a different look at niners draft

im assuming that there will be little accomplished by 49ers in free agency as far as adding new players to fill holes......the niners will concentrate on esigning their own guys, such as abrayuo franklin, barry sims, tony pashos, david baas, and dre bly..

with unrestricted free agency now likely requiring 6 years rather than 4, scratch off names like mankins, merriman, wilfolk, mcneil etc....the players who will be eligible arent going to be all that attractive (mike gandy, chad clifton, casey hampton, etc)

at draft time, if scott mcloughan sticks to his professed claim that you have to take the best player available, then niners may not take an olineman in round one...

especially if there is a run on olineman before niners pick....say okung to chiefs, davis to seahawks, campbell to raiders, bulaga to bills....

do you really spend a 1st rd pick on a rt tackle? is ther much of a difference between trent williams from oklahoma and ciron black of lsu (who i project to niners 3rd rd pick in this mock)....

so what I would like to see happen, but doubt mcloughan would actually do, is

round one (first pick) c.j. spiller, rb clemson......watching this guy is a must to appreciate how good he really is...a complete back, who can run inside, is an excellent receiver (his utube hilites show him getting downfield on a number of plays, as well as taking a short pass in flat and running forever), is tough (utube has one play where he decleats a man downfield blocking for the wr ford) and can return punts and kickoffs

he would add a much needed element of speed and big play capability to niners offense, and give jimmy raye alot of options as far as play calling...

round one (second pick)....golden tate wr notre dame...i will maintain he would make more of an impact on niners offense than iupati, not because iupati isnt a good player, but because tate is a special player....he is a guy who regularly makes big yards after the catch, is tough, football fast (he runs past defenders---no matter what he might time at the combine)...he can return punts....again, you see his work for the past couple of years you see big play after big play....watch the utube vs stanford, one play he catches ball , zig zags accross the field, actually giving up yards, until he gets the angle and cutsit upfield for a score...

spiller & tate could give the niners the type of fire power that the cards and colts have, playmakers that would put pressure on the defense

round two..perrish cox db oklahoma st.....the defense needs some infusion of young draft picks as well, perish cox would be an excellent pick if still on board....in their game vs georgia he did excellent covering bulldog standout wr aj green....also led ncaa in pass breakups w/ 19, showing his cover ability...returns punts...had some atittude problems that could lead to his falling out of round one...if cox is gone, maybe a safety like lsus chad jones or south florida's nate allen would be good picks here...as would cornerback kyle wilson (adding speed to the dbackfield)

round three...ciron black ot lsu...not a great sr year but had good career at lsu...played left tackle, but feet are better suited to rt tackle position

round four...jammie kirlew olb indiana...underrated player who I think could help in pass rush eventually...good production at indiana, has a parys harralson type body

round five....brandon carter texas tech...could upgrade guard position, has kevin gogan like size and temperment, and as some have mentioned handled nebraska's suh very well

round six...greg middleton de indiana....had 16 sacks several yrs ago, play has dropped off since then, but he has the talent to be good at def end in niners 3-4

round seven...michael hoomanawanui te illinois....a 270 lb + te who could help as bigger tight end who could block, something they lacked last year (though as maiocco pointed out, do they really lose much by having wragge serve in the role)

i think this would be a good draft for niners, but I dont really see mcloughan bypassing an olineman in rd 1, taking a wr in rd 1 (even though he may be the BPA)...i also suspect spillet may be a big riser up the boards as the draft nears, cox could be a 1st rd pick and other picks i've suggested may not be on board where i project them)

Im sure many will disagree, andthat is why I dod put reasons and arguments to try to support the picks

I just don't see us expending our 2nd first round pick on another wide receiver, as good as Tate is. After all the hype Raye and Sing gave Morgan, and with very capable backups who have yet to get a decent shot, I think we have greater needs. Would love to have Spiller though.

I don't care how many playmakers we have (i.e. Spiller, Tate), if we do not improve the offensive line WE WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. Period. The right tackle position HAS to be upgraded. I'm not talking about the way it was "upgraded" last year by signing has beens and unproven players, I'm talking about a quality, proven free agent or a first round draft pick. The guard position also needs to be addressed. However, unlike at RT we do not HAVE to use a first rounder or get a high dollar free agent. We have two guards in Baas (if he is resigned) and Rachel who have shown glimpses of very good play, however they have both been incosistent. If we bring someone in as competition to push both of these players for the starting job I think they would greatly improve in terms of consistency. Iupati is going to be a special player and I am for taking him at 17, however I don't think that is a necessity and I wouldn't be pissed off if they took a playmaker instead as long as they use #13 on a RT. We can get a quality guard in the second or third rounds or also through free agency that can push Rachel and Baas.

So with at LEAST one of our two first round picks we HAVE to get a RT. If we don't, we will not make the playoffs. Period. Anyone that has watched the niners this season would know that. With the other first round pick we COULD go for a Spiller, Tate playmaker, but in my opinion if we get Iupati Gore will return to his 2006 form and run for 1,600 yards+ wich is what Singletary and Raye invisioned from the beginning.

Originally posted by Superbowl09:
I don't care how many playmakers we have (i.e. Spiller, Tate), if we do not improve the offensive line WE WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. Period.....

Not sold on Spiller at 13. Maybe 16-17.
No on Tate at 16-17. Not BPA or need area.
I'd take Bulaga buddy Kyle Callaway in 3rd over Black.
But that's what makes draft interesting.

this would be such a stupid draft, let's go ahead and ignore our biggest hole the OL AGAIN in the 1st round, then let's ignore the DB and passrusher spots and draft a RB/WR? thank god your not in charge.

If we had Peyton Manning at QB, Moran Norris would be a threat. Manning makes everyone a threat

Any mock that doesn't spend at least one of our first rounders on an O-Lineman is a bad draft in my opinion.

I am on the use both 1st rounders on the OL bandwagon.. The Jets did it 2 years ago (Ferguson and Mangold) and look where they are.

[ Edited by DaveWilcox on Jan 18, 2010 at 12:49:38 ]

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Any mock that doesn't spend at least one of our first rounders is a bad draft in my opinion.

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He uses both the first rounders! :) I believe you were shooting for Oline that sentence somewhere.

I like 1 of the first rounders on Oline, other BPA. Best of both worlds.

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Any mock that doesn't spend at least one of our first rounders is a bad draft in my opinion.

I am on the use both 1st rounders on the OL bandwagon.. The Jets did it 2 years ago (Ferguson and Mangold) and look where they are.

I understand the argument and acknowledge that it is somewhat convincing, however, it assumes that the only way niners can improve the oline is by using a 1st rd pick on a olineman---this is not necessarily true. If pashos resigns and comes back healthy, maybe he takes the rt tackle spot opposite staley.

Also the argument presumes that an olineman will be available that is worthy of being picked with the 13th or 16th pick. Maybe there wont be!

and the mantality of taking a certain position with a certain pick no matter what, because there is a need at the position, hasnt always worked too well for niners in the past. That led to picks such as israel ifeayni because niners needed a pass rusher, mike rumph and rw mcquarters because niners needed a corner, kwame haris because niners needed a tackle and alex smith because the niners needed a quarterback.

Originally posted by hofer36:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Any mock that doesn't spend at least one of our first rounders is a bad draft in my opinion.

I am on the use both 1st rounders on the OL bandwagon.. The Jets did it 2 years ago (Ferguson and Mangold) and look where they are.

I understand the argument and acknowledge that it is somewhat convincing, however, it assumes that the only way niners can improve the oline is by using a 1st rd pick on a olineman---this is not necessarily true. If pashos resigns and comes back healthy, maybe he takes the rt tackle spot opposite staley.
Also the argument presumes that an olineman will be available that is worthy of being picked with the 13th or 16th pick. Maybe there wont be!

and the mantality of taking a certain position with a certain pick no matter what, because there is a need at the position, hasnt always worked too well for niners in the past. That led to picks such as israel ifeayni because niners needed a pass rusher, mike rumph and rw mcquarters because niners needed a corner, kwame haris because niners needed a tackle and alex smith because the niners needed a quarterback.

But the performance of the o-line cannot bank on IF Pashos resigns and IF he is healthy and IF he performs at a high level and IF Baas resigns and IF Baas and Rachel can stop being so inconsistent and IF a second or third or forth rounder can come in and produce at a high level immediately.
That's a lot of IF's if ya know what I mean. We need to stop saying IF in regards to the O-line and draft two stud O-linemen.
If all of those IF's come true then great, we'll have fantastic depth at all positions in the O-line (which is a necessity in the NFL). But recent history has shown that a great majority of those IF's do not come true (see Smith, Marvell).

[ Edited by Superbowl09 on Jan 18, 2010 at 11:44:38 ]

Like Spiller, but not Tate with the 2nd pick

Originally posted by Nuns:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Any mock that doesn't spend at least one of our first rounders is a bad draft in my opinion.

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He uses both the first rounders! :) I believe you were shooting for Oline that sentence somewhere.

I like 1 of the first rounders on Oline, other BPA. Best of both worlds.

Yes, I was intending to use OL in the first sentence. I was so flabergasted by this mock I couldn't type and think straight..

Thanks for reading my mind!!




I corrected my earlier post.

Originally posted by matt49er:
this would be such a stupid draft, let's go ahead and ignore our biggest hole the OL AGAIN in the 1st round, then let's ignore the DB and passrusher spots and draft a RB/WR? thank god your not in charge.

Originally posted by tohara3:
Like Spiller, but not Tate with the 2nd pick

Mel Kiper's Big Board right now has Spiller #13 and Anthony Davis #18. How about those two? "Playoffs? Did you say P-p-playoffs??!!!"