125 Andre Roberts Citadel WR
126 Darrell Stuckey Kansas S
127 Jermaine Cunningham Florida DE
128 Doug Worthington Ohio State DT
129 Jeff Owens Georgia DT
130 George Johnson Rutgers DE
131 Dennis Pitta BYU TE
132 Perry Riley LSU LB
133 Joe McKnight USC RB
134 George Selvie South Florida DE
135 Selvish Capers West Virginia OT
136 AJ Edds Iowa LB
137 Zac Robinson Oklahoma State QB
138 Terrell Skinner Maryland S
139 Dekota Watson Florida State LB
140 Willie Young NC State DE/OLB
141 Dan LeFevour Central Michigan QB
142 Brandon Carter Texas Tech G
143 Dorin Dickerson Pittsburgh FB/WR
144 Danny Batten South Dakota St DE
145 Brian Jackson Alabama CB
146 Trevard Lindley Kentucky CB
147 Roddrick Muckelroy Texas LB
148 D'Anthony Smith Louisiana Tech DT
149 Eric Norwood South Carolina DE/OLB
150 Kendrick Lewis Mississippi S
151 Chris Scott Tennessee OT
152 Danario Alexander Missouri WR
153 Larry Asante Nebraska S
154 Marcus Easley UConn WR
155 Carlton Mitchell South Florida WR
156 Brandon Deaderick Alabama DT
157 Riley Cooper Florida WR
158 Alterraun Verner UCLA CB
159 Vince Oghobaase Duke DT
160 Barry Church Toledo S
161 Akwasi Owuso-Ansah Indiana (Pa.) CB
162 Andrew Quarless Penn State TE
163 Joe Webb UAB WR
164 Sean Canfield Oregon State QB
165 Kurt Coleman Ohio State S
166 Mitch Petrus Arkansas G
167 Shay Hodge Mississippi WR
168 Charles Scott LSU RB
169 Brandon Lang Troy DE/OLB
170 Joshua Moore Kansas St CB
171 Micah Johnson Kentucky LB
172 Daryl Sharpton Miami LB
173 Kavell Conner Clemson LB
174 Sergio Render Virginia Tech G
175 Travis Ivey Maryland DT
176 EJ Wilson North Carolina DE
177 Lindsey Witten UConn DE
178 Garrett Graham Wisconsin TE/FB
179 Ed Wang Virginia Tech OT
180 Zane Beadles Utah G
181 Colin Peek Alabama TE
182 Kevin Basped Nevada DE
183 Sam Young Notre Dame OT
184 Tony Moeaki Iowa TE
185 Antonio Coleman Auburn DE
186 Shawn Lauvao Arizona St G
187 Stephan Virgil Virginia Tech CB
188 Sherrick McManis Northwestern CB
189 Pat Angerer Iowa LB
190 Zoltan Mesko Michigan P
191 Cameron Sheffield Troy DE/OLB
192 Eric Olsen Notre Dame C
193 Rahim Allen LSU DE
194 Michael Hoomanawanui Illinois TE
195 Jeff Byers USC C
196 Myron Lewis Vanderbilt CB
197 Harry Coleman LSU S
198 Mike Kafka Northwestern QB
199 Chris Hawkins LSU CB
200 Leigh Tiffin Alabama K

Im surprised to see Tiffin in the top 200
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by rivercity:
The 37-67 zone looks full of players we could use, safeties, corners, pass-rushers, OLs. Almost wish we had three 2nds instead of two 1sts, like NE does. I was wondering when you were going to move Alex Carrington up. 54 seems about right to me. I think we'd be interested in him but there are too many other needs. Do you have a guess about our 2nd? Nate Allen?

37 Perrish Cox Oklahoma State CB
38 Brandon Spikes Florida LB
39 Vladimir Ducasse Massachusetts G/OT
40 Dexter McCluster Mississippi RB/WR
41 Donovan Warren* Michigan CB
42 Navorro Bowman* Penn State LB
43 Sean Weatherspoon Missouri LB
44 Tim Tebow Florida QB
45 Jerry Hughes TCU DE
46 Jahvid Best* Cal RB
47 Ryan Matthews* Fresno State RB
48 Devin McCourty Rutgers CB
49 Aaron Hernandez* Florida TE
50 Jacoby Ford Clemson WR
51 Jordan Shipley Texas WR
52 Rob Gronkowski* Arizona TE
53 Damian Williams* USC WR
54 Alex Carrington Arkansas St DE
55 Jonathan Dwyer* Georgia Tech RB
56 Jon Asamoah Illinois G
57 Nate Allen South Florida S
58 Demaryius Thomas* Georgia Tech WR
59 Chad Jones* LSU S
60 Thaddeus Gibson* Ohio State OLB
61 Brandon LaFell LSU WR
62 Patrick Robinson Florida State CB
63 Daryl Washington TCU LB
64 Dominique Franks* Oklahoma CB
65 Reshad Jones* Georgia S
66 Tony Pike Cincinnati QB
67 Morgan Burnett* Georgia Tech S

I think the Niners will have to take a long look at Nate Allen. He will probably be the best cover safety in this class, and the Niners need as much back end coverage help as possible.

Nate Allen would be a nice addition beside Goldson in the secondary. Maybe we could grab his teammate CB Jerome Murphy later in the draft.
MadDog, can we expect a post-combine update?
Originally posted by jimbagg:
MadDog, can we expect a post-combine update?

Yeah stop slacking, we need our fix
Originally posted by LottOfDefense:
Originally posted by jimbagg:
MadDog, can we expect a post-combine update?

Yeah stop slacking, we need our fix

Patience, grasshopper.

Tomorrow, I promise.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by LottOfDefense:
Originally posted by jimbagg:
MadDog, can we expect a post-combine update?

Yeah stop slacking, we need our fix

Patience, grasshopper.

Tomorrow, I promise.

WTf? Hurry up boy! :)
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by LottOfDefense:
Originally posted by jimbagg:
MadDog, can we expect a post-combine update?

Yeah stop slacking, we need our fix

Patience, grasshopper.

Tomorrow, I promise.

Isn't it tomorrow in Ohio??
MadDog
If Gerhart was not white, he would be in the top 30 picks. Watched him in high school and college, he is a beast. Reverse racism raised it's ugly head. Would not be surprised to see him go in the first round to with SD, NE or Houston. Do not understand how you could have him listed so low even prior to Combine. His agent says his phone is starting to light up. Thanks for the good work. I know the draft is not a science.
Originally posted by SDDAVE:
MadDog
If Gerhart was not white, he would be in the top 30 picks. Watched him in high school and college, he is a beast. Reverse racism raised it's ugly head. Would not be surprised to see him go in the first round to with SD, NE or Houston. Do not understand how you could have him listed so low even prior to Combine. His agent says his phone is starting to light up. Thanks for the good work. I know the draft is not a science.

lol wtf? the guy is slow, what does that gotta do with race? he will be moved to FB in the nfl
My take based on the current board:

R1a Williams OT
R1b Iupati OG
R2 D. McCorty CB/KR
R3 Koa Misi OLB/DE
R4 L. Houston DT
R5 Emanuel Sanders WR
R6 Colin Peek TE
R7 Pat Angerer ILB