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Would Taylor Mays really be so bad?

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Originally posted by TX9R:
No he wouldn't be terrible to have on the team. He's just not a 1st round prospect. For a safety to grade that high, he needs to be exceptional in every way, a difference maker, forcing turnovers is huge. You can get S like him in later rounds.

What he said........

The big misconception for Mays supporters is that he is good at tackling since he sucks in coverage. But that's my knock on him, he doesn't tackle well either. He takes alot of bad angles, arm tackles more time than not and never wraps up. I watched every USC that was on TV the past 2 seasons and focused solely on Mays. He disappointed every time. He just seems lazy with all that god given athleticism. He overestimates his abilities far too often which leads him to failure after failure.
I'm not a Taylor Mays fan but I can see why a team would draft him based solely on his physical attributes.

The NFL today is a passing league and the rules have been made to protect QBs and WRs. Defensive backs essentially can't touch WRs after 5 yards, which means that guys like Darrelle Revis are rare breeds.

Offenses have an easier time throwing and catching the ball so DBs must now rely on speed and tackling to defend the pass. They must chase WRs and limit their YAC, because offenses WILL COMPLETE passes.

If a guy can't swat a ball away, well, he sure as hell better hit somebody- and that's essentially Taylor Mays.

Plus, I'd prefer a guy who can also play the run considering that the NFC has big boys like Stephen Jackson and Beanie Wells.

Mark my words, Taylor Mays will go 1st round guaranteed. People of his size and speed don't drop out of the 1st round. He will blow up the combine. I read this quote from one GM last year when he was asked, "Why do some teams value size and speed in the 1st round?" He replied, "The draft is essentially a crapshoot, where most teams will miss on a player than hit on one. If you're likely miss on a player, might as well miss on player who brings something to the table like size and speed."

And I hate to admit it, but McCloughan LOVES the physical atributes like size and speed especially in the 1st round. Look at all of his drafts picks in the 1st round.

I don't think safety is need for us anyway. I like Reggie Smith especially what he did during preseason, and I think they like Curtis Taylor too.
Originally posted by kronik:
The big misconception for Mays supporters is that he is good at tackling since he sucks in coverage. But that's my knock on him, he doesn't tackle well either. He takes alot of bad angles, arm tackles more time than not and never wraps up. I watched every USC that was on TV the past 2 seasons and focused solely on Mays. He disappointed every time. He just seems lazy with all that god given athleticism. He overestimates his abilities far too often which leads him to failure after failure.

Yet he still lead the team in tackles. Take him out of center field, let him play in a little less space, sprinkle a little Singletary coaching and we have a stud on our hands.
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by TX9R:
No he wouldn't be terrible to have on the team. He's just not a 1st round prospect. For a safety to grade that high, he needs to be exceptional in every way, a difference maker, forcing turnovers is huge. You can get S like him in later rounds.

I agree, yet I expect him to be a top 20 pick at least after the combine. The meteoric rise will be similar to V. Davis when he came out. A late first rounder top of second rounder who simply wowed the Combine to the point he was picked sixth by us.

Sure it took four years for him to get to where he is, but we didn't have an OC who used him properly until Raye. Therefore, I can see Mays doing the same.

He did have a very good Soph and Junior season, no? Or did he regress like this year? I remember him being a top pick as a Junior and would have been a top 15 pick. Now, he has a down year, but the skills and physicality are still there.

You guys really don't think he's worth a first, huh? I still see the SS/LB in him, but as a first rounder...his measurables are what are going to propel him into the mid first, IMO.

TX, I agree wholeheartedly about this S class...very deep indeed!

I agree with all but Vernon Davis was at worst a late 1st round pick before the combine and was never projected to be anything but a 1st round pick in ANY publication I read and certainly not by anyone on this site....
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by TX9R:
No he wouldn't be terrible to have on the team. He's just not a 1st round prospect. For a safety to grade that high, he needs to be exceptional in every way, a difference maker, forcing turnovers is huge. You can get S like him in later rounds.

I agree, yet I expect him to be a top 20 pick at least after the combine. The meteoric rise will be similar to V. Davis when he came out. A late first rounder top of second rounder who simply wowed the Combine to the point he was picked sixth by us.

Sure it took four years for him to get to where he is, but we didn't have an OC who used him properly until Raye. Therefore, I can see Mays doing the same.

He did have a very good Soph and Junior season, no? Or did he regress like this year? I remember him being a top pick as a Junior and would have been a top 15 pick. Now, he has a down year, but the skills and physicality are still there.

You guys really don't think he's worth a first, huh? I still see the SS/LB in him, but as a first rounder...his measurables are what are going to propel him into the mid first, IMO.

TX, I agree wholeheartedly about this S class...very deep indeed!

I agree with all but Vernon Davis was at worst a late 1st round pick before the combine and was never projected to be anything but a 1st round pick in ANY publication I read and certainly not by anyone on this site....

I remember he was a fringe 1st at the beginning of that college season and gained momentum after the season ended. As soon as it did, he became at worst a late first rounder as you say.

Still, I see Mays like I do Davis. However, Mays was always considered a top twenty pick no matter what our "Zone" thinks. At least, that is how I remember it.

He will jump back into top 15 conversations after the combine.
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by TX9R:
No he wouldn't be terrible to have on the team. He's just not a 1st round prospect. For a safety to grade that high, he needs to be exceptional in every way, a difference maker, forcing turnovers is huge. You can get S like him in later rounds.

I agree, yet I expect him to be a top 20 pick at least after the combine. The meteoric rise will be similar to V. Davis when he came out. A late first rounder top of second rounder who simply wowed the Combine to the point he was picked sixth by us.

Sure it took four years for him to get to where he is, but we didn't have an OC who used him properly until Raye. Therefore, I can see Mays doing the same.

He did have a very good Soph and Junior season, no? Or did he regress like this year? I remember him being a top pick as a Junior and would have been a top 15 pick. Now, he has a down year, but the skills and physicality are still there.

You guys really don't think he's worth a first, huh? I still see the SS/LB in him, but as a first rounder...his measurables are what are going to propel him into the mid first, IMO.

TX, I agree wholeheartedly about this S class...very deep indeed!

I agree with all but Vernon Davis was at worst a late 1st round pick before the combine and was never projected to be anything but a 1st round pick in ANY publication I read and certainly not by anyone on this site....

I remember he was a fringe 1st at the beginning of that college season and gained momentum after the season ended. As soon as it did, he became at worst a late first rounder as you say.

Still, I see Mays like I do Davis. However, Mays was always considered a top twenty pick no matter what our "Zone" thinks. At least, that is how I remember it.

He will jump back into top 15 conversations after the combine.

That's fine with me. That means that another really good player should fall to the Niners!
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by TX9R:
No he wouldn't be terrible to have on the team. He's just not a 1st round prospect. For a safety to grade that high, he needs to be exceptional in every way, a difference maker, forcing turnovers is huge. You can get S like him in later rounds.

I agree, yet I expect him to be a top 20 pick at least after the combine. The meteoric rise will be similar to V. Davis when he came out. A late first rounder top of second rounder who simply wowed the Combine to the point he was picked sixth by us.

Sure it took four years for him to get to where he is, but we didn't have an OC who used him properly until Raye. Therefore, I can see Mays doing the same.

He did have a very good Soph and Junior season, no? Or did he regress like this year? I remember him being a top pick as a Junior and would have been a top 15 pick. Now, he has a down year, but the skills and physicality are still there.

You guys really don't think he's worth a first, huh? I still see the SS/LB in him, but as a first rounder...his measurables are what are going to propel him into the mid first, IMO.

TX, I agree wholeheartedly about this S class...very deep indeed!

I agree with all but Vernon Davis was at worst a late 1st round pick before the combine and was never projected to be anything but a 1st round pick in ANY publication I read and certainly not by anyone on this site....

I remember he was a fringe 1st at the beginning of that college season and gained momentum after the season ended. As soon as it did, he became at worst a late first rounder as you say.

Still, I see Mays like I do Davis. However, Mays was always considered a top twenty pick no matter what our "Zone" thinks. At least, that is how I remember it.

He will jump back into top 15 conversations after the combine.

I wonder how Mays will look in Silver and Black
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by TX9R:
No he wouldn't be terrible to have on the team. He's just not a 1st round prospect. For a safety to grade that high, he needs to be exceptional in every way, a difference maker, forcing turnovers is huge. You can get S like him in later rounds.

I agree, yet I expect him to be a top 20 pick at least after the combine. The meteoric rise will be similar to V. Davis when he came out. A late first rounder top of second rounder who simply wowed the Combine to the point he was picked sixth by us.

Sure it took four years for him to get to where he is, but we didn't have an OC who used him properly until Raye. Therefore, I can see Mays doing the same.

He did have a very good Soph and Junior season, no? Or did he regress like this year? I remember him being a top pick as a Junior and would have been a top 15 pick. Now, he has a down year, but the skills and physicality are still there.

You guys really don't think he's worth a first, huh? I still see the SS/LB in him, but as a first rounder...his measurables are what are going to propel him into the mid first, IMO.

TX, I agree wholeheartedly about this S class...very deep indeed!

I agree with all but Vernon Davis was at worst a late 1st round pick before the combine and was never projected to be anything but a 1st round pick in ANY publication I read and certainly not by anyone on this site....

I remember he was a fringe 1st at the beginning of that college season and gained momentum after the season ended. As soon as it did, he became at worst a late first rounder as you say.

Still, I see Mays like I do Davis. However, Mays was always considered a top twenty pick no matter what our "Zone" thinks. At least, that is how I remember it.

He will jump back into top 15 conversations after the combine.

I wonder how Mays will look in Silver and Black

He'll fit right in
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Originally posted by znk916:
Ok so his ball skills are pretty much zero, but then again Michael Lewis isn't exactly the greatest ballhawk either. Count me as a believer that Goldson can be our guy at FS for the future, which means we could use someone to take over at SS.

Where is his value now? Mid first late first? 2nd?

The weak link in our defense is pass defense and the weakest part of Mays game is pass defense.

So, I tend to think that yes Mays would be a bad pick.
I would rather trade future 1st round picks and move up and getBerry than risk a first rounder on Mays
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by TX9R:
No he wouldn't be terrible to have on the team. He's just not a 1st round prospect. For a safety to grade that high, he needs to be exceptional in every way, a difference maker, forcing turnovers is huge. You can get S like him in later rounds.

I agree, yet I expect him to be a top 20 pick at least after the combine. The meteoric rise will be similar to V. Davis when he came out. A late first rounder top of second rounder who simply wowed the Combine to the point he was picked sixth by us.

Sure it took four years for him to get to where he is, but we didn't have an OC who used him properly until Raye. Therefore, I can see Mays doing the same.

He did have a very good Soph and Junior season, no? Or did he regress like this year? I remember him being a top pick as a Junior and would have been a top 15 pick. Now, he has a down year, but the skills and physicality are still there.

You guys really don't think he's worth a first, huh? I still see the SS/LB in him, but as a first rounder...his measurables are what are going to propel him into the mid first, IMO.

TX, I agree wholeheartedly about this S class...very deep indeed!

I agree with all but Vernon Davis was at worst a late 1st round pick before the combine and was never projected to be anything but a 1st round pick in ANY publication I read and certainly not by anyone on this site....

I remember he was a fringe 1st at the beginning of that college season and gained momentum after the season ended. As soon as it did, he became at worst a late first rounder as you say.

Still, I see Mays like I do Davis. However, Mays was always considered a top twenty pick no matter what our "Zone" thinks. At least, that is how I remember it.

He will jump back into top 15 conversations after the combine.

Hopefully it wont be us that picks him.
everything he has cant be taught or had easily everything he lacks can be thought that being said he should not start next year if he wants to be an elite player and people you pick in forst round should be starters especially if you didnt make the playoffs so a 2nd pick is the highest i would spend on him
If he's still around in the 2nd it would be interesting cause most people say that he has the talent but just isn't utilizing it, would he be a good project for coach Sing?
Last year, we drafted Curtis Taylor out of LSU. Imposing physically, at 6'2.5". 209, 4.55 forty. Not quite as good as Taylor Mays, certainly a good special teams player. He sounds like Taylor Mays:

POSITIVES: Athletic defensive back who looks the part, yet rarely plays to hit. Imposing in centerfield, flashes on the scene and displays an excellent burst of speed. Moves well laterally, aggressive, and physically beats down opponents. Covers a large amount of area on the field and flashes on the scene, playing with a large degree of suddenness.

NEGATIVES: Inefficient and consistently takes incorrect angles to the action. Slow reacting to the pass, possesses marginal ball skills, and consistently a half step late arriving on the scene in coverage.

ANALYSIS: Taylor is an impressive looking athlete, with the physical skills to play at the next level. His football abilities do not match his reputation, as he's more athlete than player. He offers a good degree of upside, and he could be brought onto a team as an eighth defensive back/special teams player.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2009/draft/players/11809.html#ixzz0dpVyUOjr
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