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Prospect Watch: Senior Bowl 2010 GameDay Thread

Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
You guys do realize that there is not a lot of stock put into this game from scouts, coaches and GM's. The week of practice is more important.

A couple of ridiculous comments I'm seeing :

-Iupati in the 2nd/No to Iupati

-Graham working himself into the top 10

And FWIW before you go and type up your next mock after this game, Scot looks for OLB's for the 3-4 being at least 6"4 240 lbs. Graham lacks the prototypical height so do not be surprised if we don't take him. His lack of ideal height for a 3-4 OLB is what will likely cause him to go no higher than the 20-30 range overall.


good. I can think of one cat who got drafted later because he was short and led the NFL in sacks this year. Pick him at 17.

That dude was 5"11 IIRC but again Scot said it himself last year that he looks for OLB's to be at least 6"4 so that lack of ideal height should make you think twice when penciling him for us at 16/17.

I think he was making a general rule of thumb comment. It doesn't make all his decisions absolute. Doesn't really matter, no body knows what the niners will do, but I think his play this season and all week warrants hope that he will be drafted by us.
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Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
You guys do realize that there is not a lot of stock put into this game from scouts, coaches and GM's. The week of practice is more important.

A couple of ridiculous comments I'm seeing :

-Iupati in the 2nd/No to Iupati

-Graham working himself into the top 10

And FWIW before you go and type up your next mock after this game, Scot looks for OLB's for the 3-4 being at least 6"4 240 lbs. Graham lacks the prototypical height so do not be surprised if we don't take him. His lack of ideal height for a 3-4 OLB is what will likely cause him to go no higher than the 20-30 range overall.


Mays makes a single interception and all is forgiven. What about the full year of poor play? One play makes it all better?

I never mentioned Mays, and I would not be as forgiving but think he has a lot of potential but not my favorite or even 2nd favorite safety option.
For those who are making up that Scot said "6-4 240 or I won't draft them" -- He did not say that. They PREFER them to be around at least 6-2 240. I highly doubt McCloughlan is going to disqualify Brandon Graham based on his measurables.

If he's into getting the BPA and "Just good football players" as he always says, he'll have Graham high on his board.

Graham, Game MVP and Defensive MVP.

Mardy Gilyard offensive MVP.


Top offensive producers: Gilyard - 5 receptions for 102, 1 TD.
Jeremy Williams - 6 catches for 83 yards, 1 run for 27 yards.
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Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
You guys do realize that there is not a lot of stock put into this game from scouts, coaches and GM's. The week of practice is more important.

A couple of ridiculous comments I'm seeing :

-Iupati in the 2nd/No to Iupati

-Graham working himself into the top 10

And FWIW before you go and type up your next mock after this game, Scot looks for OLB's for the 3-4 being at least 6"4 240 lbs. Graham lacks the prototypical height so do not be surprised if we don't take him. His lack of ideal height for a 3-4 OLB is what will likely cause him to go no higher than the 20-30 range overall.


good. I can think of one cat who got drafted later because he was short and led the NFL in sacks this year. Pick him at 17.

That dude was 5"11 IIRC but again Scot said it himself last year that he looks for OLB's to be at least 6"4 so that lack of ideal height should make you think twice when penciling him for us at 16/17.

I think he was making a general rule of thumb comment. It doesn't make all his decisions absolute. Doesn't really matter, no body knows what the niners will do, but I think his play this season and all week warrants hope that he will be drafted by us.

It is definitely possible we still would take him but I think in this instance he'd have to be good value from Scot's perspective.

I do have to laugh though that after this game Iupati is now out and Graham is in according to some. He's the new flavor of the week. Iupati performance does not drop his stock IMO, he practiced really well all week and that will be far more important to the evaluators in the end.
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
For those who are making up that Scot said "6-4 240 or I won't draft them" -- He did not say that. They PREFER them to be around at least 6-2 240. I highly doubt McCloughlan is going to disqualify Brandon Graham based on his measurables.

If he's into getting the BPA and "Just good football players" as he always says, he'll have Graham high on his board.

Graham, Game MVP and Defensive MVP.

Mardy Gilyard offensive MVP.


Top offensive producers: Gilyard - 5 receptions for 102, 1 TD.
Jeremy Williams - 6 catches for 83 yards, 1 run for 27 yards.

1- Not making it up, it was from MM's blog last year IIRC.

2- I never said he would be disqualified

3- Why not just quote my post if you want to discuss that ?
Originally posted by KRS-1:
You guys do realize that there is not a lot of stock put into this game from scouts, coaches and GM's. The week of practice is more important.

A couple of ridiculous comments I'm seeing :

-Iupati in the 2nd/No to Iupati

-Graham working himself into the top 10

And FWIW before you go and type up your next mock after this game, Scot looks for OLB's for the 3-4 being at least 6"4 240 lbs. Graham lacks the prototypical height so do not be surprised if we don't take him. His lack of ideal height for a 3-4 OLB is what will likely cause him to go no higher than the 20-30 range overall.

Sure. Scouts don't grade on game situations. LOL. That's funny. Graham is a far better prospect than Larry English was and what pick did drafted at? Thanks for YOUR opinion. If Mike Lombardi say's this game helps and hurts your stock I tend to agree with a former GM. Not us wannabe GM's.
[ Edited by 49wyztoscore on Jan 30, 2010 at 4:21 PM ]
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The luster is definetely off of Iupati at least for me after this game.
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Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
For those who are making up that Scot said "6-4 240 or I won't draft them" -- He did not say that. They PREFER them to be around at least 6-2 240. I highly doubt McCloughlan is going to disqualify Brandon Graham based on his measurables.

If he's into getting the BPA and "Just good football players" as he always says, he'll have Graham high on his board.

Graham, Game MVP and Defensive MVP.

Mardy Gilyard offensive MVP.


Top offensive producers: Gilyard - 5 receptions for 102, 1 TD.
Jeremy Williams - 6 catches for 83 yards, 1 run for 27 yards.

1- Not making it up, it was from MM's blog last year IIRC.

2- I never said he would be disqualified

3- Why not just quote my post if you want to discuss that ?

From Maiocco's blog:

Quote:
--My opinion about Aaron Maybin and Everette Brown has not changed. I still do not believe the 49ers would give either of them serious consideration at No. 10. In fact, McCloughan did give a hint about Brown when he said he would want that player to be at least 6-2 and 240 to 260 pounds. Brown checks under 6-foot-2.

http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2009/04/trying-to-read-between-mccloughans-lines.html
Originally posted by KRS-1:
You guys do realize that there is not a lot of stock put into this game from scouts, coaches and GM's. The week of practice is more important.

A couple of ridiculous comments I'm seeing :

-Iupati in the 2nd/No to Iupati

-Graham working himself into the top 10

And FWIW before you go and type up your next mock after this game, Scot looks for OLB's for the 3-4 being at least 6"4 240 lbs. Graham lacks the prototypical height so do not be surprised if we don't take him. His lack of ideal height for a 3-4 OLB is what will likely cause him to go no higher than the 20-30 range overall.


You're acting like Graham just had one game and now he's amazing but he had a very good week of practice, he's very athletic despite being a bit short, and he's been doing this all season in college too. I've always thought of him as a first round pick personally, even when people say no he's a 2nd.
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Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
For those who are making up that Scot said "6-4 240 or I won't draft them" -- He did not say that. They PREFER them to be around at least 6-2 240. I highly doubt McCloughlan is going to disqualify Brandon Graham based on his measurables.

If he's into getting the BPA and "Just good football players" as he always says, he'll have Graham high on his board.

Graham, Game MVP and Defensive MVP.

Mardy Gilyard offensive MVP.


Top offensive producers: Gilyard - 5 receptions for 102, 1 TD.
Jeremy Williams - 6 catches for 83 yards, 1 run for 27 yards.

1- Not making it up, it was from MM's blog last year IIRC.

2- I never said he would be disqualified

3- Why not just quote my post if you want to discuss that ?

I stand corrected he did say 6'2. Just looked it up.
Originally posted by nekst:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
For those who are making up that Scot said "6-4 240 or I won't draft them" -- He did not say that. They PREFER them to be around at least 6-2 240. I highly doubt McCloughlan is going to disqualify Brandon Graham based on his measurables.

If he's into getting the BPA and "Just good football players" as he always says, he'll have Graham high on his board.

Graham, Game MVP and Defensive MVP.

Mardy Gilyard offensive MVP.


Top offensive producers: Gilyard - 5 receptions for 102, 1 TD.
Jeremy Williams - 6 catches for 83 yards, 1 run for 27 yards.

1- Not making it up, it was from MM's blog last year IIRC.

2- I never said he would be disqualified

3- Why not just quote my post if you want to discuss that ?

From Maiocco's blog:

Quote:
--My opinion about Aaron Maybin and Everette Brown has not changed. I still do not believe the 49ers would give either of them serious consideration at No. 10. In fact, McCloughan did give a hint about Brown when he said he would want that player to be at least 6-2 and 240 to 260 pounds. Brown checks under 6-foot-2.

http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2009/04/trying-to-read-between-mccloughans-lines.html

If we pass on Graham because of a half an inch of height we don't deserve to be good next year. Ok if there's a better player. But because of height, that would be ridiculous. Manny is like 6'5'' and look how great Scott's prototypical OLB has done so far
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by nekst:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
For those who are making up that Scot said "6-4 240 or I won't draft them" -- He did not say that. They PREFER them to be around at least 6-2 240. I highly doubt McCloughlan is going to disqualify Brandon Graham based on his measurables.

If he's into getting the BPA and "Just good football players" as he always says, he'll have Graham high on his board.

Graham, Game MVP and Defensive MVP.

Mardy Gilyard offensive MVP.


Top offensive producers: Gilyard - 5 receptions for 102, 1 TD.
Jeremy Williams - 6 catches for 83 yards, 1 run for 27 yards.

1- Not making it up, it was from MM's blog last year IIRC.

2- I never said he would be disqualified

3- Why not just quote my post if you want to discuss that ?

From Maiocco's blog:

Quote:
--My opinion about Aaron Maybin and Everette Brown has not changed. I still do not believe the 49ers would give either of them serious consideration at No. 10. In fact, McCloughan did give a hint about Brown when he said he would want that player to be at least 6-2 and 240 to 260 pounds. Brown checks under 6-foot-2.

http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2009/04/trying-to-read-between-mccloughans-lines.html

If we pass on Graham because of a half an inch of height we don't deserve to be good next year. Ok if there's a better player. But because of height, that would be ridiculous. Manny is like 6'5'' and look how great Scott's prototypical OLB has done so far

I highly doubt that would ever happen.
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Isn't Haralson 6'1"? I don't see a problem here.
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Originally posted by 49wyztoscore:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
You guys do realize that there is not a lot of stock put into this game from scouts, coaches and GM's. The week of practice is more important.

A couple of ridiculous comments I'm seeing :

-Iupati in the 2nd/No to Iupati

-Graham working himself into the top 10

And FWIW before you go and type up your next mock after this game, Scot looks for OLB's for the 3-4 being at least 6"4 240 lbs. Graham lacks the prototypical height so do not be surprised if we don't take him. His lack of ideal height for a 3-4 OLB is what will likely cause him to go no higher than the 20-30 range overall.

Sure. Scouts don't grade on game situations. LOL. That's funny. Graham is a far better prospect than Larry English was and what pick did drafted at? Thanks for YOUR opinion. If Mike Lombardi say's this game helps and hurts your stock I tend to agree with a former GM. Not us wannabe GM's.

This coming from a guy who just projected Graham rising into the top 10 ?

Mayock still thinks he is late first at best. Graham will likely be drafted ahead of where Everette Brown (another highly touted DE and a webzone favorite) was but I don't think his performance from this game or this week solidified him inside the top 20. He is in the 20-30 range IMO.

If this game meant as much as you think it does why is it that majority of the coaches, scouts and GM's who came out this week pack up and go home before the game ? They will still check the tape but playing well in this game is less important than the actual practice sessions from the week.
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Originally posted by mayo63:
Isn't Haralson 6'1"? I don't see a problem here.

And a mid round pick on Nolan's watch.