Scott Wright's Updated Draft 1/22/10

Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:

Originally posted by noobie:
Another mock where Iupati goes at the end of 1st, yet everyone still thinks we need to take him at 16/17 or even 13?!?

You've never heard of a prospect's stock rising before the draft? It happens every year.

Has his stock gone up yet? If it does take him at 16/17, but right now hes stock is in the mid 20s everywhere outside these forums. Only team I see that could take Iupati before mid 20s Pittsburgh. Think Green Bay goes to any tackle that falls or Charles Brown

[ Edited by noobie on Jan 22, 2010 at 15:46:47 ]

Originally posted by noobie:

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by noobie:
Another mock where Iupati goes at the end of 1st, yet everyone still thinks we need to take him at 16/17 or even 13?!?

Do we have another pick at the end of the round? Unless we trade down, 16/17 is the only chance.

ive been a fan of trading down from 13. taking RT at 16/17 and Iupati in the early 20s.

Trading down is a two way street, some team will have to want to trade up.

Trade Gore???? Really????? The solution is to trade Frank Gore for a draft pick.

WOW!!!

Come on people your better than that

Originally posted by 9erred:

Originally posted by Schulzy:
The problem I have with the Spiller pick is that it's a luxury pick. I don't think the 49ers are in the position right now to be taking luxury picks in the 1st round. They are improving talent-wise, but the team still has holes to fill. The biggest holes are OT, OG, S, and CB.

With Gore in the backfield and a 3rd round pick invested in a running back last year in Coffee, it's not a necessity that we take Spiller.

Now, I would not be upset at all with the Spiller pick because he's a speed guy with the ability to return. I just think that building up the OL is something that has not been addressed and needs to be.

Offensive tackle and Iupati is still my ideal first round scenario.

You forgot the huge hole at KR PR that was vacated when they cut Allen Rossum, this one move might have cost the niners a few wins. Spiller can return kicks and punts, AND be a bigger threat as a receiver out of the back field, a runner who can turn the corner, than Gore or Coffee ever will be, Michael Robinson will be the odd RB out, not coffee.

That's fair, but you can find a "return specialist" in later rounds.

We could also fill the returner problem and secondary hole at the same time, as well.

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by 9erred:

Originally posted by Schulzy:
The problem I have with the Spiller pick is that it's a luxury pick. I don't think the 49ers are in the position right now to be taking luxury picks in the 1st round. They are improving talent-wise, but the team still has holes to fill. The biggest holes are OT, OG, S, and CB.

With Gore in the backfield and a 3rd round pick invested in a running back last year in Coffee, it's not a necessity that we take Spiller.

Now, I would not be upset at all with the Spiller pick because he's a speed guy with the ability to return. I just think that building up the OL is something that has not been addressed and needs to be.

Offensive tackle and Iupati is still my ideal first round scenario.

You forgot the huge hole at KR PR that was vacated when they cut Allen Rossum, this one move might have cost the niners a few wins. Spiller can return kicks and punts, AND be a bigger threat as a receiver out of the back field, a runner who can turn the corner, than Gore or Coffee ever will be, Michael Robinson will be the odd RB out, not coffee.

That's fair, but you can find a "return specialist" in later rounds.

We could also fill the returner problem and secondary hole at the same time, as well.

No, it's not fair. Rossum was averaging a whopping 1.5 yard per return more than what we did without him. Cutting him was not a fatal mistake as he wasn't doing all that much for us in the first place.

Originally posted by solidg2000:
Iupati is overrated

let the hate replies begin.

Originally posted by solidg2000:
Iupati is overrated

Either:

1. You've never seen Iupati play

2. Haven't watched him closely enough or

3. Don't know anything about OL play

Iupati is NOT overrated.

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by solidg2000:
Iupati is overrated

Either:

1. You've never seen Iupati play

2. Haven't watched him closely enough or

3. Don't know anything about OL play

Iupati is NOT overrated.

I vote all three of the above.

It's not often that you see an offensive guard big enough and quick enough to play LT. Iupati could probably play every position on the line. People still don't know where to put him though-I think he's a mid first rounder but I've seen lots of people think that he's a 2nd rounder.

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by solidg2000:
Iupati is overrated

Either:

1. You've never seen Iupati play

2. Haven't watched him closely enough or

3. Don't know anything about OL play

Iupati is NOT overrated.

Have seen him play
have watched him play closely
I know about OL play

He should be a 1st round pick
not top 15 IMO I'm perfectly fine with selecting him 16/17
People here want to take him at 13 which is ridiculous
Also once in the NFL be ready for holding calls against Iupati

Originally posted by smileyman:

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by solidg2000:
Iupati is overrated

Either:

1. You've never seen Iupati play

2. Haven't watched him closely enough or

3. Don't know anything about OL play

Iupati is NOT overrated.

I vote all three of the above.

It's not often that you see an offensive guard big enough and quick enough to play LT. Iupati could probably play every position on the line. People still don't know where to put him though-I think he's a mid first rounder but I've seen lots of people think that he's a 2nd rounder.

LT is a stretch
RT i could see

Originally posted by solidg2000:
Iupati is overrated

He might be on this board. He's a Guard at Idaho. If he isn't good enough to play LT at Idaho what makes people think he can play it in the pros?...

These guys on the WZ honestly...LOL. "He can play all 5 positions." If he can do that why didn't he at least play Tackle at Idaho? You put your best and most atletic guys at Tackle. Everybody knows that.

He would be massively overdrafted at #13 & 16/17. He's more of a #28 - #45 value guy. I would pick him there but certainly not in the top 17.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by solidg2000:
Iupati is overrated

He might be on this board. He's a Guard at Idaho. If he isn't good enough to play LT at Idaho what makes people think he can play it in the pros?...

These guys on the WZ honestly...LOL. "He can play all 5 positions." If he can do that why didn't he at least play Tackle at Idaho? You put your best and most atletic guys at Tackle. Everybody knows that.

He would be massively overdrafted at #13 & 16/17. He's more of a #28 - #45 value guy. I would pick him there but certainly not in the top 17.

He will not make it past Pittsburgh at 18, need meets BPA there and he fits their system. That is his floor. If you want one of the best interior linemen to come out in years you take him before that pick.

[ Edited by ChaunceyGardner on Jan 22, 2010 at 20:09:09 ]

Originally posted by Schulzy:
The problem I have with the Spiller pick is that it's a luxury pick. I don't think the 49ers are in the position right now to be taking luxury picks in the 1st round. They are improving talent-wise, but the team still has holes to fill. The biggest holes are OT, OG, S, and CB.

With Gore in the backfield and a 3rd round pick invested in a running back last year in Coffee, it's not a necessity that we take Spiller.

Now, I would not be upset at all with the Spiller pick because he's a speed guy with the ability to return. I just think that building up the OL is something that has not been addressed and needs to be.

Offensive tackle and Iupati is still my ideal first round scenario.

Agreed. Don't waste a high pick on Spiller. I think Jahvid Best is better than Spiller. I would rather get a late 1st or early second for Best. Or just get a WR/PR/KR in rd 3-5.

Im not crazy about Trent Williams, he will really struggled this year. I know he was much better the previous two seasons at RT and is more of a natural RT but there were games where he looked like he just did not show up or want to be out there and that is a big question mark with him (work ethic, desire, toughness, etc). You could argue Singletary could motivate him but you could also argue/worry that once Williams gets a nice big signing bonus, he may get even more lazy and soft. I just don't know about that guys passion.

I like C.J Spiller a lot and I would have no problems if we picked him but I don't think we will.

I hope Bulaga is on the board when we pick and we take him but I could see Buffalo taking him.

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by solidg2000:
Iupati is overrated

He might be on this board. He's a Guard at Idaho. If he isn't good enough to play LT at Idaho what makes people think he can play it in the pros?...

These guys on the WZ honestly...LOL. "He can play all 5 positions." If he can do that why didn't he at least play Tackle at Idaho? You put your best and most atletic guys at Tackle. Everybody knows that.

He would be massively overdrafted at #13 & 16/17. He's more of a #28 - #45 value guy. I would pick him there but certainly not in the top 17.

He will not make it past Pittsburgh at 18, need meets BPA there and he fits their system. That is his floor. If you want one of the best interior linemen to come out in years you take him before that pick.

I don't know that he is that good. He seems more like a straight ahead maller when I've seen him. A bigger David Baas. But I will keep an open mind about how well he works out and tests out. If he is quick and fast and athletic for his size in all the combine stuff perhaps that will prove out his superior athleticism.

In that case I would be ok with OT (1A) and OG (1B) - Iupati. It's not like we don't need that.

However we need a Safety, CB, Speed RB & KR / PR and an additional WR too. So with 2 1st round picks I would probably just let the draft fall and don't panic. If we get the best available OT and S it's not like that is bad. Or if we get the best OT and CB it's not like that is bad. If we get the best available OT + C.J. Spiller that is far from bad for this team as well.

I think the best thing Scot M. can do is don't panic and just let it come to you. We still have holes and there is more than one. Don't trade up and waste all your picks for one guy you fall in love with. One guy can bust or get hurt anyway. If we stay put IMO we have 2 shots to shore up 2 holes. That will be good.

[ Edited by SanDiego49er on Jan 22, 2010 at 20:18:55 ]